Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Lamar Odom

Zach Randolph

And Jamal Crawford! The summer of 2011 is going to be awesome for those that still can't get over the fact that Isiah failed here and are reaming Walsh for tearing down his incredibly successful roster! I mean, those players were so good, I can't believe we didn't let them guide us to another 23 to 33 win season! I am just perplexed on how Walsh couldn't turn Isiah's gold into the NBA's elite this past deadline. What a failure!

Summer of 2011, baby, we will extend Eddy Curry and sign Crawford and Randolph to MAX DEALS. Knicks 2011-2012 NBA CHAMPS BABY!

No, wait, I have a better idea, let's keep tearing down the mess that never worked, and when that's complete come July 2010, we can then begin to build a new team.

The best way to get faster wouldve been hiring Mark Jackson and trying to win 15 games for a couple of years ON top of trying to gain cap space. This way we try to find our OWN superstar type talent instead of putting our eggs in one basket.

So the next best thing to do is go get Lamar Odom? I don't get it. Your putting all your eggs in one basket--the Isiah Thomas Starphuck basket.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by EwingsGlass:

1) Does this really need a new thread?
2) If you take out James and Wade there really aren't any "superstars" in the 2010 class. That's like saying "what's 1 + 1--and don't say two... Rating the top 5 players in the NBA, you have some combination of Bryant/James/Paul/Wade/Howard. I think to win a championship within the next 5 years, you either need one of these guys and at least a second all star like Pau Gasol, or you need three all-stars (like the Celtics). Anything less will not make the conference finals. Bosh, Johnson, Stoudemire are all good secondary all-stars, but I don't think a combination of two of those players wins a championship without a third all-star caliber player. Say what you will, I think you have to disregard the statements these players are making to the media about staying vs. going... it would be stupid to say you are going when there are still 16 months left on your contract. NY might as well swing for the fences and try to get both James and Wade. After that, you can fill in the roster with vets and be fine. You think Odom would play for the MLE? I think he (or some other all star caliber player) is more likely to do that if you have at least one top 5 player on the team already.
3) Betting on the draft doesn't really provide winners. Of the teams that have rebuilt through the draft, most have needed the #1 draft pick to succeed. If you are talking pipe dreams, I think it is more of a pipe dream to think that some draft pick will randomly turn the franchise around. Maybe James, Wade or some other combination don't come here... if they don't it will be a disappointment, but given the possibility of both James and Wade here in NY, you have to give that your best shot... Lee and Robinson aren't going to win it all, even if you add Lamar Odom and Hasheem Thabeet and Jeff Teague.

All of the younger superstars in the league were pretty much drafted by their teams they are still with.


We try to hard to be mediocre--and the times we had legit chances to get a big time player--we blew it.

Swinging for the fences is one thing--dealing with reality is another. You really think Dwyane Wade is going to leave South Beach where he gets paid more money--has a beautiful home to come to NY? Sorry dude that isnt swing for the fences that living on a prayer. Thats how you want to do business?

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by franco12:

The Magic superstar is Dwight Howard.

LOL

Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by EwingsGlass:

1) Does this really need a new thread?
2) If you take out James and Wade there really aren't any "superstars" in the 2010 class. That's like saying "what's 1 + 1--and don't say two... Rating the top 5 players in the NBA, you have some combination of Bryant/James/Paul/Wade/Howard. I think to win a championship within the next 5 years, you either need one of these guys and at least a second all star like Pau Gasol, or you need three all-stars (like the Celtics). Anything less will not make the conference finals. Bosh, Johnson, Stoudemire are all good secondary all-stars, but I don't think a combination of two of those players wins a championship without a third all-star caliber player. Say what you will, I think you have to disregard the statements these players are making to the media about staying vs. going... it would be stupid to say you are going when there are still 16 months left on your contract. NY might as well swing for the fences and try to get both James and Wade. After that, you can fill in the roster with vets and be fine. You think Odom would play for the MLE? I think he (or some other all star caliber player) is more likely to do that if you have at least one top 5 player on the team already.
3) Betting on the draft doesn't really provide winners. Of the teams that have rebuilt through the draft, most have needed the #1 draft pick to succeed. If you are talking pipe dreams, I think it is more of a pipe dream to think that some draft pick will randomly turn the franchise around. Maybe James, Wade or some other combination don't come here... if they don't it will be a disappointment, but given the possibility of both James and Wade here in NY, you have to give that your best shot... Lee and Robinson aren't going to win it all, even if you add Lamar Odom and Hasheem Thabeet and Jeff Teague.

All of the younger superstars in the league were pretty much drafted by their teams they are still with.


We try to hard to be mediocre--and the times we had legit chances to get a big time player--we blew it.

Swinging for the fences is one thing--dealing with reality is another. You really think Dwyane Wade is going to leave South Beach where he gets paid more money--has a beautiful home to come to NY? Sorry dude that isnt swing for the fences that living on a prayer. Thats how you want to do business?

Name some young superstars that have won championships? Name some young superstars that were drafted after the 11th pick overall (or without a draft pick)? Now, name some players that were drafted in the top 10 that can't even break the starting lineup on their squads?

It is just as crazy to think that we will draft a player that will win us a championship as thinking that either or both of James and Wade come to NY in 2010 and win us a championship. But to the extent I can't get James and/or Wade, I want the Knicks to be in a position to get two or three all-stars.

Finally, your crazy statement that Odom will sign in NY for the MLE is even worse than thinking that James or Wade will sign here for the max.

Posted by Anji:

I believe if knicks missed out on LBJ/Wade and Bosh because he went to play with one of the two, I believe the knicks could still make a contender.

I posted this a while back, but if the knicks had a team that was basically:

Amare(16)/
Odom(13)/Gallo(3)
chandler(2)/
Joe Johnson(16)/Nate(6)
XXX/

I would go to war with that team. I would Draft a point guard and fill in the rest, extremely balanced and Pistons like. I don't care much about Lee, Duhon, and Harrington.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by EwingsGlass:

1) Does this really need a new thread?
2) If you take out James and Wade there really aren't any "superstars" in the 2010 class. That's like saying "what's 1 + 1--and don't say two... Rating the top 5 players in the NBA, you have some combination of Bryant/James/Paul/Wade/Howard. I think to win a championship within the next 5 years, you either need one of these guys and at least a second all star like Pau Gasol, or you need three all-stars (like the Celtics). Anything less will not make the conference finals. Bosh, Johnson, Stoudemire are all good secondary all-stars, but I don't think a combination of two of those players wins a championship without a third all-star caliber player. Say what you will, I think you have to disregard the statements these players are making to the media about staying vs. going... it would be stupid to say you are going when there are still 16 months left on your contract. NY might as well swing for the fences and try to get both James and Wade. After that, you can fill in the roster with vets and be fine. You think Odom would play for the MLE? I think he (or some other all star caliber player) is more likely to do that if you have at least one top 5 player on the team already.
3) Betting on the draft doesn't really provide winners. Of the teams that have rebuilt through the draft, most have needed the #1 draft pick to succeed. If you are talking pipe dreams, I think it is more of a pipe dream to think that some draft pick will randomly turn the franchise around. Maybe James, Wade or some other combination don't come here... if they don't it will be a disappointment, but given the possibility of both James and Wade here in NY, you have to give that your best shot... Lee and Robinson aren't going to win it all, even if you add Lamar Odom and Hasheem Thabeet and Jeff Teague.

All of the younger superstars in the league were pretty much drafted by their teams they are still with.


We try to hard to be mediocre--and the times we had legit chances to get a big time player--we blew it.

Swinging for the fences is one thing--dealing with reality is another. You really think Dwyane Wade is going to leave South Beach where he gets paid more money--has a beautiful home to come to NY? Sorry dude that isnt swing for the fences that living on a prayer. Thats how you want to do business?

Name some young superstars that have won championships? Name some young superstars that were drafted after the 11th pick overall (or without a draft pick)? Now, name some players that were drafted in the top 10 that can't even break the starting lineup on their squads?

It is just as crazy to think that we will draft a player that will win us a championship as thinking that either or both of James and Wade come to NY in 2010 and win us a championship. But to the extent I can't get James and/or Wade, I want the Knicks to be in a position to get two or three all-stars.

Finally, your crazy statement that Odom will sign in NY for the MLE is even worse than thinking that James or Wade will sign here for the max.

The Knicks couldve taken Andrew Bynum--If we had him we would have a champiosnhip caliber type talent we couldve built around. We chose to take French Frye--we chose to give our draft picks away when it was unnecessary to get Curry when the Bulls were trying to get him to retire. We could have Branden Roy on the Knicks. We drafted terrible again. We drafted a pure project player with no athletic ability.

I like the way the Blazers have fairly quickly rebuilt. While we were F with Eddie Curry they took their lumps and now sit in a desired position. No one can guarantee a championship --the only thing you can do is get players who help you contend for one.

Our inability to execute in the draft has set the franchise back years.

Also if you think Lamar Odom is getting more than the MLE--name the team thats going to pay him since I answered your question. Mimai drafted Dwayne Wade==championship at 23 years old

Miami drafted Wade but traded for Shaq. They got Gary Payton and Alonzo Mourning on Vet minimum contracts. They had White Chocolate and Antoine Walker also. Wade was the series MVP and was a excellent draft pick, but that team didn't win a championship through the draft.

You can cite Portland as the positive rebuild, but they haven't won anything either. Basically you are lamenting the Curry trade, which everyone agrees stunk. But to think that Bynum would have been the savior is a myth. The Lakers are better without Bynum.

It would be great to draft a Tim Duncan or a Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade. But when the Knicks make a pick based on fundamental ability with the hope they will add strength, like Frye or Gallo, they get destroyed based on their lack of athleticism. When they draft based on athleticism, NY doesn't have the patience to see the player develop fundamental skills (See Trevor Ariza). You don't get players with both athleticism and fundamental skills at the #8 pick.

Now, as for Odom? Who is going to sign him? 80% chance on the Lakers paying him. Otherwise, Memphis or Oklahoma. Or a sign and trade. He will not need to take anything less than say, Antawn Jamison, to play next year.

What should be a greater concern is the fact that Miami's payroll for 2010 is at 17M guaranteed, without counting team options on Cook, Chalmers, Jones and Beasley-- another $9M or so. They can give James 18m and still have $16 to $20m to sign FAs. If that happens, you can kiss a NY title goodbye for at least 7 more years. If only for defensive reasons, we need to be in a position to stop Miami from getting Lebron too. We need to have comparable cap space and we need to get some cheap players to make NY's offer translate into a potential championship.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Anji:

I believe if knicks missed out on LBJ/Wade and Bosh because he went to play with one of the two, I believe the knicks could still make a contender.

I posted this a while back, but if the knicks had a team that was basically:

Amare(16)/
Odom(13)/Gallo(3)
chandler(2)/
Joe Johnson(16)/Nate(6)
XXX/

I would go to war with that team. I would Draft a point guard and fill in the rest, extremely balanced and Pistons like. I don't care much about Lee, Duhon, and Harrington.

Two questions:
What are the #s in parentheses?
Can we really sign Lamar and re-sign Nate and ALSO sign two max contract FAs?

Posted by BRIGGS:


Phil Jackson just said yesterday the Lakers are better overall with Bynum. Bynum IS a player you can build around--he has the kind of ability to help get a team far in the playoffs. It's a shame he's been hurt twice just as he was showing what he really has. He has a very attractive package with his ability to be able to score a lot of points grab a lot of rebounds and effect a game defensively. That is the rarest bird in the NBA right now.
Most Laker fans do not think they can sign Odom. S+T is likely out because you still have to take back the cash. The odds of him going to Memphis or OKC---less than 10% imho. David Lee has a much better chance of going to Memphis than Odom and OKL is building through the draft. They don't need Odom. There is a simple equation with some of these ball players. the economy has changed and there is very little cap space in 2009. there will be really good players taking less OR facing what Bonzi Well got-- refusing an offer of 40mm and now playing in China. The only way the Lakers could keep Odom is IF Kobe opts out and takes much less. He doesnt strike me as that type as much as he wants to win. I wouldnt take 7mm less--barely anyone would.