Posted by Vmart:

Posted by VDesai:

I think the Knicks keep Lee and Nate. If they can get a quality big in this draft, develop Gallo and Chandler and add someone who can be a primary scorer and score in crunch time that will be the makings of something. I think they'll have the money to get at least one of Lebron or Wade, but even if they don't get him, adding someone like Joe Johnson who can score and score in crunch time that would be fairly significant.

There isn't much developing going on here anymore. Chandler and Gallo seem to be after thoughts. They should be getting heavy minutes since they are out of the playoff picture.

Right or wrong....until the team is mathematically eliminated you won't see Mike D pack it in. Just not going to happen.

Anyone can say that we need to go 16-8 (or whatever it is, I lost track, I've been missing games) to make the playoffs - and this team can't do that. Yet, they're not going to stop trying until we're officially eliminated - and being what 3 games out - that won't happen until April.

Besides, if we have any chance to move some veterans again this summer, they HAVE TO PLAY and HAVE TO LOOK GOOD right until the end.

You bench Jeffries and Harrington for the rest of the year where is their value come summer? A lot lower than it'd be if they keep playing and keep putting up stats.

So there's two games going on here at once. We're not eliminated and Mike doesn't want a losing atmosphere of "Oh well, we tried, it's over, pack it in." AND we need to keep showcasing some of these guys so we can dump them for more rebuilding assets!

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by islesfan:

For all those who question why Lee and Nate might have to be sacrificed in the Knicks pursuit for max free agents, tonight's game should put those questions to rest. Lee and Nate put up nice numbers but Wade basically took a **** all over the Knicks as he basically won the game singlehandedly.

You can be competitive with players like Lee and Nate but you can't expect to be more than that without a real franchise player.

Wade single handedly scored 50 the other night and got his ass packed in. So where's your theory now?

Yes, let's dump on Lee and Nate. Good idea.

It's not like we're rebuilding or anything. It's not like we're spending the last six months and the next 18 months tearing down Isiah's garbage so that in the summer of 2010 we can actually BEGIN to build the new team. It's not like we acquired shorter term deals already for his trash - also looking to purge those players off the team the summer of 2010.

Unfortunately, in the minds of some, and some of those hoping it's true, Walsh acquired Harrington and Hughes to take us to the finals this June and now that it hasn't happened they feel they are free to trash the entire team and a future they can't even begin to understand. Yep, let's dwell on a torn up roster falling out of a playoff race in early March as if it was put together to take the league by storm. I guess it makes it easier for people to **** all over nothing. Some people need a new hobby....

why do people always interpret these kinds of posts to the extremes? where is isles dumping on Lee & Nate here? he's simply saying u gotta be realistic about the upside potential of a team whose best players are Lee & Nate... he's using last night's game to say that we need upgrades if we wanna compete w/teams who have legit superstar players like Wade, Lebron, etc... do u disagree?

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by islesfan:

For all those who question why Lee and Nate might have to be sacrificed in the Knicks pursuit for max free agents, tonight's game should put those questions to rest. Lee and Nate put up nice numbers but Wade basically took a **** all over the Knicks as he basically won the game singlehandedly.

You can be competitive with players like Lee and Nate but you can't expect to be more than that without a real franchise player.

Wade single handedly scored 50 the other night and got his ass packed in. So where's your theory now?

Yes, let's dump on Lee and Nate. Good idea.

It's not like we're rebuilding or anything. It's not like we're spending the last six months and the next 18 months tearing down Isiah's garbage so that in the summer of 2010 we can actually BEGIN to build the new team. It's not like we acquired shorter term deals already for his trash - also looking to purge those players off the team the summer of 2010.

Unfortunately, in the minds of some, and some of those hoping it's true, Walsh acquired Harrington and Hughes to take us to the finals this June and now that it hasn't happened they feel they are free to trash the entire team and a future they can't even begin to understand. Yep, let's dwell on a torn up roster falling out of a playoff race in early March as if it was put together to take the league by storm. I guess it makes it easier for people to **** all over nothing. Some people need a new hobby....

why do people always interpret these kinds of posts to the extremes? where is isles dumping on Lee & Nate here? he's simply saying u gotta be realistic about the upside potential of a team whose best players are Lee & Nate... he's using last night's game to say that we need upgrades if we wanna compete w/teams who have legit superstar players like Wade, Lebron, etc... do u disagree?

If you find objectivity and sincerity in Isles' posts more power to you TMS. Isles lives to trash this team either directly or in a veiled way. He thrives on our poor play and mistakes so he can pipe up and remind us all he said nothing would ever work and every player here stinks. Good for his little hobby but I'm tired of reading it and I'm tired of seeing people melt down all over the place acting as if Walsh built today's present roster to contend for a title and then lambaste it for not producing.

So I went a little off today and a little over board.

I don't think my comments are unfounded given a number of things I've seen written the past week or so regarding this team, it's present losing, and it's potential future. Many ridiculously negative and narrow minded comments that almost seem to have a hidden hope that the team ultimately fails so they can step on a soapbox and proclaim they "told you so" months in advance.

Just tired of it so I let loose.

I'm also tired of this team so I'm no longer making it a priority to catch games or talk about the games. What's the point there's not much going on until the season comes to a close now. So you'll be spared my rants and 'unfair' targeting of Isles and other fans' negative narrow minded posts filled with ulterior motives.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by islesfan:

For all those who question why Lee and Nate might have to be sacrificed in the Knicks pursuit for max free agents, tonight's game should put those questions to rest. Lee and Nate put up nice numbers but Wade basically took a **** all over the Knicks as he basically won the game singlehandedly.

You can be competitive with players like Lee and Nate but you can't expect to be more than that without a real franchise player.

Wade single handedly scored 50 the other night and got his ass packed in. So where's your theory now?

Yes, let's dump on Lee and Nate. Good idea.

It's not like we're rebuilding or anything. It's not like we're spending the last six months and the next 18 months tearing down Isiah's garbage so that in the summer of 2010 we can actually BEGIN to build the new team. It's not like we acquired shorter term deals already for his trash - also looking to purge those players off the team the summer of 2010.

Unfortunately, in the minds of some, and some of those hoping it's true, Walsh acquired Harrington and Hughes to take us to the finals this June and now that it hasn't happened they feel they are free to trash the entire team and a future they can't even begin to understand. Yep, let's dwell on a torn up roster falling out of a playoff race in early March as if it was put together to take the league by storm. I guess it makes it easier for people to **** all over nothing. Some people need a new hobby....

why do people always interpret these kinds of posts to the extremes? where is isles dumping on Lee & Nate here? he's simply saying u gotta be realistic about the upside potential of a team whose best players are Lee & Nate... he's using last night's game to say that we need upgrades if we wanna compete w/teams who have legit superstar players like Wade, Lebron, etc... do u disagree?

Posted by TMS:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by islesfan:

For all those who question why Lee and Nate might have to be sacrificed in the Knicks pursuit for max free agents, tonight's game should put those questions to rest. Lee and Nate put up nice numbers but Wade basically took a **** all over the Knicks as he basically won the game singlehandedly.

You can be competitive with players like Lee and Nate but you can't expect to be more than that without a real franchise player.

Wade single handedly scored 50 the other night and got his ass packed in. So where's your theory now?

Yes, let's dump on Lee and Nate. Good idea.

It's not like we're rebuilding or anything. It's not like we're spending the last six months and the next 18 months tearing down Isiah's garbage so that in the summer of 2010 we can actually BEGIN to build the new team. It's not like we acquired shorter term deals already for his trash - also looking to purge those players off the team the summer of 2010.

Unfortunately, in the minds of some, and some of those hoping it's true, Walsh acquired Harrington and Hughes to take us to the finals this June and now that it hasn't happened they feel they are free to trash the entire team and a future they can't even begin to understand. Yep, let's dwell on a torn up roster falling out of a playoff race in early March as if it was put together to take the league by storm. I guess it makes it easier for people to **** all over nothing. Some people need a new hobby....

why do people always interpret these kinds of posts to the extremes? where is isles dumping on Lee & Nate here? he's simply saying u gotta be realistic about the upside potential of a team whose best players are Lee & Nate... he's using last night's game to say that we need upgrades if we wanna compete w/teams who have legit superstar players like Wade, Lebron, etc... do u disagree?

TMS I understand that, but what does lee and nate have to do with him scoring 24pts in the 4th quarter?

Kobe dropped 81 on the raptors.. wasn't bosh playing that game as well? And yet he is on every knick fan radar is seems... We are just not a good team, and lee and nate are really the least problems here...


[Edited by - tkf on 02-03-2009 12:10 PM]

i don't think the point was to say that because of Lee & Nate, D Wade went off on us... the point was that we won't get far until we get a star calibre player like Wade who can take over a game when he has to the way he did the other night... Lee & Nate are good young players but as long as they're our best 2 players we aren't ever going to be a serious contender in the NBA.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by TMS:


i don't think the point was to say that because of Lee & Nate, D Wade went off on us... the point was that we won't get far until we get a star calibre player like Wade who can take over a game when he has to the way he did the other night... Lee & Nate are good young players but as long as they're our best 2 players we aren't ever going to be a serious contender in the NBA.

Only Briggs would start a thread to say so little. This was Isles, you can bet it was loaded.

You guys give me way too much credit. TMS broke it down exactly as I meant it.

Its funny, I can say something completely benign and I'll end up getting into an argument with an ignoramus who mistakingly reads something underhanded in my completely innocent posts.

Its tough being islesfan sometimes.

Posted by islesfan:

You guys give me way too much credit. TMS broke it down exactly as I meant it.

Its funny, I can say something completely benign and I'll end up getting into an argument with an ignoramus who mistakingly reads something underhanded in my completely innocent posts.

Its tough being islesfan sometimes.

Posted by islesfan:

For all those who question why Lee and Nate might have to be sacrificed in the Knicks pursuit for max free agents, tonight's game should put those questions to rest. Lee and Nate put up nice numbers but Wade basically took a **** all over the Knicks as he basically won the game singlehandedly.

You can be competitive with players like Lee and Nate but you can't expect to be more than that without a real franchise player.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by islesfan:

For all those who question why Lee and Nate might have to be sacrificed in the Knicks pursuit for max free agents, tonight's game should put those questions to rest. Lee and Nate put up nice numbers but Wade basically took a **** all over the Knicks as he basically won the game singlehandedly.

You can be competitive with players like Lee and Nate but you can't expect to be more than that without a real franchise player.

I don't know --it certainly would be nice to have a franchise player but the last version of the championship Pistons did not--they would just punish you for what Wade did.

By the way looking back at NBA history--the attempts to bring in *multiple* all star type players via Free agency has been a big time failure.