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2/26/2009  10:29 PM
Funny you bring this up, I was looking at possible trades with Charlotte involving Lee at his projected new salary this afternoon. Bell would be a great pick up. Bell/Diaw for Lee/Jeffries would also be a nice swap for us.

[Edited by - Rookie on 02-26-2009 10:40 PM]
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2/26/2009  10:31 PM
NOPE! He is not my type.
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2/26/2009  10:32 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Brown covets Lee, so I wouldn't be surprise if they try to get him.

I think that Pendegraph is the David Lee of this draft. No one looking at him because he's a senior who plays second fiddle bu he has a lot of similarities to Lee. I think the bottom line is they are fixated on 2010 and I would rather get nice assets than nothing. We would be restructuring the team for the short and long term while keeping the cap flexibility they covet. As for Mullens--i don't take people who call Jerome Jordan a really good player and BJ Mullens a bust in the making to seriously.

Yeah I know you don't take 24 points 13 and 4 blocks seriously. That is what Jerome Jordan put up in his last game. BJ Mullens is a highly sought after recruit he should be dominating play. He should stay a year or two if he knows what is good for him he isn't NBA ready especially if you are drafting that high up.
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2/26/2009  10:50 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Brown covets Lee, so I wouldn't be surprise if they try to get him.

I think that Pendegraph is the David Lee of this draft. No one looking at him because he's a senior who plays second fiddle bu he has a lot of similarities to Lee. I think the bottom line is they are fixated on 2010 and I would rather get nice assets than nothing. We would be restructuring the team for the short and long term while keeping the cap flexibility they covet. As for Mullens--i don't take people who call Jerome Jordan a really good player and BJ Mullens a bust in the making to seriously.

Yeah I know you don't take 24 points 13 and 4 blocks seriously. That is what Jerome Jordan put up in his last game. BJ Mullens is a highly sought after recruit he should be dominating play. He should stay a year or two if he knows what is good for him he isn't NBA ready especially if you are drafting that high up.

I don't think Jordan is a bad player--but he is a plodder. Take a hard look at his build. But he could still be a pretty good NBA player and some team late in the first round with the right system--maybe a SA could get lucky. Mullens is a different level athlete. When he hits peak level of body and game--he's going to be a scary proposition. That is the type of player I look for. He doesnt have to dominate year 1 in college--he has to show glimpses of what he can do. When his mind and body advance--that's when you will see what he is. That is also the only reason why we could possibly draft him around 10.
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2/26/2009  10:57 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Brown covets Lee, so I wouldn't be surprise if they try to get him.

I think that Pendegraph is the David Lee of this draft. No one looking at him because he's a senior who plays second fiddle bu he has a lot of similarities to Lee. I think the bottom line is they are fixated on 2010 and I would rather get nice assets than nothing. We would be restructuring the team for the short and long term while keeping the cap flexibility they covet. As for Mullens--i don't take people who call Jerome Jordan a really good player and BJ Mullens a bust in the making to seriously.

Yeah I know you don't take 24 points 13 and 4 blocks seriously. That is what Jerome Jordan put up in his last game. BJ Mullens is a highly sought after recruit he should be dominating play. He should stay a year or two if he knows what is good for him he isn't NBA ready especially if you are drafting that high up.

I don't think Jordan is a bad player--but he is a plodder. Take a hard look at his build. But he could still be a pretty good NBA player and some team late in the first round with the right system--maybe a SA could get lucky. Mullens is a different level athlete. When he hits peak level of body and game--he's going to be a scary proposition. That is the type of player I look for. He doesnt have to dominate year 1 in college--he has to show glimpses of what he can do. When his mind and body advance--that's when you will see what he is. That is also the only reason why we could possibly draft him around 10.

As long as the Knicks fill a need I got no problems with picking Mullens. He has soild foot work and what is impressive about him is the combination of size and weight and still hold down his footwork. With that said I don't think he gets past the T-Wolves pick especially if McHale is around. With Al Jefferson suffering a knee injury I can see T-Wolves taking him.

As for Jerome Jordan being a plodder he isn't I don't know many plodders that block shots at the rate he does. Besides I see him as a solid pick after 15.

[Edited by - Vmart on 02-26-2009 10:59 PM]

[Edited by - Vmart on 02-26-2009 11:00 PM]
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2/26/2009  11:07 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Brown covets Lee, so I wouldn't be surprise if they try to get him.

I think that Pendegraph is the David Lee of this draft. No one looking at him because he's a senior who plays second fiddle bu he has a lot of similarities to Lee. I think the bottom line is they are fixated on 2010 and I would rather get nice assets than nothing. We would be restructuring the team for the short and long term while keeping the cap flexibility they covet. As for Mullens--i don't take people who call Jerome Jordan a really good player and BJ Mullens a bust in the making to seriously.

Yeah I know you don't take 24 points 13 and 4 blocks seriously. That is what Jerome Jordan put up in his last game. BJ Mullens is a highly sought after recruit he should be dominating play. He should stay a year or two if he knows what is good for him he isn't NBA ready especially if you are drafting that high up.

I don't think Jordan is a bad player--but he is a plodder. Take a hard look at his build. But he could still be a pretty good NBA player and some team late in the first round with the right system--maybe a SA could get lucky. Mullens is a different level athlete. When he hits peak level of body and game--he's going to be a scary proposition. That is the type of player I look for. He doesnt have to dominate year 1 in college--he has to show glimpses of what he can do. When his mind and body advance--that's when you will see what he is. That is also the only reason why we could possibly draft him around 10.

As long as the Knicks fill a need I got no problems with picking Mullens. He has soild foot work and what is impressive about him is the combination of size and weight and still hold down his footwork. With that said I don't think he gets past the T-Wolves pick especially if McHale is around. With Al Jefferson suffering a knee injury I can see T-Wolves taking him.

As for Jerome Jordan being a plodder he isn't I don't know many plodders that block shots at the rate he does.

[Edited by - Vmart on 02-26-2009 10:59 PM]

I think you will end up being right--the only thing that could change that is if teams start looking for absolute now players--teams where the GM needs the player to be good right away. You can play Mullens 10-15 minutes off the bench but he is a one to two year wait. Perfect for the Knicks:)
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2/26/2009  11:10 PM
just the tip
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2/26/2009  11:19 PM
No. I'm not a big Raja Bell fan and I think we can get a higher draft pick. The Grizzlies offered up the 5th pick last year, so I wouldn't go lower than that.
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2/26/2009  11:43 PM
Posted by MattSuspect:

just the tip

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2/27/2009  1:38 AM
No I would not do DLee even with TeddyP playing in the background.

If we had Raja and Chandler on the wings and Thabeet at center we'd have a dominating defense for our tempo of play.
Get Warren with the other pick and you'd be set for a while with prospects at all 5 spots.
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2/27/2009  3:07 AM
Posted by McK1:

the wording of this thread title is kind've questionable

I'd DO him. Sure.
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2/27/2009  6:12 AM
Posted by loweyecue:

NOPE! He is not my type.
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2/27/2009  7:00 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

to Charlotte 5 year 50mm for Raja Bell and pick 8?

Raja is a 32 year old shooting guard with maybe 1-2 years left where he is effective. Love him as a player, but he is too old. Maybe if he was 30.
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2/27/2009  7:35 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by McK1:

the wording of this thread title is kind've questionable

Lol thats what I was thinking

when you change your mind as often as briggs does about the knicks, its no wonder that he might change his preferences elsewhere!

I don't change my mind--I throw out ideas. I didn't say lets trade David Lee I said would you consider this? Everyone has a change of opinion once in awhile--if you don't--something is wrong.

1 week u wanna trade Lee then u don't... then u do again... 1 week u're on a certain prospect's jock, the next u're not on another's... right, u never change ur mind... ur as consistent as they come.
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2/27/2009  7:59 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by McK1:

the wording of this thread title is kind've questionable

Lol thats what I was thinking

when you change your mind as often as briggs does about the knicks, its no wonder that he might change his preferences elsewhere!

I don't change my mind--I throw out ideas. I didn't say lets trade David Lee I said would you consider this? Everyone has a change of opinion once in awhile--if you don't--something is wrong.

1 week u wanna trade Lee then u don't... then u do again... 1 week u're on a certain prospect's jock, the next u're not on another's... right, u never change ur mind... ur as consistent as they come.

I don't want to trade David Lee but almost any player could be had if the right circumstance was there. He's not Tim Duncan.
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2/27/2009  8:13 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by McK1:

the wording of this thread title is kind've questionable

Lol thats what I was thinking

when you change your mind as often as briggs does about the knicks, its no wonder that he might change his preferences elsewhere!

I don't change my mind--I throw out ideas. I didn't say lets trade David Lee I said would you consider this? Everyone has a change of opinion once in awhile--if you don't--something is wrong.

1 week u wanna trade Lee then u don't... then u do again... 1 week u're on a certain prospect's jock, the next u're not on another's... right, u never change ur mind... ur as consistent as they come.

I don't want to trade David Lee but almost any player could be had if the right circumstance was there. He's not Tim Duncan.

Briggs- I am with you on ideas. I am the same way. And for many people that lack the same kind of creative thinking, they see this as directionless, which is the danger.

Walsh should shop Lee & our pick prior to the draft to try to move up. All this talk about 2010 is about getting a franchise talent.

Personally, I'd rather get that kind of player myself directly through the draft.

Here is the BIG problem with giving up Lee over the summer and trying something like this- we don't own our own 2010 pick, and I would be loath to hand off a top lotto pick to Utah.

So if you told me we would take a step back in 2009/10, but this summer draft the future anchor of our franchise, I'm just not sure I could support that.

Thank you, Isiah. Honestly, when EMS responded to his house, if there had been any self respecting Knick fans among them, they should have opened his mouth and shoved the rest of the pills down his throat.
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2/27/2009  8:26 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by McK1:

the wording of this thread title is kind've questionable

Lol thats what I was thinking

when you change your mind as often as briggs does about the knicks, its no wonder that he might change his preferences elsewhere!

I don't change my mind--I throw out ideas. I didn't say lets trade David Lee I said would you consider this? Everyone has a change of opinion once in awhile--if you don't--something is wrong.

1 week u wanna trade Lee then u don't... then u do again... 1 week u're on a certain prospect's jock, the next u're not on another's... right, u never change ur mind... ur as consistent as they come.

I don't want to trade David Lee but almost any player could be had if the right circumstance was there. He's not Tim Duncan.

Briggs- I am with you on ideas. I am the same way. And for many people that lack the same kind of creative thinking, they see this as directionless, which is the danger.

Walsh should shop Lee & our pick prior to the draft to try to move up. All this talk about 2010 is about getting a franchise talent.

Personally, I'd rather get that kind of player myself directly through the draft.

Here is the BIG problem with giving up Lee over the summer and trying something like this- we don't own our own 2010 pick, and I would be loath to hand off a top lotto pick to Utah.

So if you told me we would take a step back in 2009/10, but this summer draft the future anchor of our franchise, I'm just not sure I could support that.

Thank you, Isiah. Honestly, when EMS responded to his house, if there had been any self respecting Knick fans among them, they should have opened his mouth and shoved the rest of the pills down his throat.

David Lee is proven and a great player but if someone said Briggs would you rather resign David Lee OR potentially get the draft and MLE player you wanted as in BJ Mullens Willie Warren Jeff Pendegraph[who is the next David Lee] and pull LO on the full MLE? If I get what I want which I believe will not only help the team now but also imho set them up with players for a long term future with restricted salaries. Now I would have to get what I wanted or no deal--I'll keep Lee.
I hope the Knicks have been watching AZST and have gathered information on Pendegraph because he is going to be a player. I do think that clubs will be open to take $$ for their picks.
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2/27/2009  8:42 AM
Until Lee can score consistently with his back to the basket, he will be IMO a second tier player. He is scoring now because of MDA's system and all the pick and rolls. Can he do that in a playoff series with the defense geared to stop those plays? If we can resign Lee for $8 mill or less, then I would do it because he would still be tradeable. The same with Nate, if we can resign Nate for $7 mill or less, he would still be tradeable down the line.
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2/27/2009  9:31 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Brown covets Lee, so I wouldn't be surprise if they try to get him.

I think that Pendegraph is the David Lee of this draft. No one looking at him because he's a senior who plays second fiddle bu he has a lot of similarities to Lee. I think the bottom line is they are fixated on 2010 and I would rather get nice assets than nothing. We would be restructuring the team for the short and long term while keeping the cap flexibility they covet. As for Mullens--i don't take people who call Jerome Jordan a really good player and BJ Mullens a bust in the making to seriously.

Yeah I know you don't take 24 points 13 and 4 blocks seriously. That is what Jerome Jordan put up in his last game. BJ Mullens is a highly sought after recruit he should be dominating play. He should stay a year or two if he knows what is good for him he isn't NBA ready especially if you are drafting that high up.

I don't think Jordan is a bad player--but he is a plodder. Take a hard look at his build. But he could still be a pretty good NBA player and some team late in the first round with the right system--maybe a SA could get lucky. Mullens is a different level athlete. When he hits peak level of body and game--he's going to be a scary proposition. That is the type of player I look for. He doesnt have to dominate year 1 in college--he has to show glimpses of what he can do. When his mind and body advance--that's when you will see what he is. That is also the only reason why we could possibly draft him around 10.

Quick question, is Jordon a "plodder" like Brook Lopez was in college? I'm asking cause under the right system maybe he too will flourish. Just curious as I don't get to watch any college games.
Regarding Mullens, I'd like to see some video of him.

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2/27/2009  10:07 AM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Brown covets Lee, so I wouldn't be surprise if they try to get him.

I think that Pendegraph is the David Lee of this draft. No one looking at him because he's a senior who plays second fiddle bu he has a lot of similarities to Lee. I think the bottom line is they are fixated on 2010 and I would rather get nice assets than nothing. We would be restructuring the team for the short and long term while keeping the cap flexibility they covet. As for Mullens--i don't take people who call Jerome Jordan a really good player and BJ Mullens a bust in the making to seriously.

Yeah I know you don't take 24 points 13 and 4 blocks seriously. That is what Jerome Jordan put up in his last game. BJ Mullens is a highly sought after recruit he should be dominating play. He should stay a year or two if he knows what is good for him he isn't NBA ready especially if you are drafting that high up.

I don't think Jordan is a bad player--but he is a plodder. Take a hard look at his build. But he could still be a pretty good NBA player and some team late in the first round with the right system--maybe a SA could get lucky. Mullens is a different level athlete. When he hits peak level of body and game--he's going to be a scary proposition. That is the type of player I look for. He doesnt have to dominate year 1 in college--he has to show glimpses of what he can do. When his mind and body advance--that's when you will see what he is. That is also the only reason why we could possibly draft him around 10.

Quick question, is Jordon a "plodder" like Brook Lopez was in college? I'm asking cause under the right system maybe he too will flourish. Just curious as I don't get to watch any college games.
Regarding Mullens, I'd like to see some video of him.

EMS

He has a soft body. Brook Lopez is put together and is faster up down. Also the level of competition that JJ plays in is a full level down from what guys like Brook Lopez or Mullens Thabeet play in. But obviously if you are 7 feet tall with some skills you can make the NBA and in the right situation you could be a player. I think he's slow for this team but if you put him on the Spurs---he does have some nice post moves with long arms. Depends on the style of play. He is much better for a halfcourt based team.
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