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fishmike
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2/25/2009  1:37 PM
Troy Murphy? He's another white guy. Similarity ends there.
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2/25/2009  1:39 PM
Lee is just showing some pride. He hears the talk about the Knicks trading him because they won't be able to afford him and then he hears the talk about them going for a guy like Bosh, who is also a PF, and he must be wondering why people don't consider him to be worth the money they might have to throw out for a Bosh.

Should he say that he thinks he as reached his full potential, and that he will never get any better than he is now?

The guy has made visible improvements in his game during his time with the Knicks, but he is not so full of himself that he thinks he can't get any better.

Hell, what coach does not want a guy with this kind of attitude? Its not as if he is an "attitude" guy on the court- he plays tough, smart ball and gives the Knicks everything he has to offer on a regular basis.

And as someone pointed out, he said "he can be one of the best, not that he is the best.

This was not a quote to be upset about in any way whatsoever.



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2/25/2009  1:41 PM
These are combined snippets of two interview sessions on separate days. IOW, after his blunder he did back down and clean it up, he jest kept going.


"Don't get me wrong -- I love Jason Kidd. He's a great point guard," Marbury said. "(But) how am I comparing myself to him when I think I'm the best point guard to play basketball? That doesn't make any sense. I mean, how can I sit here and compare myself to somebody if I already think I'm the best?

"I'm telling you what it is: I know I'm the best point guard in the NBA. I don't need anybody else to tell me that. When I go on the basketball court, if I think about what you're all saying, I'll lose my mind."

"He's just like me," Marbury said of Kidd at yesterday's morning shootaround before the Nets beat the Knicks, 93-87. "He's a loser. We're both losers. Neither of us have won a championship. Tim Duncan is a winner. Kevin Garnett is a loser just like me. Charles Barkley is a loser just like me. [TNT partner] Kenny Smith is a winner.

"Magic [Johnson], Michael Jordan, [Larry] Bird, those guys are winners. Kobe [Bryant] and Shaquille [O'Neal] are winners. Isiah Thomas is a winner. Until you win championships, we're just like everyone else. It doesn't matter how far you get in the playoffs. It doesn't matter if you get to the Finals. You lost."

Marbury didn't back down from his New Year's boast that he considers himself the "best point guard in basketball."

"I'm just saying reality and answered a question," Marbury said. "I already know I'm the best point guard. It's like asking if it's raining outside. You're going to tell them it's raining."



After playing above .500 ball up until these statements we went immediately into a 3-16 (I'm goin off memory) skid upon them.

I think Brian Scalabrini makes sens of it:

WFAN interview:

Carlin: A couple of weeks ago Stephon Marbury makes the comment that he feels like he's the best point guard in the league. When the Nets hear something like that, and you have Jason Kidd on the team, are their any raised eyebrows going around?

Scalabrine: OK here's the difference. When Steph makes that comment, I dont know, I mean I'm not in the locker room, but I don't know if the Knicks have his back. But when Steph makes that comment about Jason, we were like "we are not losing this game against the Knicks, we can't let this happen." We have Jason's back and Jason has our back. And I think you know Steph is a very good player, you know he's very talented. But you know I'd run through a wall for Jason and Jason would run through a wall for us. That pretty much shows that he's the best point guard. When you have a guy like that and you'll do anything for him and he'll do anything for you that pretty much sums up the best point guard ever.
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2/25/2009  1:47 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

Until he develops his offense to the point where he can be a viable option at the end of games and commits to playing better defense, he's not going to be viewed as one of the best PF/C's in the league.

Right now he's a pretty good rebounder and adept at getting easy baskets around the rim, whose numbers are inflated due to the system that he's in.

On a side note, I was going crazy listening to Brandon Tierney last night as he was using numbers to suggest that Lee is a much better rebounder than Oakley ever was. He was listing some of Lee's rebounding totals and saying that Oakley never did that. I'm going to assume that that's false since Oak averaged as many rebounds as Lee is, 5 times in his career. And of course Oakley's teams probably averaged half the possessions that this Knicks teams do, which drastically decreases the opportunities for rebounds. In this system, I have no doubt that Oakley could average 20 rebs a game.

Once again Brandon Tierney proves that he's an idiot and a shill for the current Knicks.
Lee is the 2nd leading rebounder in the NBA. Best you can say is pretty good? So I guess that makes Dwight Howard who is #1 a 'good' rebounder?

Other notable #2 guys who are pretty good:
Lebron James: pretty good scorer
Deron Williams: pretty good assist guy
Marcus Camby: pretty good shot blocker
Jason Kidd: pretty good at getting steals
Kevin Martin: pretty good at getting the FT line
David Lee: pretty good rebounder

I like Lee's company!

Oakley and Lee are totally differnt players. Lee is much quicker and athletic, and probably has 3 times the verticle that Oakley had. Oak was easily one of the strongest players in the NBA and Lee obviously is not.

As for who is a better rebounder? Both are great, but very different players in very different eras

So you really don't think that total possessions per game has anything to do with rebounding numbers?

Maybe you think it's coincidence that the 2nd (Lee), 3rd (Murphy) and 4th (Biedrins) leading rebounders all play for teams that are in the top 5 in total possessions per game. Dwight Howard of course is a truly great rebounder in any system and any style of play.

Or maybe you consider Biedrins rebounding ability to be in the company of Kobe's scoring ability. But that would just be silly.
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2/25/2009  1:52 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Troy Murphy? He's another white guy. Similarity ends there.

Rebounds per 48 minutes:

Lee 16.1
Murphy 16.8
Biedrins 18.2
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2/25/2009  1:58 PM
In Steph's mind he had the most talent of all the PG's at that time and he was probably right. Jason isn't as talented as Steph, but obviously the PG position is about more than physical talent.

As for lee. I think most of the time when we think of the best position players we think not of the grunt work part of basketball, but whether that person is an offensive option in crunchtime that the team turns to to help win games. Lee isn't that kind of player and this makes people lower their view of him. If and when he shows himself to be a #2 or 3 offensive option for this team then along with his other considerable production he could rightly be considered one of the best. Right now he's just not complete.
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2/25/2009  1:59 PM
if you isolate marbury's quote in a bottle, it may not be so bad, but looking at the whole, the way he played, the coaches he bumped heads with, you understood that he feels he is the best and is above the rules, "other" players have to follow..

how about his comment that the knicks will never win with Ward and childs as their Point guards?

marbury is full of dumb quotes and when you look at the full picture, you can see it goes beyond confidence and leaps into idiocy and ****iness....
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2/25/2009  1:59 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
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Until he develops his offense to the point where he can be a viable option at the end of games and commits to playing better defense, he's not going to be viewed as one of the best PF/C's in the league.

Right now he's a pretty good rebounder and adept at getting easy baskets around the rim, whose numbers are inflated due to the system that he's in.

On a side note, I was going crazy listening to Brandon Tierney last night as he was using numbers to suggest that Lee is a much better rebounder than Oakley ever was. He was listing some of Lee's rebounding totals and saying that Oakley never did that. I'm going to assume that that's false since Oak averaged as many rebounds as Lee is, 5 times in his career. And of course Oakley's teams probably averaged half the possessions that this Knicks teams do, which drastically decreases the opportunities for rebounds. In this system, I have no doubt that Oakley could average 20 rebs a game.

Once again Brandon Tierney proves that he's an idiot and a shill for the current Knicks.
Lee is the 2nd leading rebounder in the NBA. Best you can say is pretty good? So I guess that makes Dwight Howard who is #1 a 'good' rebounder?

Other notable #2 guys who are pretty good:
Lebron James: pretty good scorer
Deron Williams: pretty good assist guy
Marcus Camby: pretty good shot blocker
Jason Kidd: pretty good at getting steals
Kevin Martin: pretty good at getting the FT line
David Lee: pretty good rebounder

I like Lee's company!

Oakley and Lee are totally differnt players. Lee is much quicker and athletic, and probably has 3 times the verticle that Oakley had. Oak was easily one of the strongest players in the NBA and Lee obviously is not.

As for who is a better rebounder? Both are great, but very different players in very different eras

So you really don't think that total possessions per game has anything to do with rebounding numbers?

Maybe you think it's coincidence that the 2nd (Lee), 3rd (Murphy) and 4th (Biedrins) leading rebounders all play for teams that are in the top 5 in total possessions per game. Dwight Howard of course is a truly great rebounder in any system and any style of play.

Or maybe you consider Biedrins rebounding ability to be in the company of Kobe's scoring ability. But that would just be silly.

Actually, the number of possessions hasn't really been the reason in Lee's improved rebounding #s.

David Lee:
Last year: 242 offensive rebounds in 2411 chances which means David got 10% of offensive rebounds
This year: 177 offensive rebounds in 2033 chances which means David got 8.7% of offensive rebounds

Last year: 482 defensive rebounds in 2188 chances which means David got 22% of defensive rebounds
This year: 478 defensive rebounds in 1931 chances which means David got 24.8% of defensive rebounds

The Knicks are getting 5 more possessions a game, which isn't a huge discrepency. I don't see how you can say his rebounding #s are directly related to that.


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2/25/2009  2:02 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

These are combined snippets of two interview sessions on separate days. IOW, after his blunder he did back down and clean it up, he jest kept going.


"Don't get me wrong -- I love Jason Kidd. He's a great point guard," Marbury said. "(But) how am I comparing myself to him when I think I'm the best point guard to play basketball? That doesn't make any sense. I mean, how can I sit here and compare myself to somebody if I already think I'm the best?

"I'm telling you what it is: I know I'm the best point guard in the NBA. I don't need anybody else to tell me that. When I go on the basketball court, if I think about what you're all saying, I'll lose my mind."

"He's just like me," Marbury said of Kidd at yesterday's morning shootaround before the Nets beat the Knicks, 93-87. "He's a loser. We're both losers. Neither of us have won a championship. Tim Duncan is a winner. Kevin Garnett is a loser just like me. Charles Barkley is a loser just like me. [TNT partner] Kenny Smith is a winner.

"Magic [Johnson], Michael Jordan, [Larry] Bird, those guys are winners. Kobe [Bryant] and Shaquille [O'Neal] are winners. Isiah Thomas is a winner. Until you win championships, we're just like everyone else. It doesn't matter how far you get in the playoffs. It doesn't matter if you get to the Finals. You lost."

Marbury didn't back down from his New Year's boast that he considers himself the "best point guard in basketball."

"I'm just saying reality and answered a question," Marbury said. "I already know I'm the best point guard. It's like asking if it's raining outside. You're going to tell them it's raining."



After playing above .500 ball up until these statements we went immediately into a 3-16 (I'm goin off memory) skid upon them.

I think Brian Scalabrini makes sens of it:

WFAN interview:

Carlin: A couple of weeks ago Stephon Marbury makes the comment that he feels like he's the best point guard in the league. When the Nets hear something like that, and you have Jason Kidd on the team, are their any raised eyebrows going around?

Scalabrine: OK here's the difference. When Steph makes that comment, I dont know, I mean I'm not in the locker room, but I don't know if the Knicks have his back. But when Steph makes that comment about Jason, we were like "we are not losing this game against the Knicks, we can't let this happen." We have Jason's back and Jason has our back. And I think you know Steph is a very good player, you know he's very talented. But you know I'd run through a wall for Jason and Jason would run through a wall for us. That pretty much shows that he's the best point guard. When you have a guy like that and you'll do anything for him and he'll do anything for you that pretty much sums up the best point guard ever.


bluest, you know I remember these quotes.. remember the conversations we used to have on this? LOL..
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2/25/2009  2:03 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:

Troy Murphy? He's another white guy. Similarity ends there.

Rebounds per 48 minutes:

Lee 16.1
Murphy 16.8
Biedrins 18.2
Lee
PPG 16.6
RPG 11.9
APG 2.1
SPG 0.9
BPG 0.3
FG% 0.556
FT% 0.763
3P% 0.000
MPG 35.6
Murphy
PPG 13.5
RPG 11.7
APG 2.4
SPG 0.8
BPG 0.3
FG% 0.466
FT% 0.803
3P% 0.433
MPG 33.5

Murphy's .466 is great if you want your 6'10 power forward chucking up 18 footers all night. Murphy is a good rebounder who is having a career year. Muphy is a jumpshooting PF with a career 44% FGs. He's good for hitting his 6-7 jumpers a game and grabbing his 8 rebounds. He's not an elite rebounder and he doesnt get you points in the paint
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2/25/2009  2:06 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

Until he develops his offense to the point where he can be a viable option at the end of games and commits to playing better defense, he's not going to be viewed as one of the best PF/C's in the league.

Right now he's a pretty good rebounder and adept at getting easy baskets around the rim, whose numbers are inflated due to the system that he's in.

On a side note, I was going crazy listening to Brandon Tierney last night as he was using numbers to suggest that Lee is a much better rebounder than Oakley ever was. He was listing some of Lee's rebounding totals and saying that Oakley never did that. I'm going to assume that that's false since Oak averaged as many rebounds as Lee is, 5 times in his career. And of course Oakley's teams probably averaged half the possessions that this Knicks teams do, which drastically decreases the opportunities for rebounds. In this system, I have no doubt that Oakley could average 20 rebs a game.

Once again Brandon Tierney proves that he's an idiot and a shill for the current Knicks.
Lee is the 2nd leading rebounder in the NBA. Best you can say is pretty good? So I guess that makes Dwight Howard who is #1 a 'good' rebounder?

Other notable #2 guys who are pretty good:
Lebron James: pretty good scorer
Deron Williams: pretty good assist guy
Marcus Camby: pretty good shot blocker
Jason Kidd: pretty good at getting steals
Kevin Martin: pretty good at getting the FT line
David Lee: pretty good rebounder

I like Lee's company!

Oakley and Lee are totally differnt players. Lee is much quicker and athletic, and probably has 3 times the verticle that Oakley had. Oak was easily one of the strongest players in the NBA and Lee obviously is not.

As for who is a better rebounder? Both are great, but very different players in very different eras

So you really don't think that total possessions per game has anything to do with rebounding numbers?

Maybe you think it's coincidence that the 2nd (Lee), 3rd (Murphy) and 4th (Biedrins) leading rebounders all play for teams that are in the top 5 in total possessions per game. Dwight Howard of course is a truly great rebounder in any system and any style of play.

Or maybe you consider Biedrins rebounding ability to be in the company of Kobe's scoring ability. But that would just be silly.

Actually, the number of possessions hasn't really been the reason in Lee's improved rebounding #s.

David Lee:
Last year: 242 offensive rebounds in 2411 chances which means David got 10% of offensive rebounds
This year: 177 offensive rebounds in 2033 chances which means David got 8.7% of offensive rebounds

Last year: 482 defensive rebounds in 2188 chances which means David got 22% of defensive rebounds
This year: 478 defensive rebounds in 1931 chances which means David got 24.8% of defensive rebounds

The Knicks are getting 5 more possessions a game, which isn't a huge discrepency. I don't see how you can say his rebounding #s are directly related to that.

I'm talking about Lee in relation to the rest of the league. So is Fish apparently since he brought up the fact that he was 2nd in the league in rebounding. How many more chances has Lee had to get rebounds than the league average?
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2/25/2009  2:13 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:

Troy Murphy? He's another white guy. Similarity ends there.

Rebounds per 48 minutes:

Lee 16.1
Murphy 16.8
Biedrins 18.2
Lee
PPG 16.6
RPG 11.9
APG 2.1
SPG 0.9
BPG 0.3
FG% 0.556
FT% 0.763
3P% 0.000
MPG 35.6
Murphy
PPG 13.5
RPG 11.7
APG 2.4
SPG 0.8
BPG 0.3
FG% 0.466
FT% 0.803
3P% 0.433
MPG 33.5

Murphy's .466 is great if you want your 6'10 power forward chucking up 18 footers all night. Murphy is a good rebounder who is having a career year. Muphy is a jumpshooting PF with a career 44% FGs. He's good for hitting his 6-7 jumpers a game and grabbing his 8 rebounds. He's not an elite rebounder and he doesnt get you points in the paint

I thought we were talking about rebounding??

So you take offense to the label "pretty good" when it comes to 11.9 rebounds per game but use the label "good" when it comes to 11.7 rebounds per game?!?

Isn't Lee having a career year?
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Yeah, you are right in that respect Isles.. for example, take a look at Biedrins.. his rebounding numbers are better in many less chances.
http://www.82games.com/0809/08GSW17.HTM

Offense: 199 offensive rebounds in 1598 chances which means Biedrins got 12.5% of offensive rebounds - Biedrins more reb's in less chances.
Defense: 389 defensive rebounds in 1538 chances which means Biedrins got 25.3% of defensive rebounds - Biedrins less reb's in less chances.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-25-2009 2:15 PM]
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2/25/2009  2:24 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Isn't Lee having a career year?
Murphy's rebounding is much higher than any of the 8 years he's been in the league. Thats having a career year.

Lee is has always been a great rebounder. He's always scored at a freakishly high %. He's got 3 years experience and this is his first as a starter. I dont think you can use the phrase "career year" for anyone still in a rookie contract. At least I wouldnt but I try to look at these things objectively.

Murphy is a good rebounder. Always has been. But he's overpaid for a guy that is so one dimensional. Lee isnt one dimensional. He's the 2nd best rebounder in the league. He scores.. a lot. His FG% is Shaq like. Lee does not create his own shot, and that is a 100% fair knock on him because elite players can get their own shot. Not part of Lee's game (yet). But Lee is one of the league's most consistant players and his numbers are a reflection of that. He's not going to win you the game one on one in the last 20 seconds, but his production can keep you close enough to make that shot worth it. You disagree? (its really slow at work when I engage you)

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2/25/2009  2:31 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Yeah, you are right in that respect Isles.. for example, take a look at Biedrins.. his rebounding numbers are better in many less chances.
http://www.82games.com/0809/08GSW17.HTM

Offense: 199 offensive rebounds in 1598 chances which means Biedrins got 12.5% of offensive rebounds - Biedrins more reb's in less chances.
Defense: 389 defensive rebounds in 1538 chances which means Biedrins got 25.3% of defensive rebounds - Biedrins less reb's in less chances.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-25-2009 2:15 PM]
http://www.82games.com/0809/08NYK15.HTM

Not sure what that proves. Lee's just as good on the defensive glass. Not as good on the offensive. Two different styles of play however. Knicks take a ton more 3's a game. 11 more to be exact. Thats 11 fewer rebounds for Lee than Biedrins is going to have a shot at, because missed 3's are rebounded by guards.

Biedrins is a hell of a glass cleaner though and I wouldnt say Lee is a better rebounder. Biedrins, Lee, Howard, Camby, etc are elite rebounders. Murphy is a good rebounder. There is a difference to me

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2/25/2009  2:34 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Yeah, you are right in that respect Isles.. for example, take a look at Biedrins.. his rebounding numbers are better in many less chances.
http://www.82games.com/0809/08GSW17.HTM

Offense: 199 offensive rebounds in 1598 chances which means Biedrins got 12.5% of offensive rebounds - Biedrins more reb's in less chances.
Defense: 389 defensive rebounds in 1538 chances which means Biedrins got 25.3% of defensive rebounds - Biedrins less reb's in less chances.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-25-2009 2:15 PM]
http://www.82games.com/0809/08NYK15.HTM

Not sure what that proves. Lee's just as good on the defensive glass. Not as good on the offensive. Two different styles of play however. Knicks take a ton more 3's a game. 11 more to be exact. Thats 11 fewer rebounds for Lee than Biedrins is going to have a shot at, because missed 3's are rebounded by guards.

Biedrins is a hell of a glass cleaner though and I wouldnt say Lee is a better rebounder. Biedrins, Lee, Howard, Camby, etc are elite rebounders. Murphy is a good rebounder. There is a difference to me

I agree with you about the Lee/Murphy difference. I was just correcting myself on the rebounding numbers. I do think David has improved his defensive rebounding this year, while he's always going to be a good offensive rebounder.
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2/25/2009  2:50 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:
Isn't Lee having a career year?
Murphy's rebounding is much higher than any of the 8 years he's been in the league. Thats having a career year.

Lee is has always been a great rebounder. He's always scored at a freakishly high %. He's got 3 years experience and this is his first as a starter. I dont think you can use the phrase "career year" for anyone still in a rookie contract. At least I wouldnt but I try to look at these things objectively.

Murphy is a good rebounder. Always has been. But he's overpaid for a guy that is so one dimensional. Lee isnt one dimensional. He's the 2nd best rebounder in the league. He scores.. a lot. His FG% is Shaq like. Lee does not create his own shot, and that is a 100% fair knock on him because elite players can get their own shot. Not part of Lee's game (yet). But Lee is one of the league's most consistant players and his numbers are a reflection of that. He's not going to win you the game one on one in the last 20 seconds, but his production can keep you close enough to make that shot worth it. You disagree? (its really slow at work when I engage you)

Huh?

Murphy: Current Rebounding Ave - 11.7 Previous career high - 10.8 Difference - 0.9 rebs per game

Lee: Current Rebounding Avg - 11.9 Previous career high - 10.4 Difference - 1.5 rebs per game

What are you talking about? And why do you keep bringing up other things like their contracts and FG%? Can we please stay on topic? You had a problem with my calling Lee a "pretty good" rebounder yet call Murphy a "good" rebounder despite there being a difference of 0.2 reb a game. Then you completely ignore the fact that Lee has many more chances at rebounds than the league average and dismiss Murphy's numbers as being a career year. Despite the fact that his current avg is less than 1 rebound more than his previous career high, and is less of a difference than Lee's.

I love the little jab, as if I'm not looking at this objectively but you are. Is this the point in the conversation where you make it personal and run away? Feel free to disengage. Or better yet, discuss it with nyk4ever, who clearly understands what I'm talking about.
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Posted by fishmike:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Yeah, you are right in that respect Isles.. for example, take a look at Biedrins.. his rebounding numbers are better in many less chances.
http://www.82games.com/0809/08GSW17.HTM

Offense: 199 offensive rebounds in 1598 chances which means Biedrins got 12.5% of offensive rebounds - Biedrins more reb's in less chances.
Defense: 389 defensive rebounds in 1538 chances which means Biedrins got 25.3% of defensive rebounds - Biedrins less reb's in less chances.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-25-2009 2:15 PM]
http://www.82games.com/0809/08NYK15.HTM

Not sure what that proves. Lee's just as good on the defensive glass. Not as good on the offensive. Two different styles of play however. Knicks take a ton more 3's a game. 11 more to be exact. Thats 11 fewer rebounds for Lee than Biedrins is going to have a shot at, because missed 3's are rebounded by guards.

Biedrins is a hell of a glass cleaner though and I wouldnt say Lee is a better rebounder. Biedrins, Lee, Howard, Camby, etc are elite rebounders. Murphy is a good rebounder. There is a difference to me

Yeah, 0.2 is that difference.
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2/25/2009  3:07 PM
Per 48 minutes/Rebounds Per Game

Howard - 18.7
Biedrins - 18.2
Camby - 18.1
Murphy - 16.8
Lee - 16.1

But according to Fish, Lee belongs in elite status with Howard, Biedrins and Camby and Murphy is below Lee. And he's the one being objective here.
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2/25/2009  3:08 PM
Good thread. I enjoyed reading it.
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