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MY final list for this years draft given that we are not top 3 and anywhere from 7-13 or so
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JohnWallace44
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2/25/2009  12:58 PM
Why isn't Ohio State one of the top teams in the nation if they have all these top flight prospects?
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2/25/2009  1:04 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Why isn't Ohio State one of the top teams in the nation if they have all these top flight prospects?
probably because their guards arent very good. Also the two players we are talking about are new to the scene. BJ is a freshman getting like 20 mins a game and Turner had a quiet freshman year but is breaking out.
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2/25/2009  1:07 PM
Can we tag our profiles with predicted Knicks draft picks?
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Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/25/2009  1:08 PM
Posted by fishmike:

on this being your "final thought"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I put the over/under number on threads created by Briggs between now and the draft (120 days away) on his draft thoughts at 75.

So much will happen between now and draft its kind of moot to comment.

My early choice would be the Ohio state kid... Evan Turner

No wonder you don't work in Vegas. You want to give me my money now or wait for Briggs to officially go Over?

I want Jrue Holiday.
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2/25/2009  1:17 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Why isn't Ohio State one of the top teams in the nation if they have all these top flight prospects?
probably because their guards arent very good. Also the two players we are talking about are new to the scene. BJ is a freshman getting like 20 mins a game and Turner had a quiet freshman year but is breaking out.

Put it this way--if I had pick 2 in this draft Id take BJ Mullens--yes over Hasheem. The only guy above him is Griffin--impossible to pass on. There is no way around it--to me he is an elite level prospect that I would be willing to give up a LOT to get. I think you pegged it---it's next year when he would get 32-34 minutes that he would shoot up like a rocket using turbo thrust. the fact that it took him 6-7 games to get the speed and now figuring out the game --only minutes are holding this kid back from being looked at as a top 3 pick. He's kind of figuring out now that he is the biggest and baddest man in the Big ten--that's why he is the first freshmen in a long time who is going to lead the league in FG%
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2/25/2009  1:23 PM
your nuts. He's not a better prospect than the Georgetown center. Mullins is so raw and needs another 2 if not 3 years of CBB. He's got no feel for the game, he's just bigger than everyone he's faced. What game/highlight/clip/article made you think so highly???? He's a very athletic 7 footer and those dont grow on trees, but this has potential over skill all the way.
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2/25/2009  1:25 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Why isn't Ohio State one of the top teams in the nation if they have all these top flight prospects?
probably because their guards arent very good. Also the two players we are talking about are new to the scene. BJ is a freshman getting like 20 mins a game and Turner had a quiet freshman year but is breaking out.

Put it this way--if I had pick 2 in this draft Id take BJ Mullens--yes over Hasheem. The only guy above him is Griffin--impossible to pass on. There is no way around it--to me he is an elite level prospect that I would be willing to give up a LOT to get. I think you pegged it---it's next year when he would get 32-34 minutes that he would shoot up like a rocket using turbo thrust. the fact that it took him 6-7 games to get the speed and now figuring out the game --only minutes are holding this kid back from being looked at as a top 3 pick. He's kind of figuring out now that he is the biggest and baddest man in the Big ten--that's why he is the first freshmen in a long time who is going to lead the league in FG%

Whaaat? You'd take someone over Hasheem? That's like IslesFan saying that he'd take Isiah over his mother.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/25/2009  1:58 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Why isn't Ohio State one of the top teams in the nation if they have all these top flight prospects?
probably because their guards arent very good. Also the two players we are talking about are new to the scene. BJ is a freshman getting like 20 mins a game and Turner had a quiet freshman year but is breaking out.

Put it this way--if I had pick 2 in this draft Id take BJ Mullens--yes over Hasheem. The only guy above him is Griffin--impossible to pass on. There is no way around it--to me he is an elite level prospect that I would be willing to give up a LOT to get. I think you pegged it---it's next year when he would get 32-34 minutes that he would shoot up like a rocket using turbo thrust. the fact that it took him 6-7 games to get the speed and now figuring out the game --only minutes are holding this kid back from being looked at as a top 3 pick. He's kind of figuring out now that he is the biggest and baddest man in the Big ten--that's why he is the first freshmen in a long time who is going to lead the league in FG%

Whaaat? You'd take someone over Hasheem? That's like IslesFan saying that he'd take Isiah over his mother.

I don't want Isiah or his mother.
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2/25/2009  2:01 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Why isn't Ohio State one of the top teams in the nation if they have all these top flight prospects?
probably because their guards arent very good. Also the two players we are talking about are new to the scene. BJ is a freshman getting like 20 mins a game and Turner had a quiet freshman year but is breaking out.

Put it this way--if I had pick 2 in this draft Id take BJ Mullens--yes over Hasheem. The only guy above him is Griffin--impossible to pass on. There is no way around it--to me he is an elite level prospect that I would be willing to give up a LOT to get. I think you pegged it---it's next year when he would get 32-34 minutes that he would shoot up like a rocket using turbo thrust. the fact that it took him 6-7 games to get the speed and now figuring out the game --only minutes are holding this kid back from being looked at as a top 3 pick. He's kind of figuring out now that he is the biggest and baddest man in the Big ten--that's why he is the first freshmen in a long time who is going to lead the league in FG%

Whaaat? You'd take someone over Hasheem? That's like IslesFan saying that he'd take Isiah over his mother.

I've seen Hasheem play every game from freshmen to junior. He's going to be a very fine NBA C. Mullens will be a great offensive NBA C. They are certainly much different players despite being similar in size. Mullens is more of an offensive C and while Thabeet is NO slouch[and will be better on the O in the NBA then some project] he is much more of a defensive based guy. Hasheem was not going 9-10 from the field at 17 years old at the Mobile 24 Boost like Mullens and other than shotblocking Mullens is more advanced as a freshmen. Also Hasheem could be 23-24-- it's been speculated
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2/25/2009  3:31 PM
Posted by fishmike:

your nuts. He's not a better prospect than the Georgetown center. Mullins is so raw and needs another 2 if not 3 years of CBB. He's got no feel for the game, he's just bigger than everyone he's faced. What game/highlight/clip/article made you think so highly???? He's a very athletic 7 footer and those dont grow on trees, but this has potential over skill all the way.

Greg Monroe is not a C prospect. He is a PF.

Remember BJ is 7-1 275

Just for giggles
BJ is averaging 10 points 5.4 rebounds and 1 block shooting a staggering 70% in Ben Ten play in an average of 23 minutes
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2/25/2009  3:43 PM
I think it will come down to DeRozan and the guy they liked last year but pulled out Budinger. I would be very surprise if this regime takes on a big man prospect via the draft.
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2/25/2009  3:48 PM
I still think when we are looking to draft a PG that we go for Eric Maynor.
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I think it will come down to DeRozan and the guy they liked last year but pulled out Budinger. I would be very surprise if this regime takes on a big man prospect via the draft.

I will be surprised too. I think when we can all remember when we knew we were getting Channing Frye and most people were disgusted by it--it still happened and look at the result. I think the same thing may just occur with Gallinari. To me it's pretty simple--there are few athletic 7-1 275 pound 18 year olds on the planet. This is a unique athlete. You can find 8 Chase Budingers in Europe. You can find 6-6 athletes who cant shoot all over the place-- but the 7-1 guy--he is a rare bird. I always consider what is in the best long term interests of the NY Knicks. The people who run the Knicks don't think that way--they never have--thats why we havent drafted well with a few late round exceptions in the last 25 years. If we go back to last year and Bynum and Gallinari were both coming out--the Knicks would take Gallinari--and they will continue to not learn from their mistakes. they don't understand the unique athlete and what he can do in the nBA[sans nate which I give props to IT] I hear a lot of people say they believe Anthony Randolph will be a great NBA player--I don't hear a peep about Gallinari--but we have to accept it---we now have two of the all time worst GM's in terms of the draft Gabriel and Grunwald and we know Dantoni is not a talent guy--i.e Marcus Banks I think Donnie Walsh is more of the don at this point--as in the guys under him suggest a guy and he does what they say. It's a very ego centric business--they don't want to admit mistakes.
what do I think will happen--they will lose a player they didnt think they would lose--maybe more than 1 from the current team and draft poorly again. Thats my guess and it's been pretty systematic that it will happen again.
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2/25/2009  4:13 PM
Brandon Jennings seems like he keeps moving up. 6'-1" PG 170lbs. Anybody have the lowdown on his game?
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2/25/2009  4:14 PM
Briggs I agree with you about is Chase Budinger - never liked the guy. I don't see him being much better than Brian Scalabrine and no I'm not comparing him to him because he's white, but rather they play a very similar game in college and both come from the same conference. I wouldn't spend a top 20 pick on the guy.
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2/25/2009  4:27 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Pharzeone:

I think it will come down to DeRozan and the guy they liked last year but pulled out Budinger. I would be very surprise if this regime takes on a big man prospect via the draft.

I will be surprised too. I think when we can all remember when we knew we were getting Channing Frye and most people were disgusted by it--it still happened and look at the result. I think the same thing may just occur with Gallinari. To me it's pretty simple--there are few athletic 7-1 275 pound 18 year olds on the planet. This is a unique athlete. You can find 8 Chase Budingers in Europe. You can find 6-6 athletes who cant shoot all over the place-- but the 7-1 guy--he is a rare bird. I always consider what is in the best long term interests of the NY Knicks. The people who run the Knicks don't think that way--they never have--thats why we havent drafted well with a few late round exceptions in the last 25 years. If we go back to last year and Bynum and Gallinari were both coming out--the Knicks would take Gallinari--and they will continue to not learn from their mistakes. they don't understand the unique athlete and what he can do in the nBA[sans nate which I give props to IT] I hear a lot of people say they believe Anthony Randolph will be a great NBA player--I don't hear a peep about Gallinari--but we have to accept it---we now have two of the all time worst GM's in terms of the draft Gabriel and Grunwald and we know Dantoni is not a talent guy--i.e Marcus Banks I think Donnie Walsh is more of the don at this point--as in the guys under him suggest a guy and he does what they say. It's a very ego centric business--they don't want to admit mistakes.
what do I think will happen--they will lose a player they didnt think they would lose--maybe more than 1 from the current team and draft poorly again. Thats my guess and it's been pretty systematic that it will happen again.
that the same thought process that got Bowie drafted over MJ.

Thats a fear thought process. Every GM gets a pass if you draft size that doesnt pan out. But how how how can you pass on the 7 footer for a skinny SF????

for every Amare or Bynum (who still hasnt made it through one season without breaking) there are 4 Kwame Browns and Eddy Curry's.
why he’s only played 17 minutes per game through his first nine contests. Often the first one down the floor on offense, he’s typically the last one to get back on defense. The concept of a zone defense looks completely foreign to him, and it’s very typical to see him completely out of place (sometimes wildly chasing a steal), which causes his team’s entire defense to collapse. He looks very lost at times trying to do anything more than use his pure instincts, which is a bit of a concern when you consider how tactical the NBA is on both ends of the floor. The one assist he’s dished out through nine games, compared with 11 turnovers, tells the story quite well regarding his basketball IQ and understanding of the game at the moment.
maybe the guy is awesome.

Look around the league at how many good 7 footers there are. Maybe he's the next Dalembert.

He's playing with a supreme athletic advantage right now. He wont be in the NBA

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2/25/2009  4:29 PM
I'm hoping we get Warren, he looks beastly, but seems like his stock is rising too much
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2/25/2009  4:34 PM
and not for nothing but calling Gallinari a bust? Its easy to fall in love with someone that can throw a fastball 97 mph. But the guy with the best career of our era could barely break 85.

If this guy gets drafted next year he's minimum 2 years away from being able to play in the NBA. In Briggs years our sun will be supernova and all life on earth dead so might as well get someone that can play sooner no?
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2/25/2009  4:39 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

your nuts. He's not a better prospect than the Georgetown center. Mullins is so raw and needs another 2 if not 3 years of CBB. He's got no feel for the game, he's just bigger than everyone he's faced. What game/highlight/clip/article made you think so highly???? He's a very athletic 7 footer and those dont grow on trees, but this has potential over skill all the way.

Greg Monroe is not a C prospect. He is a PF.

Remember BJ is 7-1 275

Just for giggles
BJ is averaging 10 points 5.4 rebounds and 1 block shooting a staggering 70% in Ben Ten play in an average of 23 minutes

Is he quick? Do you have a video?
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/25/2009  4:47 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

your nuts. He's not a better prospect than the Georgetown center. Mullins is so raw and needs another 2 if not 3 years of CBB. He's got no feel for the game, he's just bigger than everyone he's faced. What game/highlight/clip/article made you think so highly???? He's a very athletic 7 footer and those dont grow on trees, but this has potential over skill all the way.

Greg Monroe is not a C prospect. He is a PF.

Remember BJ is 7-1 275

Just for giggles
BJ is averaging 10 points 5.4 rebounds and 1 block shooting a staggering 70% in Ben Ten play in an average of 23 minutes

Is he quick? Do you have a video?

Here is a tape from Rucker Park

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFrxUurx8Ow&feature=related
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MY final list for this years draft given that we are not top 3 and anywhere from 7-13 or so

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