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It might cosct us 20mm $ to sign both Lee and Nate
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BRIGGS
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2/24/2009  12:59 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

Walsh's history is he awards his players that perform well with big contracts. The Davis boys, Croshere, Jalen Rose, Artest, Brad Miller, Jermaine Oneil, et al Walsh's history shows he pays his players and isnt cheap. It also shows he's perfectly willing to trade you to make the team better.

My gut feeling is Nate gets like 6 years $50mm (starting at $6.5mm) and Lee gets 6 years and $68mm (starting at $8.5). Something like that

And I agree.. its money well spent.

I cant fathom trading away either of these players. Also--IMO--we should see if we can sign AL to a 3 years 24mm$ extension. Yes he had a couple of snafus but overall the guy has been great--best ball of his career. A guy that I never liked. He is absolute money when he shoots from 14-16 feet. He rarely misses a mid range jumper.

so go to war the next 3 years with the same cast while not signing anyone in 2010? should've just kept isiah...

We need more BUT we are not bad. Was Lee Chandler and Nate playing like this last year? Was Harrington or Duhon? We need top enhance we don't need to crash and burn. Give me Lamar Odom--he will go 20-10-5 here in this system. Get me a slashing athletic guard that I can use off the bench in the draft. Maybe buy a late one and find someone in SL to fill out the bench.

Honestly--what do you think Lamar Odom would do if he was starting PF with Lee? The team would win 50 easy.
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2/24/2009  1:05 PM
1) Sign Nate and Lee
2) Sign a max FA in 2010
3) Sign a max FA in 2011 (let curry and JJ come off the books)

I rather wait a yr to get a 2nd FA and we get to keep nate and lee.
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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2/24/2009  1:09 PM
only if the guy is a scrub. Its a learning experience and there is a curve. He hasnt been healthy either. Gallo jury is still out there. He might become a stud after he's long gone (see Hedu Turkoglu) he might "get it" much sooner. He might be the next Dirk, he might be the next Majec Lampe. Who knows. Doesnt matter... he's here for now.

For me I totally agree with DJ that buying big at the next deadline is the way to go.

resign Lee, Nate and possibly Duhon and Harrington. Chandler will be here, so will Gallo. Use your mountain of expiring deals and Garden money to build an MDA that runs 8 deep.

3 guys I think that could be had for money deals are Peja (shooting), Bogut (center/shotblocking/size) and Gerald Wallace (everything)

How many games would an MDA team like this win:
pg Duhon
sg Chandler
sf Peja
pf Lee
C Bogut
bench: Nate, Harrington, Gerald Wallace

Everyone gets 30ish minutes. I dont know if they are good enough to win a title but there are 8 guys running and shooting for 120 points a night under one of the best offensive coaches out there. I think thats a 50 win team and once you have that you can figure out what the next step (title). The starters have size, shooting (imagine Peja under MDA????) and decent defense with Duhon, Chandler and Bogut. Then when the other team is huffing and puffing in comes Nate, Harrington and Wallace... thats a sick rotation and unrelenting
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2/24/2009  1:40 PM
I think Walsh is going to go in this direction:

1) Re-sign Lee to a 6 year deal starting at around $9M
2) Trade Nate this summer in a package with Jeffries, taking back salary that expires in 2010.
3) Sign a Max free agent in 2010
4) Round out the roster with 1 year contracts that summer.
5) Let Curry expire and sign another free agent in 2011.
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2/24/2009  1:43 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I think Walsh is going to go in this direction:

1) Re-sign Lee to a 6 year deal starting at around $9M
2) Trade Nate this summer in a package with Jeffries, taking back salary that expires in 2010.
3) Sign a Max free agent in 2010
4) Round out the roster with 1 year contracts that summer.
5) Let Curry expire and sign another free agent in 2011.

I think theres a good chance they go in that direction.

I also wouldnt rule out teams that have a firesale with their players (like the Hornets with Chandler) and Walsh resigns Nate and uses him and some of the other expiring in a deal like that.
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2/24/2009  2:02 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by King1:

I think what your going to find is the Gallinari draft is going to haunt the Knicks for a long time. We could have had a piece for a team instead of a piece of %&$^. I think Lee will get resigned and Duhon and Wilson will be around. Everyone else will be history. Get a max guy in 2010 and one in 2011 and then you have a team.

What a disaster. He's still has to play--we have to get him PT this year to hopefully get him used to the speed. Practicing in the off season is not the same. He can work on strength in the off season. If he looks like this next year or if his back has one issue--I would not exercise his 3rd year contract or dump him for a 2nd rounder. He's got to come in stronger healthier and ready to play. Getting part time minutes now is critical. My hope is we see something different next year--a guy a lot stronger and more explosive for what he does. 9 months later the back is an issue?

It's really a shame that they wasted that lottery pick on Gallinari when they could have gotten much better players at positions of need going forward. If they had drafted Lopez or Gordon their outlook would look so much brighter.

Imagine a roster that looked like this:

C Brook Lopez
PF David Lee
SF LeBron James
SG Wilson Chandler
PG Brandon Jennings/Jrue Holiday

Then add another near max free agent in 2011. Any way you slice it, the Knicks would have had so many options available to them.
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2/24/2009  2:03 PM
so....what if Lebron, Wade and Bosh don't exercise their player options in 2010?....we're looking good in 2011 with JJ and curry gone. I wouldn't do anything crazy (and neither would Walsh) by trading Lee or N8 unless we get something significant back.
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2/24/2009  2:38 PM
I wish we could get Dwight Howard somehow. Him and Lee in the frontcourt with Chandler and then throw Nate in the mix and I see championships....
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2/24/2009  2:47 PM
I get the feeling that Walsh and D'Antoni would keep Nate and trade Lee if push comes to serve. Just the feeling I get from listening to various media outlets. I think both believe that Lee is more of a product of D'Antoni's system. Listen to the guy miked up when he told Dan Weber you created a "offensive" monster when refering to Lee while he basically says Nate does what he do naturally. I also think both believe they can plug a guy in here that can give you similar stats. If Troy Murphy was a free agent it would get interesting this summer. I also believe that other players around the league feel the same way.

I think if you are going to lure a big time free agent like Lebron, his preference is to play with a Nate. Superstars like him and Kobe have went out their way to praise Nate rather than Lee. Same with coaches.
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SkyWalker
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2/24/2009  2:55 PM
i want chris paul or deron williams over anyone
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2/24/2009  3:04 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

I get the feeling that Walsh and D'Antoni would keep Nate and trade Lee if push comes to serve. Just the feeling I get from listening to various media outlets. I think both believe that Lee is more of a product of D'Antoni's system. Listen to the guy miked up when he told Dan Weber you created a "offensive" monster when refering to Lee while he basically says Nate does what he do naturally. I also think both believe they can plug a guy in here that can give you similar stats. If Troy Murphy was a free agent it would get interesting this summer. I also believe that other players around the league feel the same way.

I think if you are going to lure a big time free agent like Lebron, his preference is to play with a Nate. Superstars like him and Kobe have went out their way to praise Nate rather than Lee. Same with coaches.

I think the exact opposite. Lee was a good rebounder before this year and was always good at getting easy baskets near the hoop. His numbers are up but you can't say that he's just a byproduct of the system. Nate on the other hand is in a system where he can shoot as much as he wants and play at a fast pace which fits his game. He's not asked to play defense or run an offense, as he might with most teams.

If you're planning on adding a big time scorer who has the ball in his hands a lot, why would you keep a guy who is also looking to score a lot and needs to have the ball in his hands to be effective, over a player who doesn't need the ball at all to be effective?
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djsunyc
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2/24/2009  3:08 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Pharzeone:

I get the feeling that Walsh and D'Antoni would keep Nate and trade Lee if push comes to serve. Just the feeling I get from listening to various media outlets. I think both believe that Lee is more of a product of D'Antoni's system. Listen to the guy miked up when he told Dan Weber you created a "offensive" monster when refering to Lee while he basically says Nate does what he do naturally. I also think both believe they can plug a guy in here that can give you similar stats. If Troy Murphy was a free agent it would get interesting this summer. I also believe that other players around the league feel the same way.

I think if you are going to lure a big time free agent like Lebron, his preference is to play with a Nate. Superstars like him and Kobe have went out their way to praise Nate rather than Lee. Same with coaches.

I think the exact opposite. Lee was a good rebounder before this year and was always good at getting easy baskets near the hoop. His numbers are up but you can't say that he's just a byproduct of the system. Nate on the other hand is in a system where he can shoot as much as he wants and play at a fast pace which fits his game. He's not asked to play defense or run an offense, as he might with most teams.

If you're planning on adding a big time scorer who has the ball in his hands a lot, why would you keep a guy who is also looking to score a lot and needs to have the ball in his hands to be effective, over a player who doesn't need the ball at all to be effective?

the question you are essentially posing is do you sign a player that works really well in the current system or a player that can work in any system. unfortunately tho, sometimes you don't have a choice to pick from.
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2/24/2009  3:52 PM
Here's the thing Briggs. Who's going to have money this Summer? And now who's going to spend that money this Summer instead of holding it for next?

Now that we have that list of teams, which is maybe, Utah, Portland and OKC, there are other players out there like Milsap, Wallace and Warrick that those teams can look at as well.

I don't see where Lee or Nate will have any leverage.

Plus we're in the position to match. So you just let them go out there, find the highest bidder and match whatever the number is.

If the number is too high, you offer to do a sign and trade with the team.

We have to use the asset somehow and leave ourselves room to sign at least one Max player.
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2/24/2009  4:04 PM
Do we have to match the years as well?
It might cosct us 20mm $ to sign both Lee and Nate

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