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Wilson Chandler 2g for the Knicks for the next 10-12 years
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2/21/2009  1:26 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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He's only 21. One thing that he will get better at that he has shown at some points is getting to the foul line using the dribble drive. That's the part of the game he has to continue developing--don't settle for a jumpshot when you can get a layup or dunk.

True. He seems hesitant to drive at times, and the extension off his drive is not always fluid.

I would actually like him to look at the best of Harrington's "drive to the basket" game, and pick up some things from him. Harrington makes foolish decisions at times, but he can go to the basket with either hand and with full extension.

I also think that Chandler can become a much better player in the post if he uses the backboard on a regular basis.

He has made significant improvement on the arch of his jumper, so it is obvious, to me, that he has the head and ability to improve in other areas of his game.

I still don't know if he is a permanent 2g. I see him as more of a swingman, but if I had to put him in one position, it would be SF.

It looks like he has been working with Allan Houston on his jumpshot. I can see some changes in the shot he had last year to his form now. It looks more like Houston's release.

he would do well to emulate Allan Houston's approach to the game & his professional work ethic... let's just hope someone else is teaching him how to play D.
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2/21/2009  1:26 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

The best part about Chandler is his versatility. He didn't play 2G last night. He played basketball.

i coulda sworn he was playing soccer on a few possessions but i'll take your word for it... it's STYLE of play afterall.
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2/21/2009  1:51 PM
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2/21/2009  3:45 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

There are times when he looks great like this and then there are times where you question if this guy will get much better.


Im wondering about that too, But his potential is there, and from what I here so is he's work ethic. So giving the minutes he will produce.
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2/21/2009  8:05 PM
I'd like to see him improve his 3 point shot. I think he can do it. I'd also like to see him develop a back to the basket game for use in certain match-ups.
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2/21/2009  8:10 PM
Posted by Ira:

I'd like to see him improve his 3 point shot. I think he can do it. I'd also like to see him develop a back to the basket game for use in certain match-ups.

he already has post up skills & a pretty nice turn around fadeaway at his disposal, he played PF in college... he's just not being used in that role right now.
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2/21/2009  9:40 PM
How does Isiah draft these guys honestly? I'd love to see copies of his scouting reports.
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2/21/2009  10:46 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

How does Isiah draft these guys honestly? I'd love to see copies of his scouting reports.

Is Isiah responsible for Gallo? that changes everything
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2/21/2009  11:09 PM
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How does Isiah draft these guys honestly? I'd love to see copies of his scouting reports.

Is Isiah responsible for Gallo? that changes everything

No way in hell would Isiah taken Gallo. I remember that kid from Lithuania that the Knicks International scout Kevin Wilson wanted to draft in 05 and Isiah worked out the kid and said his skills wouldn't translate to the NBA. I forget the kid's name, Andriu______ something. He was a top Euro prospect back in 2005.
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2/22/2009  1:22 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

It looks like he has been working with Allan Houston on his jumpshot. I can see some changes in the shot he had last year to his form now. It looks more like Houston's release.

Good call. Pictures for effect:





The way their right hands holds the ball is almost identical. The left hand is not so far off either.
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2/22/2009  2:29 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
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He looks good...the kid can play 3 positions very well. He's a good basketball player. Isiah got him right...David and Nate as well...very nice.

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2/22/2009  4:37 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

How does Isiah draft these guys honestly? I'd love to see copies of his scouting reports.

I gotta admit there's a little irony that people are really excited about a bunch of players Isiah drafted.
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2/22/2009  12:07 PM
Wilson had a very strong pre season and also played well during the first part of the regular season. Then he had a very bad shooting slump followed by a mediocre period. However, he has returned to his best form in the last 11 games. I think the question for Knicks fans is whether the "net" of all that represents his current ability or whether that slump was a downside aberration caused by playing too many minutes too soon, being used at too many positions too fast and not really understanding his role in the new system or something else etc...

We already know that he is athletic, very versatile, plays on both ends of the court, and handles pressure very well. That probably makes him our best "all around" prospect. We also know that despite that horrible shooting slump, he's shooting BETTER this year than last anyway. His FG% is similar to last year, but he's taking way more 3 point shots this year. His FT% is also much better. So there is little doubt he is improving as a shooter. It's just a matter of how much and where his eventual top is.

The good news is that he should be able to improve his FG%, eFG% and TS% further. It should be easy because he still takes a lot of poor shots because of his inexperience. If he also works on his shot and handle again in the off-season, hopefully he'll improve further. If his slump this year was simply a downside aberration, then we already have a good and improving player on our hands.

There are no certainties in sports, but anyone that isn't high on Chandler's long term prospects of becoming a key part of the Knicks future isn't paying attention!!

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2/22/2009  12:31 PM
Posted by 30andOverClub:
Posted by BRIGGS:

It looks like he has been working with Allan Houston on his jumpshot. I can see some changes in the shot he had last year to his form now. It looks more like Houston's release.

Good call. Pictures for effect:





The way their right hands holds the ball is almost identical. The left hand is not so far off either.

It's not about their right hands, it's about their right elbows. Chandler's elbow isn't under the ball enough which means less range and less control.

Houston's elbow is much more parallel with his body.

Chandler has the form of a streaky shooter. Houston has the form of a very good shooter.
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2/22/2009  4:43 PM
He looked good today.
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2/23/2009  7:44 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by 30andOverClub:
Posted by BRIGGS:

It looks like he has been working with Allan Houston on his jumpshot. I can see some changes in the shot he had last year to his form now. It looks more like Houston's release.

Good call. Pictures for effect:





The way their right hands holds the ball is almost identical. The left hand is not so far off either.

It's not about their right hands, it's about their right elbows. Chandler's elbow isn't under the ball enough which means less range and less control.

Houston's elbow is much more parallel with his body.

Chandler has the form of a streaky shooter. Houston has the form of a very good shooter.

Chandler has form issues with his shot and of course that leads to his inconsistency. He is inconsistent with his ball placement and is also inconsistent with his body balance. Often times he is not straight up and down. He kicks his legs out, or will lean back on his shot. You can only fix this with repitition. Hope he keeps working.
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2/23/2009  9:38 AM
I think this is something that should really be looked at one of the reasons the hughes deal didn't need to be made. Wilcox was a nice addition, but taking minutes away from guys we are trying to build around isn't a great idea. Gallo isn't ready, but we aren't ready to make the playoffs and doing so is counter productive. We need assets in case we need to give those up to get max players.

Let him take his lumps he is willing to learn and improve and his ceiling truly is a fringe allstar talent when combined with nate and lee there are some serious blocks to attract players.
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2/23/2009  10:06 AM
Wilson is starting to look over his shoulder. If Gallo lost his job you can damn be sure Wilson is next. Management is creating some false playoff push in their minds because they think they are so close to making the playoffs. What they have forgotten is they are close to the playoffs because Chandler and Gallo have helped put them into that situation they are part of the solution to get you in the position.

Management is selling out. They have basically told the true fans to piss off we are making a play off push and that means the vets have priority it mean rebuilding is not a priority. Right now Chandler and Gallo are not a priority. They aren't part of the plan.

D'Antoni get your head out of your azz. There is no way anyone can justify playing Hughes over Gallo and Chandler at this point in the season and at this point in the two players development. These players are part of the future plan of the Knicks for a player who isn't part of the plan Larry Hughes isn't part of the plan, he hasn't done anything this season to get priority over them it is a shame and a sham.

Now that the Knicks have Lee, Nate, Chandler and Gallo this is the NYK core, you don't mess with that.
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2/23/2009  10:23 AM
Posted by Vmart:

Wilson is starting to look over his shoulder. If Gallo lost his job you can damn be sure Wilson is next. Management is creating some false playoff push in their minds because they think they are so close to making the playoffs. What they have forgotten is they are close to the playoffs because Chandler and Gallo have helped put them into that situation they are part of the solution to get you in the position.

Management is selling out. They have basically told the true fans to piss off we are making a play off push and that means the vets have priority it mean rebuilding is not a priority. Right now Chandler and Gallo are not a priority. They aren't part of the plan.

D'Antoni get your head out of your azz. There is no way anyone can justify playing Hughes over Gallo and Chandler at this point in the season and at this point in the two players development. These players are part of the future plan of the Knicks for a player who isn't part of the plan Larry Hughes isn't part of the plan, he hasn't done anything this season to get priority over them it is a shame and a sham.

Now that the Knicks have Lee, Nate, Chandler and Gallo this is the NYK core, you don't mess with that.

you get this from 1 game? LOL
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2/23/2009  10:23 AM
Chandler has one outstanding game and he's the 2G for the future.

He has one bad game and it's the acquisition of Larry Hughes that caused it?

Come'on now.

Wilson Chandler is not a starting 2 Guard. He can play spot minutes there but his primary position is the 3 and he has looked very good backing up the 4 earlier in the year.

I don't know where anyone is trying to go with this campaign for Chandler to be the Knicks starting 2 guard. Let alone now blame his horrid performance last night on "now he's looking over his shoulder worried about his job." What job? He started 2 games there lol. Is he insanely mentally fragile that knowing Hughes was going to get minutes had him nervously SUCK all night long? Really?

Maybe, just maybe, the Raptors didn't want him crapping all over them like he did 2 nights ago when they didn't even seem to realize he was on the court? Decided to defend him yesterday? And did?

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