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I like the Wilcox trade but don't like the Huges trade after thinking about it
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NumberTwoPencil
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2/19/2009  4:35 PM
Still. In. Shock.

James is gone? Jerome James is no longer a Knick?

The only thing that comes to mind so far: The Bulls are back!

I'm going to step away from my computer and eat a little snack, maybe a half dozen BigMacs and a couple of supersized fries, while I think this one over.

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2/19/2009  4:36 PM
Wilcox played only 2 games this year with more than 30 minutes


36 minutes against GS 23 points 9 rebounds 2 blocks 4 steals 2 assists 9/16

30 minutes against Minn 21 points 7 rebounds 3 assists 8/13

I think he can be really good here--a surprise type player. the one thing about Wilcox is he is a walking injury. Need to keep him healthy. I would say that Wilcox will be an upgrade but change some dynamics in place with Lee and Hughes will be a non issue--he won't give us anything better than Q Rich and we lost Tim Thomas who atleast had some size.


Will see--if Wilcox comes in and chemistry works out--we should be improved enough to make a run at the playoffs. Whatever that means
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2/19/2009  4:39 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:

Just not a big Hughes fan. Just another Crawford like player. But getting rid of Jerome and freeing up the roster spot is all worth it.

This is going to lead to unrest. You have Q Rich Chandler Nate Hughes Duhon for basically two positions if we consider Harringtons' going to get 38 at SF. I cant imagine taking 1 minute from Nate or Chandler because they are vastly superior to Hughes. So we will haev a pirsed off Q Rich for the next 1.5 years. I heard Hughes as back up PG--did anyone just watch Nate play PG? this is just going to be a big fight for PT and pirsed off players. Hughes is not a good team player--there is a reason why he is traded yearly and then banned to the bench after they get what they have. I don't care --but the players will.
Chandler and QRich play most of their minutes at the 3.

We have a pretty balanced 9 man rotation

Duhon/Nate/Hughes guards
Q/Chandler/Harrington wings
Lee/Wilcox post
sprinkle in some Gallo/JJ to fight for the 9th spot.

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2/19/2009  4:41 PM
What if he plays well? What if we trade him in the offseason? This guy in 04-05 averaged 22 pts, 6 rbds, 5 assts. Imagine a D'Antoni revival that makes his expiring deal worth it enough to somebody to take on a Jeffries or Curry. You just never know.

And Jerome James is no longer a Knick. Thank you. Totally worth it right there.
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2/19/2009  4:45 PM
maybe i'm hallucinating, but i think larry hughes in an up tempo system is gonna be fun. that guy can be a real tough defender, too. but i am thinking back to his wizards days, not his days as a Bull or Cav.
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2/19/2009  4:46 PM
Posted by toodarkmark:

This guy in 04-05 averaged 22 pts, 6 rbds, 5 assts.

3 steals that season, too.
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2/19/2009  5:29 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:

Just not a big Hughes fan. Just another Crawford like player. But getting rid of Jerome and freeing up the roster spot is all worth it.

This is going to lead to unrest. You have Q Rich Chandler Nate Hughes Duhon for basically two positions if we consider Harringtons' going to get 38 at SF. I cant imagine taking 1 minute from Nate or Chandler because they are vastly superior to Hughes. So we will haev a pirsed off Q Rich for the next 1.5 years. I heard Hughes as back up PG--did anyone just watch Nate play PG? this is just going to be a big fight for PT and pirsed off players. Hughes is not a good team player--there is a reason why he is traded yearly and then banned to the bench after they get what they have. I don't care --but the players will.

Hmmm -- I don't see things this way at all.

Al Harrington is a SF -- he hasn't played that position regularly in years. I see Al as an off the bench PF or a starting PF along side Lee. I'd bring Al off the bench.

Chandler is a SF on this team who might see limited minutes at the 2G on occasion depending on match-ups.

The backcourt will be Duhon, Hughes and Nate -- with Q getting some minor minutes depending on the situation.

I see Duhon, Hughes, Chandler, Lee and Wilcox -- with Nate, Al & Gallo (maybe Jefferies off the bench). I think Q is odd man out and Jefferies potentially as well.

Hughes is a far superior option to Q at the 2.
Wilcox is a far superior option at back-up PF or center than Tim Thomas.

What's not to like about these trades -- are you actually saying you want Roberson, TT, JJ and Malik back -- they offered NOTHING.

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2/19/2009  5:34 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Vmart:

Just not a big Hughes fan. Just another Crawford like player. But getting rid of Jerome and freeing up the roster spot is all worth it.

This is going to lead to unrest. You have Q Rich Chandler Nate Hughes Duhon for basically two positions if we consider Harringtons' going to get 38 at SF. I cant imagine taking 1 minute from Nate or Chandler because they are vastly superior to Hughes. So we will haev a pirsed off Q Rich for the next 1.5 years. I heard Hughes as back up PG--did anyone just watch Nate play PG? this is just going to be a big fight for PT and pirsed off players. Hughes is not a good team player--there is a reason why he is traded yearly and then banned to the bench after they get what they have. I don't care --but the players will.

Hmmm -- I don't see things this way at all.

Al Harrington is a SF -- he hasn't played that position regularly in years. I see Al as an off the bench PF or a starting PF along side Lee. I'd bring Al off the bench.

Chandler is a SF on this team who might see limited minutes at the 2G on occasion depending on match-ups.

The backcourt will be Duhon, Hughes and Nate -- with Q getting some minor minutes depending on the situation.

I see Duhon, Hughes, Chandler, Lee and Wilcox -- with Nate, Al & Gallo (maybe Jefferies off the bench). I think Q is odd man out and Jefferies potentially as well.

Hughes is a far superior option to Q at the 2.
Wilcox is a far superior option at back-up PF or center than Tim Thomas.

What's not to like about these trades -- are you actually saying you want Roberson, TT, JJ and Malik back -- they offered NOTHING.

Harrington and Chandler are vastly superior to Hughes--there is no question. Chandler is the starting 2 guard and Harrington 3--gives us great size in the starting 5. Hughes is a bench player at this point, I think people have to swallow that Chandler is a 2G with darn good potential to be a 20 a night scorer from that position. We can mix and match but you start the game out big and strong.
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2/19/2009  5:58 PM
You realize the 1st game Larry Hughes is available he will probably start at the 2 and Wilson will be at the 3.

That will mean that Mike D doesn't agree with your notion that Wilson is a 2 (he's not dude he's a 3 who can play the 2 on occasion) and Al is a 3 (he's not dude he can't defend the 4 let alone the 3).

I will go with Mike D'Antoni's understanding of each players best positions and I tend to think Hughes will start at the 2 and Wilson the 3 (or Q but not AL).

What does starting out strong mean anyway -- its basketball NOT wrestling.

I think Mike will be smart enough to keep Al and Hughes off the court for long stretches. Best balanced starting 5 = Duhon, Hughes, Wilson, Lee and Wilcox. A far improvement over our squad prior to today.
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2/19/2009  6:04 PM
Posted by LivingLegend:

You realize the 1st game Larry Hughes is available he will probably start at the 2 and Wilson will be at the 3.

That will mean that Mike D doesn't agree with your notion that Wilson is a 2 (he's not dude he's a 3 who can play the 2 on occasion) and Al is a 3 (he's not dude he can't defend the 4 let alone the 3).

I will go with Mike D'Antoni's understanding of each players best positions and I tend to think Hughes will start at the 2 and Wilson the 3 (or Q but not AL).

What does starting out strong mean anyway -- its basketball NOT wrestling.

I think Mike will be smart enough to keep Al and Hughes off the court for long stretches. Best balanced starting 5 = Duhon, Hughes, Wilson, Lee and Wilcox. A far improvement over our squad prior to today.

Again Larry Hughes has not played basketball in two months as he was banned from the Bulls rotation. He shores up the bench spot on the wing. He is NOT better than Chandler or Harrington. Chandler is a wing guard 2-3 whatever--he can shoot it drive plays good D rebounds and he has great size for the position.
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2/19/2009  6:12 PM
To me adding Hughes==very very little of help to make playoffs. He will help depth and upgrades Q a bit. teh downside is Q will not like no PT and that can and will cause problems.

Adding Wilcox potential adds an impact player who CAN help us get to the playoffs and if he plays at a high level we can do some damage if we can get to the 7rh seed.
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2/19/2009  7:08 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

To me adding Hughes==very very little of help to make playoffs. He will help depth and upgrades Q a bit. teh downside is Q will not like no PT and that can and will cause problems.

Adding Wilcox potential adds an impact player who CAN help us get to the playoffs and if he plays at a high level we can do some damage if we can get to the 7rh seed.


Q isn't the ball handler Hughes is. Besides Knicks have been dealing with problems all season with Marbury what is a little Q problem anyway. He will get PT. I would rather have a player capable of playing some rather watch Jerome take up bench space.
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2/19/2009  8:25 PM
I think I'll just wait a couple of weeks. BRIGGs will be loving the Hughes trade by then.
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2/19/2009  8:25 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I think I'll just wait a couple of weeks. BRIGGs will be loving the Hughes trade by then.

LOL. Couple weeks? Try a couple minutes.
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2/19/2009  8:36 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I think I'll just wait a couple of weeks. BRIGGs will be loving the Hughes trade by then.

I don't dislike the trade--I don't think it's a big deal. Youre swapping Tim Thomas for Hughes--pretty much a wash. You do get rid of deadwood in both of these trades and picked up a possible impact player in Wilcox. the downside is strife that may be caused with Hughes and Q Rich. Thats it
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2/19/2009  8:49 PM
I thought there was some rule about not being allowed trade an injured player? Am I just wrong about this, or how did we get to trade the injured JJ?
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2/19/2009  9:25 PM
Posted by markvmc:

I thought there was some rule about not being allowed trade an injured player? Am I just wrong about this, or how did we get to trade the injured JJ?

JJ isn't injured. He's permanently like that.
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2/19/2009  9:43 PM
knicks could make the postseason - probably will make the postseason...so a non lotto 2009 pick should be used with cash to jump up in the draft or used in a trade to dump jeffries deal.
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2/19/2009  11:04 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by BasketballJones:

I think I'll just wait a couple of weeks. BRIGGs will be loving the Hughes trade by then.

I don't dislike the trade--I don't think it's a big deal. Youre swapping Tim Thomas for Hughes--pretty much a wash. You do get rid of deadwood in both of these trades and picked up a possible impact player in Wilcox. the downside is strife that may be caused with Hughes and Q Rich. Thats it
The difference between Hughes and Thomas is position. The knicks are weak at guard and loaded at foward. It also opens up more minutes for Gallo. At worst it balances the team better. It really was a no brainer- you gave up nothing to get someone that possibly can fill a void. I definately want to give nate alot of minutes but Q can't play SG and I'm not sure the coach views chandler a guard yet.

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2/20/2009  4:36 AM
Larry Hughes is Jamal Crawford without the talent and desire. Lebron wanted this guy gone in the worst way and so did most of the Bulls players.
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I like the Wilcox trade but don't like the Huges trade after thinking about it

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