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2/19/2009  5:41 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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Wilcox is a good deal. Hughes Im more skeptical about--he's been bad for years and he hasnt played in awhile. If this takes away from Chandler or Nates time--it could backfire.

one thing about Hughes - the last time he was near a contract year he played his butt off. he's only 29. maybe he'll play his butt off for one last contract and a chance to save his career.

22pts 6rebs 5asts 3stls. he plays extremely well in up tempo games. he's not a shooter, but a slasher, something we kinda need more of. i think he'll be a good fit, provided his head is on straight - hey, it's a better situation for him than Chicago.

He's going to play limited minutes off the bench--how or where will he get 30 minutes from? He wont because better players are in front of him. Wilcox --people are going to be shocked how good he is--this was the NBA tradeline steal if he is healthy. Wilcox could be an instant impact player--Hughes can shore up the bench

Honestly when NO did the deal for Chandler I thought they got the better end with Smitha dn Wilcox by a mile.
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2/19/2009  5:43 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Wilcox is a good deal. Hughes Im more skeptical about--he's been bad for years and he hasnt played in awhile. If this takes away from Chandler or Nates time--it could backfire.

one thing about Hughes - the last time he was near a contract year he played his butt off. he's only 29. maybe he'll play his butt off for one last contract and a chance to save his career.

22pts 6rebs 5asts 3stls. he plays extremely well in up tempo games. he's not a shooter, but a slasher, something we kinda need more of. i think he'll be a good fit, provided his head is on straight - hey, it's a better situation for him than Chicago.

He's going to play limited minutes off the bench--how or where will he get 30 minutes from? He wont because better players are in front of him. Wilcox --people are going to be shocked how good he is--this was the NBA tradeline steal if he is healthy. Wilcox could be an instant impact player--Hughes can shore up the bench

Honestly when NO did the deal for Chandler I thought they got the better end with Smitha dn Wilcox by a mile.

Briggs Hughes is our instant starting 2 guard-his best position. Under what circumstances is he coming off the bench?
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2/19/2009  5:57 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:
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Wilcox is a good deal. Hughes Im more skeptical about--he's been bad for years and he hasnt played in awhile. If this takes away from Chandler or Nates time--it could backfire.

one thing about Hughes - the last time he was near a contract year he played his butt off. he's only 29. maybe he'll play his butt off for one last contract and a chance to save his career.

22pts 6rebs 5asts 3stls. he plays extremely well in up tempo games. he's not a shooter, but a slasher, something we kinda need more of. i think he'll be a good fit, provided his head is on straight - hey, it's a better situation for him than Chicago.

He's going to play limited minutes off the bench--how or where will he get 30 minutes from? He wont because better players are in front of him. Wilcox --people are going to be shocked how good he is--this was the NBA tradeline steal if he is healthy. Wilcox could be an instant impact player--Hughes can shore up the bench

Honestly when NO did the deal for Chandler I thought they got the better end with Smitha dn Wilcox by a mile.

Briggs Hughes is our instant starting 2 guard-his best position. Under what circumstances is he coming off the bench?

If we want to lose he will be. Chandler has earned the starting 2 slot. Hughes hasnt even played basketball in two months.
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2/19/2009  8:15 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:
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Wilcox is a good deal. Hughes Im more skeptical about--he's been bad for years and he hasnt played in awhile. If this takes away from Chandler or Nates time--it could backfire.

one thing about Hughes - the last time he was near a contract year he played his butt off. he's only 29. maybe he'll play his butt off for one last contract and a chance to save his career.

22pts 6rebs 5asts 3stls. he plays extremely well in up tempo games. he's not a shooter, but a slasher, something we kinda need more of. i think he'll be a good fit, provided his head is on straight - hey, it's a better situation for him than Chicago.

He's going to play limited minutes off the bench--how or where will he get 30 minutes from? He wont because better players are in front of him. Wilcox --people are going to be shocked how good he is--this was the NBA tradeline steal if he is healthy. Wilcox could be an instant impact player--Hughes can shore up the bench

Honestly when NO did the deal for Chandler I thought they got the better end with Smitha dn Wilcox by a mile.

Briggs Hughes is our instant starting 2 guard-his best position. Under what circumstances is he coming off the bench?

If we want to lose he will be. Chandler has earned the starting 2 slot. Hughes hasnt even played basketball in two months.

I said before that I saw Wilson as a big 2 (like Maggette or Q 6 years ago), but it is obvious Mike D sees him as a SF/PF.
Posted by joec32033:

I really think I can see Wilson as a 2 or a 3 a la a guy like Maggette or a young Q. I know he is a bit taller than them, but I really think I like him there. With Jamal just being a warm body out there I can see our best lineup being

Zach
Lee
Q/Chandler
Chandler/Q
Nate-P.S. I don't like Nate as a starter but he may be the best PG we have. I still think I would have rather had a guy like Jarrett Jack over Duhon, or I can can see us trading for a PG this season.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 15 October 2008 09:15]

Personally I think that Wilson needs to perfect that outside shot and develop some 3 point range before he can even be considered a starting caliber 2.
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2/19/2009  8:17 PM
wilcox at CP wasnt starting till late and then had some decent games in the ncaa's. i dont recall him playing much as a freshman.

http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/2002_draft/Players/wilcox.shtml
pretty good cover of what his probs are...
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2/19/2009  8:22 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Wilcox is a bust and he wasn't drafted as an athletic defender. Coming out of Maryland this guy was suppose to be huge. His offensive game never developed to a point where he was consistent. He shown flashes during his contract year but faded soon after.

Even though he's a bust, that doesn't mean the style he plays doesn't fit here. I think he can be pretty effective.
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2/19/2009  8:26 PM
Yes. he likes to sleep. So what?
A lot of people like to sleep... late.
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2/19/2009  9:57 PM
he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.
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2/19/2009  9:58 PM
Posted by TMS:

he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg
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2/19/2009  10:05 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

17 & 11 is way optimistic IMO... i'm expecting something along the lines of 13 & 9, especially if D Lee is still here for the rest of the season.
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2/19/2009  10:06 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

IF he keeps his focus. he hasnt been able to do that (focus) in the pros, and didnt in college.
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2/19/2009  10:10 PM
Posted by TMS:
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he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

17 & 11 is way optimistic IMO... i'm expecting something along the lines of 13 & 9, especially if D Lee is still here for the rest of the season.

Maybe I am being a bit to optimistic but this guy shoots a very high FG% and he gets his points in many of the same ways Lee does. And he has a better shot to boot.
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2/19/2009  10:17 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

17 & 11 is way optimistic IMO... i'm expecting something along the lines of 13 & 9, especially if D Lee is still here for the rest of the season.

Maybe I am being a bit to optimistic but this guy shoots a very high FG% and he gets his points in many of the same ways Lee does. And he has a better shot to boot.

stop saying "to boot"... that's my line douchebag.
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2/19/2009  10:17 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

17 & 11 is way optimistic IMO... i'm expecting something along the lines of 13 & 9, especially if D Lee is still here for the rest of the season.

Maybe I am being a bit to optimistic but this guy shoots a very high FG% and he gets his points in many of the same ways Lee does. And he has a better shot to boot.

stop saying "to boot"... that's my line douchebag.

Stop acting like a baby.
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2/19/2009  10:20 PM
Well, overall, outstanding trades by the Knicks. We've improved by adding two starter-caliber talents for essentially nothing. They'll help shore up our quality depth at guard and the big-man positions.

I'm curious if anyone here would mind if Wilcox took *ALL* of Jared Jeffries' minutes.

While I like having the slightly older version of Jamal Crawford (Hughes) on our team from a talent perspective, I'm worried if he's take away minutes from Robinson. I know that a number of folks on this forum aren't big fans of Nate - but I think when you hand him the ball with big minutes, he produces numbers like vintage Allen Iverson. I think that's unmistakable. Whether people like that style of game or not, that's debatable (it seems like the majority here obsess over the pass-first PG concept).

In any event, I wouldn't mind if Hughes took away all of Q-Rich and Roberson's minutes. :) We'll still want to keep 15mpg for the Gallo.
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2/19/2009  10:25 PM
I think when you hand him the ball with big minutes, he produces numbers like vintage Allen Iverson

vintage Allen Iverson statlines look like 42 pts. / 15 assists / 5 steals & that's not just a freak occurence either... Nate might be able to put up a game or 2 like that during the course of the year but let's not get crazy here meng.
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2/19/2009  10:27 PM
Posted by TMS:
I think when you hand him the ball with big minutes, he produces numbers like vintage Allen Iverson

vintage Allen Iverson statlines look like 42 pts. / 15 assists / 5 steals & that's not just a freak occurence either... Nate might be able to put up a game or 2 like that during the course of the year but let's not get crazy here meng.

Totally agree. Vintage Allen Iverson is insane.
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2/20/2009  8:52 AM
I think its the right time and right place for Wilcox- even if you shave off a little more than 20% from his per 36 min averages which I posted on the first page, you come up with a little over 12 pts and 7 rebounds. I think Wilcox will average at least that much with the Knicks.
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2/20/2009  10:09 AM
Nate, Marbury, Iverson all can put up stats, but its the wins that count.
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2/20/2009  1:36 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

he's an upgrade over Turd, for whatever that's worth... he's not horrible but don't expect this guy to make much of a difference... think Nazr Mohammed.

Disagree bro. This guy is better than Nazr. This offense fits what he does on the court. If he's given 30mpg I'm seeing 17ppg/11rpg

Yikes. That's an outlandish prediction. That's past sipping the kool aid... maybe chugging?

Seriously why don't we just wait and see. He's a decent player and this may be the right system for him, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I think most people would be happy with him putting up 12 and 7.

Besides, the worst thing that could happen would be if Wilcox has a monster second half. Then we can't get him on the cheap if we truly decide we want to keep him.
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