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2/18/2009  11:01 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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I'd want Aldridge too, but him for Lee straight up has no chance of happening

Is Aldridge really that great? I haven't seen him play much but stat wise, Lee absolutely destroys him. Aldridge is barely HALF the rebounder Lee is.

I would Aldridge is better then Lee. He is on the the David West plan and he is better year two then West was. 20-9 or 10 is definitely in Aldridges future and that is without being in Lees position with Mike'Ds offense plus no front court players..

So Aldridge's upside involves getting 4 more PPG (probably at a much lower FG% than Lee's) and 3 less RPG than what Lee is getting right now?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-18-2009 10:44 AM]

No... you can't just do a numbers analysis here... Lee is producing as a PF, but we can't reach consensus if he's part of the future or not. Aldridge is long and mobile (which would benefit the offense and defense), runs well, and would absolutely be part of the long term plans as a consensus here. Bottom line, he's not a number one, but is absolutely a building block... a title people don't want to give Lee
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2/18/2009  11:03 AM
Posted by LivingLegend:
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Sign David Lee long term unless you get an unbelievable package--and I mean something like Anthony Randolph Belinnelli and a GS unrestricted 1 in 2009

I like that one but doesn't seem reasonable considering the 09 unrestricted you threw in there.

I like Bayless, Outlaw and a #1 for Lee.

or

Bayless, LeFrentz and #1 for Lee and Curry (moving Eddy would feel so nice).

I was going to add that the only package I give up for Lee to POR is if we include Curry.
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2/18/2009  11:04 AM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Sign David Lee long term unless you get an unbelievable package--and I mean something like Anthony Randolph Belinnelli and a GS unrestricted 1 in 2009

I like that one but doesn't seem reasonable considering the 09 unrestricted you threw in there.

I like Bayless, Outlaw and a #1 for Lee.

or

Bayless, LeFrentz and #1 for Lee and Curry (moving Eddy would feel so nice).

I'd take either on of those deals in a heartbeat.

If the knicks ever got out Outlaw, he would average 20 points. I like the kids game alot. He would make Harrington and Gallo or Chandler so replaceable it isn't even funny.
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2/18/2009  11:06 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Anji:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'd want Aldridge too, but him for Lee straight up has no chance of happening

Is Aldridge really that great? I haven't seen him play much but stat wise, Lee absolutely destroys him. Aldridge is barely HALF the rebounder Lee is.

I would Aldridge is better then Lee. He is on the the David West plan and he is better year two then West was. 20-9 or 10 is definitely in Aldridges future and that is without being in Lees position with Mike'Ds offense plus no front court players..

So Aldridge's upside involves getting 4 more PPG (probably at a much lower FG% than Lee's) and 3 less RPG than what Lee is getting right now?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-18-2009 10:44 AM]

No... you can't just do a numbers analysis here... Lee is producing as a PF, but we can't reach consensus if he's part of the future or not. Aldridge is long and mobile (which would benefit the offense and defense), runs well, and would absolutely be part of the long term plans as a consensus here. Bottom line, he's not a number one, but is absolutely a building block... a title people don't want to give Lee
I haven't seen Aldridge much but his rebounding and shot-blocking actually look BAD for a tall, long big man and his scoring is mediocre. Nothing in the box score is impressing me AND the crucial thing is that it does not look like he's improved in any phase of the game from last year.
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2/18/2009  11:08 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Anji:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'd want Aldridge too, but him for Lee straight up has no chance of happening

Is Aldridge really that great? I haven't seen him play much but stat wise, Lee absolutely destroys him. Aldridge is barely HALF the rebounder Lee is.

I would Aldridge is better then Lee. He is on the the David West plan and he is better year two then West was. 20-9 or 10 is definitely in Aldridges future and that is without being in Lees position with Mike'Ds offense plus no front court players..

So Aldridge's upside involves getting 4 more PPG (probably at a much lower FG% than Lee's) and 3 less RPG than what Lee is getting right now?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-18-2009 10:44 AM]

No... you can't just do a numbers analysis here... Lee is producing as a PF, but we can't reach consensus if he's part of the future or not. Aldridge is long and mobile (which would benefit the offense and defense), runs well, and would absolutely be part of the long term plans as a consensus here. Bottom line, he's not a number one, but is absolutely a building block... a title people don't want to give Lee
Aldridge is a go to player, and I have serious doubts Lee can put up these numbers with even one addition of a Scorer at any position. Aldridge is getting 17 points and 6-7 boards with Oden/Pryzy in the paint and Roy with the ball often as the teams number 1 option.

Lee was getting 10/7 with Zach and JC.

Not even a contest IMO.


[Edited by - anji on 02-18-2009 11:09 AM]
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2/18/2009  11:19 AM
^^^
That's a legit analysis to a point. The defense adds to Aldridge's value. I don't know how fast he is getting back. Maybe that's one in Lee's column.

Lee is a great fit with Duhon in the pick and roll that Nash and Amare used to do.

Can Aldridge do that? Can he pass out of the double team if we're posting him up? That was always the problem with having ZBo and Curry as the feature in our offense.
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2/18/2009  11:23 AM
Aldridge is soft, his rebounding is weak and his turnovers are high. He's a good scorer but that's about it- I'd rather have Lee. Lee's offensive output isn't really that far off.
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2/18/2009  11:37 AM
Oden is no better at passing ball right now(I think he'll better) then Curry/Zach was.

But I don't think you can say Lee is better than these players who have to actually play with people that need the ball. If Aldridge was a knicks, I definitely think he would be a 20 plus scorer and a 9 or 10 rebound guy.
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2/18/2009  11:41 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Sign David Lee long term unless you get an unbelievable package--and I mean something like Anthony Randolph Belinnelli and a GS unrestricted 1 in 2009

exactly.. that would be maximizing lee's value..
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2/18/2009  11:46 AM
Posted by LivingLegend:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Sign David Lee long term unless you get an unbelievable package--and I mean something like Anthony Randolph Belinnelli and a GS unrestricted 1 in 2009

I like that one but doesn't seem reasonable considering the 09 unrestricted you threw in there.

I like Bayless, Outlaw and a #1 for Lee.

or

Bayless, LeFrentz and #1 for Lee and Curry (moving Eddy would feel so nice).

To me Lee is an all star--proven. I put him on a very high level--especially considering we have no one to replace him with. Randolph barely plays for GS Belinelli doesnt and I need a pick--perhaps restricted for the top pick only. Lee makes that team awesome without giving anything that is in their core. Taking back Randolph is critical because he can rebound. Jerryd Bayless as of now is just another smallish guard since the emergence of Nate--he is less valuable to me. In other words I only want a young big man another prospect plus a pick that is very good. Otherwise Ill keep him. We don't have to trade him so I want nothing less than a very compelling deal. Bayless Outlaw and pick 23 isnt doing it for me--no way.
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2/18/2009  11:49 AM
Outlaw and Rodriguez are rumored to be going to NJ for Carter. It sounds like something is going to happen in Portland but I don't think I would trade Lee for what is being offered.
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2/18/2009  11:54 AM
Why would the Blazers trade for Carter when they have Brandon Roy?
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2/18/2009  12:05 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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walsh is 100% invested in the 2010 plan. in fact, i think his target is TWO free agents but i'm not sure if both are in 2010 or the 2nd one is coming in 2011. signing lee removes the 2010 two free agent plan but keeps the 2011 plan in place.

imho, lee re-signs for 5 years $50 and the knicks will try for one free agent in 2010 and one in 2011. re-signing nate is 50/50 right now...and i think they're leaning towards moving him.

that is a very reasonable analysis DJ, makes a lot of sense.. I agree..

Unless a team offers Lee 65 mm over 5

Thats when sign and trade him.

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2/18/2009  12:09 PM
If Aldridge is so good, why does Portland want Lee?

I mean, they have Oden & Aldridge up front. What more do they need?
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2/18/2009  12:10 PM
They called him the "perfect 6th man"......... they don't see him as a proven Allstar.
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2/18/2009  12:17 PM
No thanks for Albridge for Lee. He doesn't play defense and he's a lesser rebounder. We don't need to deal Lee to Portland. It's GS that has guys that I want. Sacratomato too.
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2/18/2009  12:19 PM
Posted by franco12:

If Aldridge is so good, why does Portland want Lee?

I mean, they have Oden & Aldridge up front. What more do they need?

they want a 3 big rotation of Oden, Aldridge, Lee.
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2/18/2009  12:35 PM
To me Lee is an all star--proven. I put him on a very high level--especially considering we have no one to replace him with. Randolph barely plays for GS Belinelli doesnt and I need a pick--perhaps restricted for the top pick only. Lee makes that team awesome without giving anything that is in their core. Taking back Randolph is critical because he can rebound. Jerryd Bayless as of now is just another smallish guard since the emergence of Nate--he is less valuable to me. In other words I only want a young big man another prospect plus a pick that is very good. Otherwise Ill keep him. We don't have to trade him so I want nothing less than a very compelling deal. Bayless Outlaw and pick 23 isnt doing it for me--no way.

Unless they take back Curry or at least JJ2, then the package is very attractive.
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2/18/2009  12:35 PM
With Lee developing that jumper he is getting tougher and tougher to guard. With the pick and role if the opponent presses then he can put the ball on the floor and finish with either hand. If the opponent sags off then he can now hit that jumper. He is only getting better. Not to mention he is a glass cleaner.

I would rather resign him go after one free agent in 2010 and one in 2011 like DJ brought up. That would be the responsible thing to do. Then there is Nate...

David Lee for Bayless, Outlaw and 2 first rd picks I would do though. We wouldn't need to dump Jeffries with Lee gone so Id rather have the picks. Outlaw could be sold seperatly down the road while D'Antoni boost up his value by *inflating his stats*. Bayless could provide guard depth while Duhon fights his injuries and possibly traded away in the offseason. With Lee gone we would lose the majority of our remaining games and have a shot at Thabeet or Greg Monroe from Georgetown.

That or Lee & Nate for Aldridge & Bayless(not that im high on Bayless but I think Aldride would but a 25pt scorer under D'Antoni)
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2/18/2009  12:40 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by franco12:

If Aldridge is so good, why does Portland want Lee?

I mean, they have Oden & Aldridge up front. What more do they need?

they want a 3 big rotation of Oden, Aldridge, Lee.

Still doesn't make any sense- we saw that with Zach & Curry- there just aren't enough minutes. If Oden & Aldridge are so good, they should be getting 36 minutes each which leaves 24 minutes for Lee, who will want $10mm. That seems expensive.

Of course, maybe they're worried that Oden is a bust, which I would believe.
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