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Bippity10
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2/18/2009  11:29 AM
this is why we traded Zach so quickly. His trade value can rise and fall in a heartbeat
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2/18/2009  11:35 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

this is why we traded Zach so quickly. His trade value can rise and fall in a heartbeat

...and it's mostly the fall part that worries everyone. Rise? By my accounting, it has happened for about a 2 month period at the beginning of this year over a 5 year timespan.
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2/18/2009  12:46 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by K22:

They got this GIF QUICK. I'm sure this will be on youtube in an hour or two.



Sucker punch. Yeah, Z-Bo's gonna be out for a couple games.

[Edited by - K22 on 2009-02-17 10:54 PM]
I'm sorry, but when you get in another man's face close enough to kiss him and you get hit its not a sucker punch.

You don't knock someone in the face when they stand in your face for two micro seconds, after you literally just walked on him.

There's no way around it. What Zach did was be a punk and thug in that instance.
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2/18/2009  4:05 PM
2 game suspension.

$260K+ in game salary.

[Edited by - K22 on 2009-02-18 4:09 PM]
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2/18/2009  4:13 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by K22:

They got this GIF QUICK. I'm sure this will be on youtube in an hour or two.



Sucker punch. Yeah, Z-Bo's gonna be out for a couple games.

[Edited by - K22 on 2009-02-17 10:54 PM]
I'm sorry, but when you get in another man's face close enough to kiss him and you get hit its not a sucker punch.

You don't knock someone in the face when they stand in your face for two micro seconds, after you literally just walked on him.

There's no way around it. What Zach did was be a punk and thug in that instance.

Agreed... I don't think its a suckerpunch, I just think it's tasteless, classless, and dumb as hell
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2/18/2009  4:15 PM
Oh please, he punched another grown man in the face in the heat of battle, stop making it out that he punted a newborn baby across the room or something.

I'm sure that other cat, whatever the hell his name is, was completely innocent and is as pure as the driven snow.
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2/18/2009  5:04 PM
Tell it to Kermit Washington and Rudy Tomjanovich. A punch can mess up your life.


"Despite Tomjanovich's noteworthy career as a player, he is perhaps best remembered for an infamous incident that occurred at the height of his playing career. In a December 9, 1977 game, the Los Angeles Lakers' Kermit Washington threw a brutal punch during an on-court melee which struck Tomjanovich. The blow shattered the bones of Tomjanovich's jaw and face and inflicted life-threatening head injuries, leaving him sidelined for five months....
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2/18/2009  5:06 PM
Thats not fair, BJ.

So everyone that throws a punch in their life has to be held hostage by the spector of Kermit Washington? That was a freak occurance.
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2/18/2009  5:18 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Thats not fair, BJ.

So everyone that throws a punch in their life has to be held hostage by the spector of Kermit Washington? That was a freak occurance.

Not everyone, just Zach.

Seriously though, a lot of these guys are in much better shape than most guys. They can do damage with a punch. Zachs a pretty big guy if I recall correctly.

It's not like if you and I had a fight. You'd be crying like a little girl, but you wouldn't be permanently damaged.
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2/18/2009  5:24 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by K22:

They got this GIF QUICK. I'm sure this will be on youtube in an hour or two.



Sucker punch. Yeah, Z-Bo's gonna be out for a couple games.

[Edited by - K22 on 2009-02-17 10:54 PM]
I'm sorry, but when you get in another man's face close enough to kiss him and you get hit its not a sucker punch.

You don't knock someone in the face when they stand in your face for two micro seconds, after you literally just walked on him.

There's no way around it. What Zach did was be a punk and thug in that instance.

Agreed... I don't think its a suckerpunch, I just think it's tasteless, classless, and dumb as hell

that wasn't a sucker punch, but if that was Shaq, Ben Wallace or some some other G getting into Zach's face he wouldn't have thrown that punch, i'll tell u that much.
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2/18/2009  5:38 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by sebstar:

Thats not fair, BJ.

So everyone that throws a punch in their life has to be held hostage by the spector of Kermit Washington? That was a freak occurance.

Not everyone, just Zach.

Seriously though, a lot of these guys are in much better shape than most guys. They can do damage with a punch. Zachs a pretty big guy if I recall correctly.

It's not like if you and I had a fight. You'd be crying like a little girl, but you wouldn't be permanently damaged.


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2/18/2009  5:39 PM
It's amazing how the same guys get into trouble over and over again and still have people that stick up for them. It's basketball. It's a physical game. I can understand flipping your wig and making a mistake and getting into a silly fight. But how many fights, gun battles, skipping out on bills does a guy have to be a part in before you think, maybe he isn't that great of a guy.

We traded him at the right time. He's a constant ticking time bomb. If this had happened in a Knick uniform we would have been stuck with him "leading" the team for the remainder of his contract. This inability to lead and stay out of trouble is exactly why his 20 and 10 doesn't mean anything.
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2/18/2009  5:45 PM
the funny part: If ZBo were still on the Knicks and pulled that, he would be more of a distraction than you know who.
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2/18/2009  5:48 PM
I'm trying to keep this in perspective, because I dont know him. He has been troubled in the past, and his temper does get the better of him, but over the past couple of years he has remained trouble free for the most part. He has recognized the error of his ways in public and I take him at his word.

I'm not going to pile on him because of a simple on court swing. I think thats too judgemental and eltist.

He still is a good player and we should have gotten more for him, but its a moot point now.
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2/18/2009  5:51 PM
How does Zach get only 2 games for punching another player in the face?
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2/18/2009  7:30 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

But how many fights, gun battles, skipping out on bills does a guy have to be a part in before you think, maybe he isn't that great of a guy.

Whenever you feel particular outraged at Randolph for throwing an elbow or getting a speeding ticket just remember he's no longer a Knick.

Now you can breathe a lot easier
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2/19/2009  12:51 AM
This is a home-at-home and the Suns are up 134-109 with 2:30 left in the game.

FINAL: Suns 142, Paper Clips 119.

God, how sad.

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2/19/2009  10:22 AM
Posted by sebstar:

I'm trying to keep this in perspective, because I dont know him. He has been troubled in the past, and his temper does get the better of him, but over the past couple of years he has remained trouble free for the most part. He has recognized the error of his ways in public and I take him at his word.

I'm not going to pile on him because of a simple on court swing. I think thats too judgemental and eltist.

He still is a good player and we should have gotten more for him, but its a moot point now.

I hear what your saying. It may be unfair to him to judge him as a person because we don't know him. I do my best not to but sometimes it's tough to differentiate the personal from the basketball stuff. But let's leave it at basketball. It's possible we could have gotten more for him, but if we want to be fair to everyone, we also should be fair to Donnie. It's possible that because of these incidences the opinions of Zach around the league are not very high. It's possible that GM's would not give up much for Zach because they always know that there is the possibility for him to "go off" like he did against the Suns. I personally have nothing against the guy, but I was wary of him as a Knick and I personally would not offer a lot for him as a GM, simply because there are too many incidences. At some point you have to assume that maybe the guy can't stay out of trouble and base your trade decision on that. I think Donnie understood this possibility and wanted to get him off the team before something cropped up. Again, maybe he could have gotten more, maybe not, we don't know. But I still think he made the right decision to trade him before it was too late.
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Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Bippity10:

But how many fights, gun battles, skipping out on bills does a guy have to be a part in before you think, maybe he isn't that great of a guy.

Whenever you feel particular outraged at Randolph for throwing an elbow or getting a speeding ticket just remember he's no longer a Knick.

Now you can breathe a lot easier

I have no outrage towards Zach. I think I even expressed an understanding about him losing it on the court. I can understand a speeding ticket. I can understand being caught in the wrong situation at the wrong time. I understand all that. I'm not expressing outrage at what he does, I'm simply giving a GM's perspective on Zach. He's a very good player. But time after time he has gotten himself in trouble and created distraction. The incidences occur fairly regularly. Sure Kobe and Shaq and Timmy and others have at one time created distraction. It happens to all NBa players. But when it's constant, it's a problem. This has killed his value and is one of the main reasons(along with salary) why the Knicks got rid of him despite the talent. You can't trust him.

Anything unfair in what I said?
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2/19/2009  10:49 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Bippity10:

But how many fights, gun battles, skipping out on bills does a guy have to be a part in before you think, maybe he isn't that great of a guy.

Whenever you feel particular outraged at Randolph for throwing an elbow or getting a speeding ticket just remember he's no longer a Knick.

Now you can breathe a lot easier

I have no outrage towards Zach. I think I even expressed an understanding about him losing it on the court. I can understand a speeding ticket. I can understand being caught in the wrong situation at the wrong time. I understand all that. I'm not expressing outrage at what he does, I'm simply giving a GM's perspective on Zach. He's a very good player. But time after time he has gotten himself in trouble and created distraction. The incidences occur fairly regularly. Sure Kobe and Shaq and Timmy and others have at one time created distraction. It happens to all NBa players. But when it's constant, it's a problem. This has killed his value and is one of the main reasons(along with salary) why the Knicks got rid of him despite the talent. You can't trust him.

Anything unfair in what I said?

Yeah about a GM's perspective. When did you become a GM and why are you not helping the Knicks out?
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