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2/12/2009  3:35 PM
Posted by TheGame:

Why would Portland trade Aldridge for Lee? They are trying to build around him and I question whether Lee is better even though Lee is putting up solid number. MDA system inflates numbers due to the increase in the number of possessions. On Portland's team I doubt Lee does much better than Aldridge other than in rebounds and Portland already has Oden to be their rebounder.

I think a Lee for Bayless, (Outlaw, Webster, or Frye), and a top-10 protected 1st round pick is about all Portland would offer. They still would have to deal with resigning Lee, so they are not going to give up too much for him.

If we got Bayless, we could then trade Nate in a separate deal for a high #1 pick. That would give up 3 picks in the upcoming draft and a boatload of cap room.

We then rebuild the team around Bayless, Chandler, and D.G.

I started with Bayless for Lee and then I got greedy I figured that it's no secret that Portland has wanted Lee for awhile and that they would be the most likely destination despite his impending free agency. I'm sure Walsh is trying to include JJ2 in any deal for Lee and the numbers for a Lee JJ2/Aldridge Bayless swap work. Aldride's name was bounced around in the Stoudemiere deal along with Bayless, so I'm just staying with players who are already out there in trade rumors.

Why wouldn't you start with Lee/JJ2 for Aldridge/Bayless before you settle on Lee for Bayless?

[Edited by - Rookie on 02-12-2009 3:47 PM]
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2/12/2009  3:40 PM
We are not getting Randolph for Nate either.

You have to factor (lower the value) the free-agent status of Lee and Nate into any trade scenario.

There value is lower because the acquiring team could lose them to free agency or they may have to overpay to keep them.

I was factoring in that N8 wants to play with his buddy Crawford and that Crawford can convince him to re-sign with GS. GS has the 2nd lowest payroll and isn't over the cap by much...as compared to the 28 other teams who have a higher payroll.
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2/12/2009  5:04 PM
Posted by Rookie:
We are not getting Randolph for Nate either.

You have to factor (lower the value) the free-agent status of Lee and Nate into any trade scenario.

There value is lower because the acquiring team could lose them to free agency or they may have to overpay to keep them.

I was factoring in that N8 wants to play with his buddy Crawford and that Crawford can convince him to re-sign with GS. GS has the 2nd lowest payroll and isn't over the cap by much...as compared to the 28 other teams who have a higher payroll.

Just don't think GS would move a big talented kid on a rookie deal for a small player like Nate who will be going on a +$5M long term deal.

Particularly when you consider the GS roster is full of Ellis, Craw, Bellinelli, Azabuke, Watson -- etc.
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2/12/2009  5:10 PM
Posted by Rookie:
Posted by TheGame:

Why would Portland trade Aldridge for Lee? They are trying to build around him and I question whether Lee is better even though Lee is putting up solid number. MDA system inflates numbers due to the increase in the number of possessions. On Portland's team I doubt Lee does much better than Aldridge other than in rebounds and Portland already has Oden to be their rebounder.

I think a Lee for Bayless, (Outlaw, Webster, or Frye), and a top-10 protected 1st round pick is about all Portland would offer. They still would have to deal with resigning Lee, so they are not going to give up too much for him.

If we got Bayless, we could then trade Nate in a separate deal for a high #1 pick. That would give up 3 picks in the upcoming draft and a boatload of cap room.

We then rebuild the team around Bayless, Chandler, and D.G.

I started with Bayless for Lee and then I got greedy I figured that it's no secret that Portland has wanted Lee for awhile and that they would be the most likely destination despite his impending free agency. I'm sure Walsh is trying to include JJ2 in any deal for Lee and the numbers for a Lee JJ2/Aldridge Bayless swap work. Aldride's name was bounced around in the Stoudemiere deal along with Bayless, so I'm just staying with players who are already out there in trade rumors.

Why wouldn't you start with Lee/JJ2 for Aldridge/Bayless before you settle on Lee for Bayless?

[Edited by - Rookie on 02-12-2009 3:47 PM]

Basic problem here is that Lee isn't valued as high as Alridge across the league. Aldridge has all the physical attributes, has played very solidly for a young player and is just a bigger talent. Lee on the flip side is flourishing in this system and is about to hit free agency and a very big deal.

You can't add Jefferies to a Lee for Aldridge swap -- if Jefferies were on Portland it would Portland trying to add Jefferies. To add in Bayless on top of that makes the deal worse.

Don't get me wrong -- I'd love this deal for the Knicks but just don't see it happening at all.

I thought the Amare rumor was a joke because Portland would have got killed giving up a huge expiring, Aldridge and Bayless for Amare - IMO.
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2/12/2009  5:32 PM
alright, so let me get this straight...

Aldridge and Lee are roughly the same age.

They both are averaging around the same PPG.

Lee AVERAGES about 5 rebounds MORE per game.

Lee clearly fits Portland's system better considering personnel.

Bayless gets no playing time and is rumored to be on the outs by coaching staff and management.

Nate is a 16 pt per game scoring, 6th man of the year candidate --- essentially the player Bayless aspires to be.

Both Lee and Nate have their best basketball ahead of them.

Yet to hear you guys tell it, Portland shouldnt even consider such a lopsided deal. Why would they give us such awesome hall of fame talent for our scraps??? That would be charity at best, and robbery at worst, right?!!! Maybe if we threw in Chandler and Gallo, that would make it fair for Portland, right?!?!

Man, some of ya'll need therapy. For real.
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Posted by sebstar:

alright, so let me get this straight...

Aldridge and Lee are roughly the same age.

They both are averaging around the same PPG.

Lee AVERAGES about 5 rebounds MORE per game.

Lee clearly fits Portland's system better considering personnel.

Bayless gets no playing time and is rumored to be on the outs by coaching staff and management.

Nate is a 16 pt per game scoring, 6th man of the year candidate --- essentially the player Bayless aspires to be.

Both Lee and Nate have their best basketball ahead of them.

Yet to hear you guys tell it, Portland shouldnt even consider such a lopsided deal. Why would they give us such awesome hall of fame talent for our scraps??? That would be charity at best, and robbery at worst, right?!!! Maybe if we threw in Chandler and Gallo, that would make it fair for Portland, right?!?!

Man, some of ya'll need therapy. For real.

Lee and Nate are RFA. You never mention salary in the above discussion.
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2/12/2009  5:43 PM
Stat for Bayless and Aldridge didn't happen but Portland will do that package for Lee?

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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2/12/2009  5:46 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by sebstar:

alright, so let me get this straight...

Aldridge and Lee are roughly the same age.

They both are averaging around the same PPG.

Lee AVERAGES about 5 rebounds MORE per game.

Lee clearly fits Portland's system better considering personnel.

Bayless gets no playing time and is rumored to be on the outs by coaching staff and management.

Nate is a 16 pt per game scoring, 6th man of the year candidate --- essentially the player Bayless aspires to be.

Both Lee and Nate have their best basketball ahead of them.

Yet to hear you guys tell it, Portland shouldnt even consider such a lopsided deal. Why would they give us such awesome hall of fame talent for our scraps??? That would be charity at best, and robbery at worst, right?!!! Maybe if we threw in Chandler and Gallo, that would make it fair for Portland, right?!?!

Man, some of ya'll need therapy. For real.

Lee and Nate are RFA. You never mention salary in the above discussion.

Aldridge will be one soon. And its not even proven if Bayless can play.

Portland has money.

[Edited by - sebstar on 02-12-2009 5:47 PM]
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2/12/2009  5:51 PM
are you sure about Bayless being in the doghouse and not being able to play?

his Jan and Feb splits tell a totally different story:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4473/splits;_ylt=AkpOWu.nSDU0_qHxYJbgBP_WPaB4
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2/12/2009  5:56 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by sebstar:

alright, so let me get this straight...

Aldridge and Lee are roughly the same age.

They both are averaging around the same PPG.

Lee AVERAGES about 5 rebounds MORE per game.

Lee clearly fits Portland's system better considering personnel.

Bayless gets no playing time and is rumored to be on the outs by coaching staff and management.

Nate is a 16 pt per game scoring, 6th man of the year candidate --- essentially the player Bayless aspires to be.

Both Lee and Nate have their best basketball ahead of them.

Yet to hear you guys tell it, Portland shouldnt even consider such a lopsided deal. Why would they give us such awesome hall of fame talent for our scraps??? That would be charity at best, and robbery at worst, right?!!! Maybe if we threw in Chandler and Gallo, that would make it fair for Portland, right?!?!

Man, some of ya'll need therapy. For real.

Lee and Nate are RFA. You never mention salary in the above discussion.

Aldridge will be one soon. And its not even proven if Bayless can play.

Portland has money.

[Edited by - sebstar on 02-12-2009 5:47 PM]

Aldridge would likely either be resigned or become a RFA (assuming he doesn't accept the QO) the summer of 2010. I'd take Aldridge over Lee in a heartbeat. I would trade Nate straight up for Bayless also. Bayless is buried on the bench... doesn't mean he is worthless. AND, because it is a rookie contract, you can see what he develops into... Portland will not do this deal.
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2/12/2009  5:57 PM
Aldridge is much better than Lee. Stats don't tell the whole story. Ask any Gm in the NBA, hands down they pick Aldridge.
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Posted by McK1:

are you sure about Bayless being in the doghouse and not being able to play?

his Jan and Feb splits tell a totally different story:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4473/splits;_ylt=AkpOWu.nSDU0_qHxYJbgBP_WPaB4


Do you guys put this sort of energy into building up Knick players???

"So and so is clearly a stud, becuase he averages 25 pts a game in 75 degree weather, for 6:30 start time games, when the moon is crescent shaped, the tide is at 3.8 feet, Rosie O'Donnel gets new batteries for her vibrator, and when he has 2.5 bowls of cocoa puffs before tip off."

Take a sip of this, drink that...dont it feel good to ya!
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Posted by BigRedDog:

Aldridge is much better than Lee. Stats don't tell the whole story. Ask any Gm in the NBA, hands down they pick Aldridge.



[sarcasm] well there you have it, I'm convinced! [/sarcasm]
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2/12/2009  6:05 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by McK1:

are you sure about Bayless being in the doghouse and not being able to play?

his Jan and Feb splits tell a totally different story:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4473/splits;_ylt=AkpOWu.nSDU0_qHxYJbgBP_WPaB4


Do you guys put this sort of energy into building up Knick players???

"So and so is clearly a stud, becuase he averages 25 pts a game in 75 degree weather, for 6:30 start time games, when the moon is crescent shaped, the tide is at 3.8 feet, Rosie O'Donnel gets new batteries for her vibrator, and when he has 2.5 bowls of cocoa puffs before tip off."

Take a sip of this, drink that...dont it feel good to ya!

you said he doesn't play and can't play. Beginning of the season he wasn't then he started getting consistent burn in jan and now for feb he is up to 24mpg averaging 10 pts 4 assists on 55% shooting and 82% from the line.

doesn't sound like the guy you just described one bit
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2/12/2009  6:10 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by McK1:

are you sure about Bayless being in the doghouse and not being able to play?

his Jan and Feb splits tell a totally different story:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4473/splits;_ylt=AkpOWu.nSDU0_qHxYJbgBP_WPaB4


Do you guys put this sort of energy into building up Knick players???

"So and so is clearly a stud, becuase he averages 25 pts a game in 75 degree weather, for 6:30 start time games, when the moon is crescent shaped, the tide is at 3.8 feet, Rosie O'Donnel gets new batteries for her vibrator, and when he has 2.5 bowls of cocoa puffs before tip off."

Take a sip of this, drink that...dont it feel good to ya!

you said he doesn't play and can't play. Beginning of the season he wasn't then he started getting consistent burn in jan and now for feb he is up to 24mpg averaging 10 pts 4 assists on 55% shooting and 82% from the line.

doesn't sound like the guy you just described one bit


Never said he couldnt, just that he's not a proven commodity. And sorry, averaging 10 pts in a couple of games is not overwhelming evidence.
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2/12/2009  8:47 PM
Aldridge is better than Lee. Why would they take on a contract and give up too lottery picks for Lee?
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2/12/2009  9:14 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BigRedDog:

Aldridge is much better than Lee. Stats don't tell the whole story. Ask any Gm in the NBA, hands down they pick Aldridge.



[sarcasm] well there you have it, I'm convinced! [/sarcasm]

Please don't make me teach you about basketball again. Try watching some games. I have better things to do than try to get you to understand basic principles of bball.
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2/12/2009  9:23 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

Aldridge is better than Lee. Why would they take on a contract and give up too lottery picks for Lee?

Because some GM's are retarded. They will see that Lee averages five more boards per game and they might do something CRAZY!!!!!!!!

It is about production right? And not some arbitrary determination to try and justify why every other player is superior to a Knick player.
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2/13/2009  1:35 PM
personally i think if Lee & Nate are going anywhere it's gonna be to Phoenix for Amare.
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Posted by TMS:

personally i think if Lee & Nate are going anywhere it's gonna be to Phoenix for Amare.

Well Phoenix is reportedly asking alot for Amare, and Amare has been hinting that teams may be giving up alot for a 1 yr rental. He does become a fee agent in 2010 and he hasn't been hiding his desire to play for MDA. Might be enough to make GM's think twice about what they are giving up.
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