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martin
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2/7/2009  11:45 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Posted by CrashDMB237:

I rarely post here, more of a lurker, but I had to login and post this after reading BRIGGS' two posts:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Whats funny? Explain? No more injury BC. Even Donnie Walsh said he was going to go B-B and had no restriction. He's the 6th pick in the draft on a bad team. If the 21st pick in the draft is starting for the Nets--than Gallo should start for the Knicks.

that logic makes zero sense. You don't give rookies minutes based off of where they are drafted. Or do you?

What doesnt make sense? Let me see--except for Joe Alexander and Gallinari--every guy in the top 10 has started at one point and all of them get major PT. When you sck and you draft a high pick--you play him--unless you feel Jared Jefferies is a superior talent. He started in Europe.

how many of those draft picks didn't play for most of the summer, missed most of training camp and sat out for 4 months of the season? And how many of those players started after 10 games in the NBA?

The #2 pick, an almost sure-fire future all-star is coming off the bench these days.

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2/7/2009  11:47 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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You act as if the kid hasnt shown anything. Ill take 7 points and two rebounds in 15 minutes a game on 48% 2fg, 44% 3fg, and 100% from the line from any rookie. Give the kid a chance. Be honest Briggs, you really dont think Gallo is going to improve on what he already has?

Im saying put him in the starting line up and let him go to see what we have. What is wrong with that? My God Im thinking about calling up and having Bonn put in at C for Jefferies. Seriously Gallinari should be given the chance to start over Jefferies--in fact it's a no-brainer. If it doesnt play out well after 10-15 games so be it--then re-evaluate. But I think it should work out better.

I just think the Knicks don't feel comfortable going pedal to the metal with him right now. Just looking over some of those youtube clips again including the one where he scored 14 pts. for us against the Cavs in the summer league -- this kid has very good ability, impact ability, that he's just not showing right now, for whatever the reason. I just think it's a combination of him not being 100% physically yet, his teammates (Nate and Duhon specifically) not feeling comfortable with him yet, and the Knicks not wanting to push him right now. When he's right, he could be a go-to guy offensively but right now for us, he's just a support player. I have trouble believing this is all he'll wind up being right now -- we need to give this kid some time and we need to be patient, myself included.
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2/7/2009  11:56 AM
People forget the Knicks are rebuilding. The players I want getting run are Chandler and Gallo for the simple reason they are part of the long term plan of the Knicks and need to be prepared for the future. I don't see what starting Q does for this team at this point in his career. As for Harrington he does make Zach look like Nash. I haven't seen such a greedy player in my life. This guy hasn't seen a shot he doesn't like and that scares me because he is jacking up shots at a ridiculous rate. Harrington is hurting the progress of the team, that is a selfish player.

Jefferies sucks and that is the conclusion that most have come to. When he hits a shot people are actually surprised to see him make a shot. Jefferies should not be on the floor rather see Gallo take his minutes away.

Last night when D'Antoni put Jefferies in the game in the 4th quarter, I said to myself this game is finished. I woul rather he played Gallo and Chandler.
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2/7/2009  12:11 PM
I really don't understand the point BRGGS. Gallo is playing solid minutes. Why should he be a starter? You earn starter minutes, they should not just be given to you. Gallo's playing time will increase as he develops confidence and improves his understanding of what we are trying to do on the court. Plus, MDA does not want to push him too hard until they are sure the back injury is healed. As long as Gallo continues to get 14+ minutes every game, I think MDA is doing to right thing.
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2/7/2009  12:16 PM
Briggs just wants him rushed back from injury to destroy his career, then he can tell us he told us so.

Any other reason to apply the Allan Houston, Antonio McDyess treatment on him?
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2/7/2009  12:18 PM
There are at this moment 5 players that are part of the KNicks plan. Duhon, Lee, Nate, Chandler and Gallo shouldn't they be playing the most. The other players are not part of the plan which is 2010 and beyond. Lets get the development of the young going here and put the wheels in motion.
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2/7/2009  12:20 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

He is such a defensive liability that he cannot be on the court for extended minutes. He makes mistakes when he handles the ball near the basket. The guys in front of him, Chandler and Lee are much better at this point.

Is that based on what we seen before' we played L.A., Cleve and Bastan? Because I was hearing a lot of good things about him when we were 7-2 with Gallo playing.

Besides, Gallo has a disk problem and pushing him too much might wreck his career, in which case I am already protesting his playing in the first place.
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2/7/2009  1:14 PM
I'm pretty sure we're still trying to win games. And if that's the case, you can gameplan against Gallo until he gets better at defending iso plays.

Now, if you want to make the argument that he's not good coming off the bench with Nate because Nate has a problem with Italians, or just doesn't feel like passing the ball to the dude for some reason, then maybe you start either him or Nate.
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2/7/2009  1:22 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

like ryan andersen of the Nets? The Knicks are not better than the Nets--jared Jefferies stinks--so why dont the Knicks play Gallinari 35 minutes--they are the same type of player same size same age. Seeing these little tidbits don't mean anything---lets see what he can do when he gets 35 minutes consistently--why not --what is the reason--if the nets can do it why cant we? Are they scared Gallinari wont show well? The only way to find out is to let the horse loose. Hopefully he can do what Andersen has done over the last two games. Let the kid go--play him 35 minutes--give him jefferies minutes--anything is better than Jefferies nightly BC--open up the hood and lets see what this kid has.

The coach doesn't want to lose the veterans by placing a rookie who's been out most of the year in the starting line-up.

You've got a coach trying to squeeze as much as he can out of a group of guys that don't know if they'll even be here in 20 days.

Gallo is getting more minutes each game - we don't need to rush him right now.

There is NO NEED to start him right now.

What we need is a trade to bring us in a legit 2-guard.
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2/7/2009  1:55 PM
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2/7/2009  2:08 PM
Posted by Vmart:

People forget the Knicks are rebuilding. The players I want getting run are Chandler and Gallo for the simple reason they are part of the long term plan of the Knicks and need to be prepared for the future. I don't see what starting Q does for this team at this point in his career. As for Harrington he does make Zach look like Nash. I haven't seen such a greedy player in my life. This guy hasn't seen a shot he doesn't like and that scares me because he is jacking up shots at a ridiculous rate. Harrington is hurting the progress of the team, that is a selfish player.

Jefferies sucks and that is the conclusion that most have come to. When he hits a shot people are actually surprised to see him make a shot. Jefferies should not be on the floor rather see Gallo take his minutes away.

Last night when D'Antoni put Jefferies in the game in the 4th quarter, I said to myself this game is finished. I woul rather he played Gallo and Chandler.

If he's part of the future then whats the rush, I could see if there was an injury to jeff but thats not the case. Offesively jj does suck I cringe every ime he gets the ball, but he has some intangibles on defense that plays a real key factor. I cringe even more when i see players go right after galli on defense no matter where he is on the floor. He fouls to much and he gets push around like a typical rookie.
He's a 7th to 8th man right now cause of our depth, his defense, and it's not like he's lights out on offense. I don't know about you but i didn't learn to run first then walk.
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2/7/2009  2:59 PM
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Posted by Vmart:

People forget the Knicks are rebuilding. The players I want getting run are Chandler and Gallo for the simple reason they are part of the long term plan of the Knicks and need to be prepared for the future. I don't see what starting Q does for this team at this point in his career. As for Harrington he does make Zach look like Nash. I haven't seen such a greedy player in my life. This guy hasn't seen a shot he doesn't like and that scares me because he is jacking up shots at a ridiculous rate. Harrington is hurting the progress of the team, that is a selfish player.

Jefferies sucks and that is the conclusion that most have come to. When he hits a shot people are actually surprised to see him make a shot. Jefferies should not be on the floor rather see Gallo take his minutes away.

Last night when D'Antoni put Jefferies in the game in the 4th quarter, I said to myself this game is finished. I woul rather he played Gallo and Chandler.

If he's part of the future then whats the rush, I could see if there was an injury to jeff but thats not the case. Offesively jj does suck I cringe every ime he gets the ball, but he has some intangibles on defense that plays a real key factor. I cringe even more when i see players go right after galli on defense no matter where he is on the floor. He fouls to much and he gets push around like a typical rookie.
He's a 7th to 8th man right now cause of our depth, his defense, and it's not like he's lights out on offense. I don't know about you but i didn't learn to run first then walk.

The rush is you want to start now so they can be fully ready to go once the FA come to the Knicks. If they aren't prepared then you think the FA are going to be convinced that they can win with the current players.
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2/7/2009  3:17 PM
There is no way a guy who is such a defensive liability can start on a team. As soon as he goes into the game the guy he is covering becomes the go to guy on offense. You can't say that about Q, Jeffries, Lee, or Chandler. He has a nice outside shot but he struggles handling the ball against NBA competition. All rookies face a learning curve and have to adjust to the NBA. My biggest concern with Gallo is that he is so far behind defensively and is playing for a coach who does not coach defense.
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2/7/2009  3:22 PM
Sat, Feb 7 F Danilo Gallinari has been closely guarded of late. Opposing defenses are no longer allowing him wide-open looks from behind the arc, so the rookie has begun to put the ball on the floor. The only problem is he's dealing with a footwork issue. Gallinari has been called for traveling in each of the last two games despite taking off from a standstill.

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2/7/2009  3:49 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

Sat, Feb 7 F Danilo Gallinari has been closely guarded of late. Opposing defenses are no longer allowing him wide-open looks from behind the arc, so the rookie has begun to put the ball on the floor. The only problem is he's dealing with a footwork issue. Gallinari has been called for traveling in each of the last two games despite taking off from a standstill.

(Yahoo! Sports)


exactly, there's and adjustment period that VMART clearly wants to bypass.
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2/7/2009  4:08 PM
The question is idiotic and glosses over obvious answers
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2/7/2009  4:22 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

Sat, Feb 7 F Danilo Gallinari has been closely guarded of late. Opposing defenses are no longer allowing him wide-open looks from behind the arc, so the rookie has begun to put the ball on the floor. The only problem is he's dealing with a footwork issue. Gallinari has been called for traveling in each of the last two games despite taking off from a standstill.

(Yahoo! Sports)


If he doesn't have space his handles are atrocious then to top it off he doesn't have close to the kind of strength he needs to have to get by his man regularly and he's slow. It's common rookies have a learning curve but this is a major problem. After watching Eric Gordon this yr in about a dozen games I noticed his handle is weak too. It was known before the draft his handle was suspect but even with this being a weakness of his, he still gets to the rim without major difficulty. Gordon gets to the line at least 4/gm and shoots 37% from 3pt range. He also guards the best offensive player on most nights. Yet he has holes in his game. Gallo isn't close to his level yet. I see Gallo possibly becoming as good as Dunleavy or maybe Hedo.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-07-2009 4:36 PM]
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2/7/2009  4:26 PM
Briggs with the same topic worded differently every day.
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2/7/2009  4:40 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

There is no way a guy who is such a defensive liability can start on a team. As soon as he goes into the game the guy he is covering becomes the go to guy on offense. You can't say that about Q, Jeffries, Lee, or Chandler. He has a nice outside shot but he struggles handling the ball against NBA competition. All rookies face a learning curve and have to adjust to the NBA. My biggest concern with Gallo is that he is so far behind defensively and is playing for a coach who does not coach defense.

This is why he wasnt a 6 pick. If Ryan Andersen starts on a better team at the same age with less experience and has been performing well than why shouldnt OUR guy do that? He was a HIGH lottery pick????? Is his back any more balky starting then coming off the bench or do the Knicks not want his skills exposed against tier one players in the NBA?

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 02-07-2009 5:03 PM]
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2/7/2009  4:42 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I'm pretty sure we're still trying to win games. And if that's the case, you can gameplan against Gallo until he gets better at defending iso plays.

Now, if you want to make the argument that he's not good coming off the bench with Nate because Nate has a problem with Italians, or just doesn't feel like passing the ball to the dude for some reason, then maybe you start either him or Nate.

I sure hope that's not the case. That would be totally stupid of any of our players not to share a ball with others, just because of race. Race should have zero to do with it.
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