Suns fans can stuff it.....

As a basketball team, they made their bed by trading for Shaq, firing D'antoni and hiring Porter.....

Porter wants to play 80's style basketball...so does Kerr. The team is not built to play that way right now. They can still win with the group but everyone is uncomfortable...

Marbs is a douche bag, but he's a strong drive and dish guy that wants to get his....much like Porter used to do. Porter doesn't like Nash and Nash doesn't like Porter. as good as Nash is he doesn't fit the current system. Believe it or not I think Marbs does. I think if they were to make this trade they will begin to faze out Nash.

Amare is uncomfortable. On his natural ability he is still gonna get good stats but he's not having fun or being effective. He will say that and has said it all year. Shaq's presence is messing with him. Even the Kerr and Porter said they need more hustle and rebounding from his position....aren't they basically calling for David Lee. David just plays ball. Shaq isn't going to deter his game. David is getting what 15 and 11? He could still get that in Phoenix.

Barbosa is a cap killer now with richardson on the team. Rich is a 20pt a game scorer....the team doesn't need barbosa to bring offense. Nash even eluded to that when he said the team had too many mouths to feed.
Now this is what Pheonix wants....they set the table for this....losing Amare and Barbosa for Lee and Marbs will actually losen up their team and add elements they need....its a lateral trade.

The Knicks on the other hand gain a go to guy in the post. They declare Curry useless at that point and they gain a starting shooting guard in Barbosa.

Pheonix is still good. Like I said maybe even better:

Lee/Barnes
Grant Hill
Shaq/Lopez
Nash/Marbs
J-rich

Knicks could possibly make the playoffs and pull a 1999 on that ass:

Amare/wilson
Al Harrington/Gallo
Fishlips/timmy
Duhon/Nate
Barbosa/Q

This trade needs to go down....its better for both franchises and the league.

Go Donnie Go!

^ Eny, I agree with your analysis, but it doesn't change what Amare's value is, and they'll be looking for more--unless Sarver is significantly cheaper than most thought, which is really saying something

Steve Kerr has taken a giant wrecking ball to the phoenix suns organization. He has no business being an nba gm

well, what kerr did was basically take a huge swing for the fences with shaq. can't blame him or find fault with that. i do question the hiring of terry porter as coach UNLESS, the owner limited the funds he could use for a coach and just couldn't get anyone good b/c of it. so much goes on that has nothing to do with what the GM wants to do but more with what the owner ALLOWS the gm to do.

he swung and missed with shaq. even if he didn't with shaq, the clock was ticking on 7 seconds or less as they were all getting older (i'm talking about marion + nash). so eventually, they had to blow it up anyway.

i think trading amare is a good move b/c although he's 26, he is a microfracture guy but clearly is a problem in the clubhouse. and if you read the book "SSOL", amare was a locker room problem before too. sometimes you just want to cut ties with a player like that.

One argument i dont understand is the widespread thought that they weren't winning a championship anyway and the Shaq move was a gamble that could probably get them over the hump. They were a controversial 1997 Ewing style suspension away from possibly winning the title the year before they made the Shaq move, and had the best record in the West last year at the time of the Shaq move. They may or may not have won a title, but they would have been in the mix. The Shaq move completely took them out of the mix. Couple it with D'Antoni being let go and basically in a year he took them from title contention to fringe playoff contention

^ plus his arms look too defined

I'm not giving them Wilson Chandler AND David Lee. That's ridiculous. Low esteem knick fans keep wanting to give other teams the world and devaluing their own players.

How are the Suns trying to demand heaven and earth for Amare when its the worst secret in the world that they want him gone ?? If they dont trade him then he is guaranteed to dip in 2010, they have no bargaining power. A package involving Lee/Malik/Harrington is plenty for him and that little overpaid Barbosa--- Amare is working on a bad knee at that.

Posted by BRIGGS:

I tell you what-- I would give Phoenix Lee and Gallinari Malik Rose for Amare Stoudemire. I dont want to give up Chandler over Gallinari. No picks

What if Gallo turns out to be really good, tho? Its way too early to just give up on him.

Not going with this as an Official Confirmation but it appears that Heat have rejected an offer of Marion and Beasley for Amare.

http://phoenix.fanster.com/2009/02/06/rumor-suns-offer-of-amare-for-marion-and-beasley-rejected-by-heat/

Posted by OasisBU:

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by BRIGGS:

I tell you what-- I would give Phoenix Lee and Gallinari Malik Rose for Amare Stoudemire. I dont want to give up Chandler over Gallinari. No picks

What if Gallo turns out to be really good, tho? Its way too early to just give up on him.

I think Amare would be good enough so that the trade wouldnt be second guessed even if Gallo pans out

If we look back just a year ago Amare Stoudemire averaged 25-10-2 blocks playing ONLY 33 minutes and shot 60%--he's kind of lost and devlaued with Shaq in there. In this league you have to give to get.

I was looking at the Clippers record with Zach Randolph when he played more than 35 minutes--the Clippers are 7-5 when he doesnt 4-34

If we added Stoudemire and just got rid of Lee and Gallo--our differential would go positive and I think we would be a cinch to make the playoffs. On top of it you have. a marque guy here who is still 25 years old. I think if he came here he would average 27-10and we would be players in the playoffs if we could make one more move top shore up the team's guard position.


That would put the team at


C--Stoudemire
F--Jefferies
F Harrington
G Q Rich
G Duhon

F Thomas
G Chandler
G Nate


If we used the other expiring contract to shore up the team--we could be a player in the playoffs THIS year.