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2/3/2009  10:37 PM
Posted by martin:
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Brook Lopez - 22pts 12rebs 2 blocks. Now that's a meaningful 22-12.

Ryan Anderson had a nice game too with 19 pts and 7 boards,

meaningful? Against the Bucks? Who was he up against?

I know it's not against scrubs during 10 minutes of summer league play but it was still a good game by Lopez.
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2/3/2009  10:37 PM
Posted by martin:
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Gallinari is cleary not channing frye 2.

1-His range is better, and his shot(%) seems much better. That shot looks so sweet.
2-He has much quicker feet, and he has a better mental ability to respond to the game around him on defense
3-He can put the ball on the floor
4-More court vision
etc....
He clearly is less muscular but he is younger and although i don't think he has a great frame for putting on muscle, he can clearly put on more-and his muscle is less of an issue because of his foot speed(and projected position). He is probably also a lot less physical because of the back injury.

Who cares if Gallinari has more range? Is the goal for the Knicks to shoot from 30 feet? How about players who can shoot from 3 feet rebound the ball and block shots--remember those types of players--like the kind that gave us success? We already had Chandler who was promising--it was another blunder even if he's a good player because we bypassed a better player in an area of need. Gallinari gets his shots so far because no one guards him.

with high picks you recommend drafting need over potential? High ho Sam Bowie!

I had Lopez at 3 all year long. I would have never drafted Gallinari --I wouldve taken 10 players over him.
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2/3/2009  10:37 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:

Brook Lopez - 22pts 12rebs 2 blocks. Now that's a meaningful 22-12.

Ryan Anderson had a nice game too with 19 pts and 7 boards,

isles i love you dude but you're really nothing more than a troll on this board now. you know that don't you? your knick opinion credibility has gone right down the s**tter.

Oh come on Marv, that's not fair buddy. It's not like I'm second guessing here.

why? because you didn't like the gallo pick from the get go? fine. what about the lee cheap shot? did you watch the nets game? you have something to base the "meaningful 22-12" comment on other than bias and trolldom?
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2/3/2009  10:37 PM
Bah I give up. Every thread is the same crap from the same people. Even the ignore button doesn't work anymore.
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2/3/2009  10:43 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:

Brook Lopez - 22pts 12rebs 2 blocks. Now that's a meaningful 22-12.

Ryan Anderson had a nice game too with 19 pts and 7 boards,

isles i love you dude but you're really nothing more than a troll on this board now. you know that don't you? your knick opinion credibility has gone right down the s**tter.

Oh come on Marv, that's not fair buddy. It's not like I'm second guessing here.

why? because you didn't like the gallo pick from the get go? fine. what about the lee cheap shot? did you watch the nets game? you have something to base the "meaningful 22-12" comment on other than bias and trolldom?

I watch the Nets all the time---Lopez dominated that game. They shouldve pushed the ball into him more often. He's gotten better position since the year started. He's to big to handle for almost every team. He's like a version of Tim Duncan. The Nets need to realize what they have there.
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2/3/2009  10:43 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cash:

Gallinari is cleary not channing frye 2.

1-His range is better, and his shot(%) seems much better. That shot looks so sweet.
2-He has much quicker feet, and he has a better mental ability to respond to the game around him on defense
3-He can put the ball on the floor
4-More court vision
etc....
He clearly is less muscular but he is younger and although i don't think he has a great frame for putting on muscle, he can clearly put on more-and his muscle is less of an issue because of his foot speed(and projected position). He is probably also a lot less physical because of the back injury.

Who cares if Gallinari has more range? Is the goal for the Knicks to shoot from 30 feet? How about players who can shoot from 3 feet rebound the ball and block shots--remember those types of players--like the kind that gave us success? We already had Chandler who was promising--it was another blunder even if he's a good player because we bypassed a better player in an area of need. Gallinari gets his shots so far because no one guards him.

with high picks you recommend drafting need over potential? High ho Sam Bowie!

I had Lopez at 3 all year long. I would have never drafted Gallinari --I wouldve taken 10 players over him.

Great. You still didn't answer my question. By the same token, you would have drafted Lopez over a young Dirk if they were in the same draft. Or Lopez over Jordan.
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2/3/2009  10:45 PM
My God, how many times will this freaking topic be discussed? I think its close to the number of LeBron in 2010 posts out there, which is ridiculous.


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2/3/2009  10:49 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cash:

Gallinari is cleary not channing frye 2.

1-His range is better, and his shot(%) seems much better. That shot looks so sweet.
2-He has much quicker feet, and he has a better mental ability to respond to the game around him on defense
3-He can put the ball on the floor
4-More court vision
etc....
He clearly is less muscular but he is younger and although i don't think he has a great frame for putting on muscle, he can clearly put on more-and his muscle is less of an issue because of his foot speed(and projected position). He is probably also a lot less physical because of the back injury.

Who cares if Gallinari has more range? Is the goal for the Knicks to shoot from 30 feet? How about players who can shoot from 3 feet rebound the ball and block shots--remember those types of players--like the kind that gave us success? We already had Chandler who was promising--it was another blunder even if he's a good player because we bypassed a better player in an area of need. Gallinari gets his shots so far because no one guards him.

with high picks you recommend drafting need over potential? High ho Sam Bowie!

I had Lopez at 3 all year long. I would have never drafted Gallinari --I wouldve taken 10 players over him.

Great. You still didn't answer my question. By the same token, you would have drafted Lopez over a young Dirk if they were in the same draft. Or Lopez over Jordan.

Martin did you watch Stamford more then 2 minutes last year?--then you can answer your own question--the guy is a serious talent. I didn't think he would last pass 3. How many of the next Dirks have there been?
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2/3/2009  10:50 PM
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My God, how many times will this freaking topic be discussed? I think its close to the number of LeBron in 2010 posts out there, which is ridiculous.



It will be discussed to death until Gallo averages 30 points per game and wins MVP.
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2/3/2009  10:50 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:

Brook Lopez - 22pts 12rebs 2 blocks. Now that's a meaningful 22-12.

Ryan Anderson had a nice game too with 19 pts and 7 boards,

isles i love you dude but you're really nothing more than a troll on this board now. you know that don't you? your knick opinion credibility has gone right down the s**tter.

Oh come on Marv, that's not fair buddy. It's not like I'm second guessing here.

why? because you didn't like the gallo pick from the get go? fine. what about the lee cheap shot? did you watch the nets game? you have something to base the "meaningful 22-12" comment on other than bias and trolldom?

Well it wasn't really a shot at Lee as much as it was a shot at the people who ignored what took place in last night's game and just looked at Lee's stat line to suggest that he had a much better game than he did. I know you, for one, are a more savvy basketball fan than that.

I did watch part of the Nets game including the postgame highlights and analysis and I came to a well informed opinion that Lopez had a very strong game and was one of the big reasons why the Nets easily won tonight.
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2/3/2009  10:56 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by islesfan:

Brook Lopez - 22pts 12rebs 2 blocks. Now that's a meaningful 22-12.

Ryan Anderson had a nice game too with 19 pts and 7 boards,

isles i love you dude but you're really nothing more than a troll on this board now. you know that don't you? your knick opinion credibility has gone right down the s**tter.

Oh come on Marv, that's not fair buddy. It's not like I'm second guessing here.

why? because you didn't like the gallo pick from the get go? fine. what about the lee cheap shot? did you watch the nets game? you have something to base the "meaningful 22-12" comment on other than bias and trolldom?

Well it wasn't really a shot at Lee as much as it was a shot at the people who ignored what took place in last night's game and just looked at Lee's stat line to suggest that he had a much better game than he did. I know you, for one, are a more savvy basketball fan than that.

I did watch part of the Nets game including the postgame highlights and analysis and I came to a well informed opinion that Lopez had a very strong game and was one of the big reasons why the Nets easily won tonight.

who did he play against?
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2/3/2009  10:58 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cash:

Gallinari is cleary not channing frye 2.

1-His range is better, and his shot(%) seems much better. That shot looks so sweet.
2-He has much quicker feet, and he has a better mental ability to respond to the game around him on defense
3-He can put the ball on the floor
4-More court vision
etc....
He clearly is less muscular but he is younger and although i don't think he has a great frame for putting on muscle, he can clearly put on more-and his muscle is less of an issue because of his foot speed(and projected position). He is probably also a lot less physical because of the back injury.

Who cares if Gallinari has more range? Is the goal for the Knicks to shoot from 30 feet? How about players who can shoot from 3 feet rebound the ball and block shots--remember those types of players--like the kind that gave us success? We already had Chandler who was promising--it was another blunder even if he's a good player because we bypassed a better player in an area of need. Gallinari gets his shots so far because no one guards him.

with high picks you recommend drafting need over potential? High ho Sam Bowie!

I had Lopez at 3 all year long. I would have never drafted Gallinari --I wouldve taken 10 players over him.

Great. You still didn't answer my question. By the same token, you would have drafted Lopez over a young Dirk if they were in the same draft. Or Lopez over Jordan.

Martin did you watch Stamford more then 2 minutes last year?--then you can answer your own question--the guy is a serious talent. I didn't think he would last pass 3. How many of the next Dirks have there been?

I watched as much as Lopez as you did of Gallo before they came into the NBA.
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2/3/2009  11:04 PM
BRIGGS, if you want to argue that Lopez is a good talent who has great potential, I have no problem with that. Argue that the Knicks should have drafted position over talent, then you are arguing against yourself a million times over in a losing battle.

Could you let me know why Lopez is only averaging 11 points a game this year? And this is with a compliment of, and I quote you, "quite possibly the best backcourt in the NBA".

Also, who the heck did Lopez get these points against? Second run bench players like Elson Francisco and Gadzuric? World beaters.

Lopez may have put up a good game and has some really goods to put up, but you persuade the masses with caca.
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2/3/2009  11:08 PM
Posted by martin:

BRIGGS, if you want to argue that Lopez is a good talent who has great potential, I have no problem with that. Argue that the Knicks should have drafted position over talent, then you are arguing against yourself a million times over in a losing battle.

Could you let me know why Lopez is only averaging 11 points a game this year? And this is with a compliment of, and I quote you, "quite possibly the best backcourt in the NBA".

Also, who the heck did Lopez get these points against? Second run bench players like Elson Francisco and Gadzuric? World beaters.

Lopez may have put up a good game and has some really goods to put up, but you persuade the masses with caca.

What are Gallinari lovers persuading the masses with?

People used 10 minutes of summer league ball, against players who couldn't carry Elson and Gadzuric's jock, to persuade the masses that Gallinari was a solid pick.

Isn't that worse?
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2/3/2009  11:16 PM
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BRIGGS, if you want to argue that Lopez is a good talent who has great potential, I have no problem with that. Argue that the Knicks should have drafted position over talent, then you are arguing against yourself a million times over in a losing battle.

Could you let me know why Lopez is only averaging 11 points a game this year? And this is with a compliment of, and I quote you, "quite possibly the best backcourt in the NBA".

Also, who the heck did Lopez get these points against? Second run bench players like Elson Francisco and Gadzuric? World beaters.

Lopez may have put up a good game and has some really goods to put up, but you persuade the masses with caca.

What are Gallinari lovers persuading the masses with?

People used 10 minutes of summer league ball, against players who couldn't carry Elson and Gadzuric's jock, to persuade the masses that Gallinari was a solid pick.

Isn't that worse?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Care to let me know who Lopez was beating up against in this meaningful game?
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2/3/2009  11:17 PM
At draft time D'Antoni distanced himself from the pick and said that he had to be convinced. Walsh never fully endorsed the pick and admitted to only watching him on tape. Isiah scouted him. Taking him with the sixth pick was a huge risk and one no one seems to be ready to step up and take credit for. Also, for the record Frye averaged 12 and 6 as a rookie playing about 24 minutes. Frye may not have been the talent Bynum is but he also may have suffered alot of damage from the dysfunctional situation he was in while with the Knicks.
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2/3/2009  11:22 PM
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BRIGGS, if you want to argue that Lopez is a good talent who has great potential, I have no problem with that. Argue that the Knicks should have drafted position over talent, then you are arguing against yourself a million times over in a losing battle.

Could you let me know why Lopez is only averaging 11 points a game this year? And this is with a compliment of, and I quote you, "quite possibly the best backcourt in the NBA".

Also, who the heck did Lopez get these points against? Second run bench players like Elson Francisco and Gadzuric? World beaters.

Lopez may have put up a good game and has some really goods to put up, but you persuade the masses with caca.

What are Gallinari lovers persuading the masses with?

People used 10 minutes of summer league ball, against players who couldn't carry Elson and Gadzuric's jock, to persuade the masses that Gallinari was a solid pick.

Isn't that worse?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Care to let me know who Lopez was beating up against in this meaningful game?

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2/3/2009  11:24 PM
Lopez is averaging 12 pts, 8 rebs and 2 blocks. Gallinari has not achieved any of those numbers in any category for any game he has played in including his summer league game. To say Lopez is not getting his in meaningful minutes is alot more then stretching the truth to make your point.
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2/3/2009  11:33 PM
BRIGGS, I love you, and I think you bring a lot of good insights, but a lot of folks weren't that high on Lopez.

I saw him play not too long ago against the Knicks and he didn't look that great.

Potential?

Sure.

But Gallo has played far less games, and showed us quite a bit, no?

C'mon man. It's already been done.

I don't see Lopez being that ideal for us. He was not that great of a rebounder or shot blocker in college.

I was much higher on your boy Thabeet for us. We'll see what happens, but maybe we should be a but careful about panicking just yet.
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Martin, let me be clear. We passed the Larry Bird comparisons to go back to the Dirk comparisons and now we finally landed at the Jordan comparisons? What a trip in under 7 months.

At this point though, what's done is done. I like him at the SG position and having Q or Chandler play the better offensive player of the 2 or 3. Hey maybe Martin is right and this kid is the next Jordan type player.
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