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2/1/2009  5:17 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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You know dj, I always thought that people joked around with you that you were a Raptors fan but you really are. you have like 9000 posts on RealGM on the Raptors forum. I just saw it the other day. What's the deal man? Why do you post here if you support the Raps?

i was a season ticket holder and bled orange and blue. and then after they fired larry brown, i wanted the team to lose so they could fire isiah. and during that span i realized that i always hated on the team and reached an epiphany that i was really no longer a fan of theirs. and starting in the 05/06 season, i got league pass and started watching the raps. so i was dually following both teams and found that i actually cheered for the raptors as the years went on and didn't for the knicks. so in january 2008, i basically quit the knicks fulltime. i've watched a total of 6 games this year mainly b/c there was nothing else to watch.

i post here b/c i know a ton of people on this site and it's still the best site to discuss stuff and post pics of hot chicks.

the knicks completely changed how i view sports in general. and being a season ticket holder actually made me not be a fan of theirs anymore. i now am quite homerish when it comes to my other teams now - yanks, raps, and redskins. but the relationship with the knicks has been severed...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 3:50 PM]
Papabear Says

Man!! WOW!DJ in all due respect thats messed up. I've been a Knicks fan since before they got Walt Fraizer when I was in grammer school and no one person or two people or three people will never make me stop being a Knicks fan. My father was a season ticket holder and I took over from him for a while and many times I went home broken hearted (spent all that money) but never enough to not be a Knicks fan. Weve had bad GMs Bad coaches and through it all I still love my New York Knicks. Now I don't mind watching certain teams play and I like other players on other teams, but nothing, nothing , nothing, no one can ever make me stop being a Knicks fan. Coaches and GMs come and go but the New York Knicks is hear to stay.



[Edited by - Papabear on 02-01-2009 5:25 PM]
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2/1/2009  6:57 PM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GKFv2:

You know dj, I always thought that people joked around with you that you were a Raptors fan but you really are. you have like 9000 posts on RealGM on the Raptors forum. I just saw it the other day. What's the deal man? Why do you post here if you support the Raps?

i was a season ticket holder and bled orange and blue. and then after they fired larry brown, i wanted the team to lose so they could fire isiah. and during that span i realized that i always hated on the team and reached an epiphany that i was really no longer a fan of theirs. and starting in the 05/06 season, i got league pass and started watching the raps. so i was dually following both teams and found that i actually cheered for the raptors as the years went on and didn't for the knicks. so in january 2008, i basically quit the knicks fulltime. i've watched a total of 6 games this year mainly b/c there was nothing else to watch.

i post here b/c i know a ton of people on this site and it's still the best site to discuss stuff and post pics of hot chicks.

the knicks completely changed how i view sports in general. and being a season ticket holder actually made me not be a fan of theirs anymore. i now am quite homerish when it comes to my other teams now - yanks, raps, and redskins. but the relationship with the knicks has been severed...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 3:50 PM]
Papabear Says

Man!! WOW!DJ in all due respect thats messed up. I've been a Knicks fan since before they got Walt Fraizer when I was in grammer school and no one person or two people or three people will never make me stop being a Knicks fan. My father was a season ticket holder and I took over from him for a while and many times I went home broken hearted (spent all that money) but never enough to not be a Knicks fan. Weve had bad GMs Bad coaches and through it all I still love my New York Knicks. Now I don't mind watching certain teams play and I like other players on other teams, but nothing, nothing , nothing, no one can ever make me stop being a Knicks fan. Coaches and GMs come and go but the New York Knicks is hear to stay.

i don't expect my decision to be a popular one around these parts.
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2/1/2009  7:03 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Of course. Who the hell wants to play in Toronto? The only one who seemed somewhat interested is Steve Nash, who ironically never went.

this is a true statement. no US born player wants to play up there unless they get more money than anywhere else (kapono). different schooling system, different taxation...heck they use celcius and centimeters...plus it's damn cold.
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2/1/2009  7:04 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I went through a similar process but I never migrated to another basketball team. I've watched parts of games, but I feel very detached and uninterested in pro basketball generally.

right now, the nba to me is basically a placeholder till baseball starts again...
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2/1/2009  7:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GKFv2:

You know dj, I always thought that people joked around with you that you were a Raptors fan but you really are. you have like 9000 posts on RealGM on the Raptors forum. I just saw it the other day. What's the deal man? Why do you post here if you support the Raps?

i was a season ticket holder and bled orange and blue. and then after they fired larry brown, i wanted the team to lose so they could fire isiah. and during that span i realized that i always hated on the team and reached an epiphany that i was really no longer a fan of theirs. and starting in the 05/06 season, i got league pass and started watching the raps. so i was dually following both teams and found that i actually cheered for the raptors as the years went on and didn't for the knicks. so in january 2008, i basically quit the knicks fulltime. i've watched a total of 6 games this year mainly b/c there was nothing else to watch.

i post here b/c i know a ton of people on this site and it's still the best site to discuss stuff and post pics of hot chicks.

the knicks completely changed how i view sports in general. and being a season ticket holder actually made me not be a fan of theirs anymore. i now am quite homerish when it comes to my other teams now - yanks, raps, and redskins. but the relationship with the knicks has been severed...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 3:50 PM]
Papabear Says

Man!! WOW!DJ in all due respect thats messed up. I've been a Knicks fan since before they got Walt Fraizer when I was in grammer school and no one person or two people or three people will never make me stop being a Knicks fan. My father was a season ticket holder and I took over from him for a while and many times I went home broken hearted (spent all that money) but never enough to not be a Knicks fan. Weve had bad GMs Bad coaches and through it all I still love my New York Knicks. Now I don't mind watching certain teams play and I like other players on other teams, but nothing, nothing , nothing, no one can ever make me stop being a Knicks fan. Coaches and GMs come and go but the New York Knicks is hear to stay.

i don't expect my decision to be a popular one around these parts.


DJ I totally understand how you feel and there's nothing wrong with it. Now the same standard would have to be applied to the Raps if they prove their futility. Because I sense you're being a Raos fan regardless of what they do. Once again I understand how you feel because no one would root for the Knicks if they had a team full of Gin & Juice Bakers.
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2/1/2009  7:13 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sebstar:

Of course. Who the hell wants to play in Toronto? The only one who seemed somewhat interested is Steve Nash, who ironically never went.

this is a true statement. no US born player wants to play up there unless they get more money than anywhere else (kapono). different schooling system, different taxation...heck they use celcius and centimeters...plus it's damn cold.

I can understand that but I loved it when I lived in Canada for 6 years. I bet a lot of NBA players would too but they won't give it a chance because the fact that it's not the US turns them off.
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2/1/2009  7:14 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GKFv2:

You know dj, I always thought that people joked around with you that you were a Raptors fan but you really are. you have like 9000 posts on RealGM on the Raptors forum. I just saw it the other day. What's the deal man? Why do you post here if you support the Raps?

i was a season ticket holder and bled orange and blue. and then after they fired larry brown, i wanted the team to lose so they could fire isiah. and during that span i realized that i always hated on the team and reached an epiphany that i was really no longer a fan of theirs. and starting in the 05/06 season, i got league pass and started watching the raps. so i was dually following both teams and found that i actually cheered for the raptors as the years went on and didn't for the knicks. so in january 2008, i basically quit the knicks fulltime. i've watched a total of 6 games this year mainly b/c there was nothing else to watch.

i post here b/c i know a ton of people on this site and it's still the best site to discuss stuff and post pics of hot chicks.

the knicks completely changed how i view sports in general. and being a season ticket holder actually made me not be a fan of theirs anymore. i now am quite homerish when it comes to my other teams now - yanks, raps, and redskins. but the relationship with the knicks has been severed...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 3:50 PM]
Papabear Says

Man!! WOW!DJ in all due respect thats messed up. I've been a Knicks fan since before they got Walt Fraizer when I was in grammer school and no one person or two people or three people will never make me stop being a Knicks fan. My father was a season ticket holder and I took over from him for a while and many times I went home broken hearted (spent all that money) but never enough to not be a Knicks fan. Weve had bad GMs Bad coaches and through it all I still love my New York Knicks. Now I don't mind watching certain teams play and I like other players on other teams, but nothing, nothing , nothing, no one can ever make me stop being a Knicks fan. Coaches and GMs come and go but the New York Knicks is hear to stay.

i don't expect my decision to be a popular one around these parts.


DJ I totally understand how you feel and there's nothing wrong with it. Now the same standard would have to be applied to the Raps if they prove their futility. Because I sense you're being a Raos fan regardless of what they do. Once again I understand how you feel because no one would root for the Knicks if they had a team full of Gin & Juice Bakers.

my favorite knick team of the past 8 years was the 02/03 team after dice went down to injury and spree was suspended the first 8 games of the season. they played their tail off and won 37 games...challenging for the playoffs going into the last month of the season. all i wanted was a team that played hard and didn't have all that drama. so yeah, your assessment of me being a raps fan regardless of what they do is pretty accurate. i realized that building a good team in this league is not easy and many gm's have their hands tied in what they can do or what's available. and if a gm makes a mistake, in this league, it takes a long time to fix it. and i'm one of the few (remaining) that really liked what colangelo tried to do up there with bringing in euro players and taking gambles (like he did with pheonix). and i like alot of their players.
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2/1/2009  7:24 PM
Posted by djsunyc:


...and i'm one of the few (remaining) that really liked what colangelo tried to do up there with bringing in euro players and taking gambles (like he did with pheonix). and i like alot of their players.

But, and correct me if I've misconstrued, you take a dim view of a Euro centric coach for the Knicks. What gives?
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2/1/2009  7:26 PM
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...and i'm one of the few (remaining) that really liked what colangelo tried to do up there with bringing in euro players and taking gambles (like he did with pheonix). and i like alot of their players.

But, and correct me if I've misconstrued, you take a dim view of a Euro centric coach for the Knicks. What gives?

not at all. i wanted d'antoni in toronto big time (who would've been the perfect coach for them). but from early accounts of the team and after watching a few games in december/jan, it looked like he had the team basically just shooting 3's and didn't expand the playbook to his roster. but seeing how the knicks are playing lately, d'antoni is really getting the most out of them. so my thread about d'antoni's offense this season was premature and incorrect.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 7:29 PM]
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2/1/2009  7:40 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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...and i'm one of the few (remaining) that really liked what colangelo tried to do up there with bringing in euro players and taking gambles (like he did with pheonix). and i like alot of their players.

But, and correct me if I've misconstrued, you take a dim view of a Euro centric coach for the Knicks. What gives?

not at all. i wanted d'antoni in toronto big time (who would've been the perfect coach for them). but from early accounts of the team and after watching a few games in december/jan, it looked like he had the team basically just shooting 3's and didn't expand the playbook to his roster. but seeing how the knicks are playing lately, d'antoni is really getting the most out of them. so my thread about d'antoni's offense this season was premature and incorrect.


With honesty and humility like that you're clearly not cut out to be a Knicks fan anymore.
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2/1/2009  7:43 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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You know dj, I always thought that people joked around with you that you were a Raptors fan but you really are. you have like 9000 posts on RealGM on the Raptors forum. I just saw it the other day. What's the deal man? Why do you post here if you support the Raps?

i was a season ticket holder and bled orange and blue. and then after they fired larry brown, i wanted the team to lose so they could fire isiah. and during that span i realized that i always hated on the team and reached an epiphany that i was really no longer a fan of theirs. and starting in the 05/06 season, i got league pass and started watching the raps. so i was dually following both teams and found that i actually cheered for the raptors as the years went on and didn't for the knicks. so in january 2008, i basically quit the knicks fulltime. i've watched a total of 6 games this year mainly b/c there was nothing else to watch.

i post here b/c i know a ton of people on this site and it's still the best site to discuss stuff and post pics of hot chicks.

the knicks completely changed how i view sports in general. and being a season ticket holder actually made me not be a fan of theirs anymore. i now am quite homerish when it comes to my other teams now - yanks, raps, and redskins. but the relationship with the knicks has been severed...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 3:50 PM]

Isiah is not enough for me to go to another team. The Raptors so far do not look like a team that is on the raise but the Knicks look like they are. If I did not abandon my Mets since the 80's there is no way I would abandon my Knicks. Win or lost I am a Knicks fan.

The worse thing the Raptors did was trade TJ Ford. As long as the Raptors remain in Toronto star players that the Raptors draft will keep on leaving. Tmac, VC, now Bosh is going to be gone. If you were going to pick a team DJ you should have picked a team with more stability.
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...and i'm one of the few (remaining) that really liked what colangelo tried to do up there with bringing in euro players and taking gambles (like he did with pheonix). and i like alot of their players.

But, and correct me if I've misconstrued, you take a dim view of a Euro centric coach for the Knicks. What gives?

not at all. i wanted d'antoni in toronto big time (who would've been the perfect coach for them). but from early accounts of the team and after watching a few games in december/jan, it looked like he had the team basically just shooting 3's and didn't expand the playbook to his roster. but seeing how the knicks are playing lately, d'antoni is really getting the most out of them. so my thread about d'antoni's offense this season was premature and incorrect.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 7:29 PM]


It wasn't premature because overall he's ditched the 7 sec or less ALL-IN philosophy. Fans said regardless of what he could do as coach the team is 30-35 wins at best but they are playing at a pace above this. I was one who wanted him to do more of what he's doing now from the get go. Try and play more conventional while still incorporating his philosophy.

This goes back to the argument of he gets credit when the team wins but you can't criticize him when the team loses. LOL!


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-01-2009 7:54 PM]
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The Isiah excuse is an scapegoat. Many people were never true fans. And I know many people hate the true fan thing but it is an accurate statement. Bandwagon fans are notorious in NYC. Last year this time everyone was a Giant fan in NYC, now you can't find them. Wait until the Yankees hit a patch like they hit in the late 80s and you will find it hard to find one.

Why someone continues to post on a site that is for die hard Knick fans is just as troubling.
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Posted by BigC:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by GKFv2:

You know dj, I always thought that people joked around with you that you were a Raptors fan but you really are. you have like 9000 posts on RealGM on the Raptors forum. I just saw it the other day. What's the deal man? Why do you post here if you support the Raps?

i was a season ticket holder and bled orange and blue. and then after they fired larry brown, i wanted the team to lose so they could fire isiah. and during that span i realized that i always hated on the team and reached an epiphany that i was really no longer a fan of theirs. and starting in the 05/06 season, i got league pass and started watching the raps. so i was dually following both teams and found that i actually cheered for the raptors as the years went on and didn't for the knicks. so in january 2008, i basically quit the knicks fulltime. i've watched a total of 6 games this year mainly b/c there was nothing else to watch.

i post here b/c i know a ton of people on this site and it's still the best site to discuss stuff and post pics of hot chicks.

the knicks completely changed how i view sports in general. and being a season ticket holder actually made me not be a fan of theirs anymore. i now am quite homerish when it comes to my other teams now - yanks, raps, and redskins. but the relationship with the knicks has been severed...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 3:50 PM]

Isiah is not enough for me to go to another team. The Raptors so far do not look like a team that is on the raise but the Knicks look like they are. If I did not abandon my Mets since the 80's there is no way I would abandon my Knicks. Win or lost I am a Knicks fan.

The worse thing the Raptors did was trade TJ Ford. As long as the Raptors remain in Toronto star players that the Raptors draft will keep on leaving. Tmac, VC, now Bosh is going to be gone. If you were going to pick a team DJ you should have picked a team with more stability.

goes to show you my defection up north wasn't a case of frontrunning. if that was the case, i could be a fan of portland, new orleans or something like that.

the great tj vs. jose debate. it's true they miss tj ford, but not b/c jose calderon isn't a good pg, it's b/c they didn't replace tj's creativity and ball handling. tj ford is my favorite pg in the league but after he got hurt, the team responded more to jose in his absence. and then when he came back, he pressed and went more into "me-j" mode. they had to make a choice so they went with the healthier option. tj is having issues in indy (but i think it's b/c of being a bad fit with o'brien's offense more than anything) so it's not like he's exploded after being dealt.

and when you say free agents leave - that's true and a big reason why i liked what colangelo is trying to do up there.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 8:04 PM]
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Posted by Pharzeone:

The Isiah excuse is an scapegoat. Many people were never true fans. And I know many people hate the true fan thing but it is an accurate statement. Bandwagon fans are notorious in NYC. Last year this time everyone was a Giant fan in NYC, now you can't find them. Wait until the Yankees hit a patch like they hit in the late 80s and you will find it hard to find one.

Why someone continues to post on a site that is for die hard Knick fans is just as troubling.

lol. i didn't expect my decision to be popular but now you're just jumping to conclusions and making assumptions that are simply not true. ever stop watching a tv show b/c you didn't like it?

as for the yanks - i thought last season was a great season - most fun i had as a fan since 1996 so explain that one.
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...and i'm one of the few (remaining) that really liked what colangelo tried to do up there with bringing in euro players and taking gambles (like he did with pheonix). and i like alot of their players.

But, and correct me if I've misconstrued, you take a dim view of a Euro centric coach for the Knicks. What gives?

not at all. i wanted d'antoni in toronto big time (who would've been the perfect coach for them). but from early accounts of the team and after watching a few games in december/jan, it looked like he had the team basically just shooting 3's and didn't expand the playbook to his roster. but seeing how the knicks are playing lately, d'antoni is really getting the most out of them. so my thread about d'antoni's offense this season was premature and incorrect.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-01-2009 7:29 PM]


It wasn't premature because overall he's ditched the 7 sec or less ALL-IN philosophy. Fans said regardless of what he could do as coach the team is 30-35 wins at best but they are playing at a pace above this. I was one who wanted him to do more of what he's doing now from the get go. Try and play more conventional while still incorporating his philosophy.

This goes back to the argument of he gets credit when the team wins but you can't criticize him when the team loses. LOL!


[Edited by - GallOfFame on 02-01-2009 7:54 PM]

There's a difference between valid criticisms and your litany of "LOLZ" posts, trying to insinuate you know more than every fan, coach and GM in the league.

D'antoni never said he would enforce the 7 secs or less rule here, plenty of us expected him to adapt his style to this team.

And you may have pegged us for 25-30 wins but most of us figured around 35, and that was before the "talent" dump.

D' had us playing good to start the season, then there was a readjustment period from the trades and guys getting extended minutes, the inevitable slumps, and you have a rut. Was it all really due to bad coaching? And now we're playing well again. Did D' just forget how to coach for a month, or were other things in play?

It's not that D' is above reproach, its just that if you're going to dump every slump at his doorstep you're gonna look like the kid who puts doodoo in a bag, puts it on someones door stoop, lights the bag on fire, and rings the doorbell. Sure, you can laugh at the sucker who gets his shoe dirty from your antics, but you're not looking as good as you think in the process. LoLz.

And, Mr Superior Basketball Instincts, do you still think Kobe is no better a leader than Marbury?
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:

The Isiah excuse is an scapegoat. Many people were never true fans. And I know many people hate the true fan thing but it is an accurate statement. Bandwagon fans are notorious in NYC. Last year this time everyone was a Giant fan in NYC, now you can't find them. Wait until the Yankees hit a patch like they hit in the late 80s and you will find it hard to find one.

Why someone continues to post on a site that is for die hard Knick fans is just as troubling.

lol. i didn't expect my decision to be popular but now you're just jumping to conclusions and making assumptions that are simply not true. ever stop watching a tv show b/c you didn't like it?

as for the yanks - i thought last season was a great season - most fun i had as a fan since 1996 so explain that one.

Dude, I was speaking about your situation more in general term. I won't lie it troubles me greatly. I just think it is all b.s. I remember going to an empty Garden before Ewing's arrival. I remember sitting anywhere you want at Yankee stadium in 92. I think a die hard fan is defined in bad years. Look at Raider fans that continue to show up, those are die hards. Like I said the bandwagon title is one that no one really wants to be called but sometimes it is really the most accurate. The problem is that NYC is full with a ton of them. Atlanta is another bandwagon city. That town blows hot and cold on teams so fast.

As far as the Yankees go, history already supports what I am talking. I am curious how many more and worse losing seasons these new Yankee fans are willing to sit through like in the late 80s and early 90s because apparently judging by history not many.

Neva mind, me. It is an touchy issue with me. To each their own.
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2/1/2009  8:16 PM
I don't know. I guess you can do what you want but I can't respect someone quitting on their team. So either your dad or something forced you into being a fan of the team and your heart was never into it? Or did you just quit on the team because they went through all that losing? I think people wouldn't care if you just never liked the team in the first place. Is that what you're saying? That you never liked them and realized this after many years? Because the timing of when you stopped being a fan hurts your credibility. I don't have anything against you. It's your decision.
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:

The Isiah excuse is an scapegoat. Many people were never true fans. And I know many people hate the true fan thing but it is an accurate statement. Bandwagon fans are notorious in NYC. Last year this time everyone was a Giant fan in NYC, now you can't find them. Wait until the Yankees hit a patch like they hit in the late 80s and you will find it hard to find one.

Why someone continues to post on a site that is for die hard Knick fans is just as troubling.

lol. i didn't expect my decision to be popular but now you're just jumping to conclusions and making assumptions that are simply not true. ever stop watching a tv show b/c you didn't like it?

as for the yanks - i thought last season was a great season - most fun i had as a fan since 1996 so explain that one.

Dude, I was speaking about your situation more in general term. I won't lie it troubles me greatly. I just think it is all b.s. I remember going to an empty Garden before Ewing's arrival. I remember sitting anywhere you want at Yankee stadium in 92. I think a die hard fan is defined in bad years. Look at Raider fans that continue to show up, those are die hards. Like I said the bandwagon title is one that no one really wants to be called but sometimes it is really the most accurate. The problem is that NYC is full with a ton of them. Atlanta is another bandwagon city. That town blows hot and cold on teams so fast.

As far as the Yankees go, history already supports what I am talking. I am curious how many more and worse losing seasons these new Yankee fans are willing to sit through like in the late 80s and early 90s because apparently judging by history not many.

Neva mind, me. It is an touchy issue with me. To each their own.

maybe people just change as fans. alot of ny are frontrunners. all those mets fans in the 80's became yankee fans in the 90's. and the cycle will continue when/if the yanks stink and the mets are good. at the end of the day, it's what brings enjoyment to you in how you view sports. majority of sports fans just aren't as into it as the small minority on these forums.
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