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sebstar
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1/29/2009  1:17 PM
Posted by martin:
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The article must be a mistake. How is lee one of the more sought after players in the league, for the reasons they listed, when many here are dying to get rid of him for whatever scraps teams are willing to throw at us?

who are these many that wanna dump Lee for scraps? since when are 1st round picks considered to be scraps? stop the over the top generalizations, please... it does nothing for ur credibility.

dont be so sensitive. People are right, You are acting moody lately. I'm talking about all the Lee for Sergio Rodriquez type deals that you have seen around here over the past month our so. Not you.

you are mis-characterizing even a Sergio trade, cause we would have demanded a first rounder and maybe a salary dump too, just not a 1-for-1.

You think a first round pick (which from Portland would be in the 20s) and a guy that cant even get off the bench and cant shoot 40% is a fair package for Lee at his age and the numbers he's putting up????????????????
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1/29/2009  1:19 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by martin:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by sebstar:

The article must be a mistake. How is lee one of the more sought after players in the league, for the reasons they listed, when many here are dying to get rid of him for whatever scraps teams are willing to throw at us?

who are these many that wanna dump Lee for scraps? since when are 1st round picks considered to be scraps? stop the over the top generalizations, please... it does nothing for ur credibility.

dont be so sensitive. People are right, You are acting moody lately. I'm talking about all the Lee for Sergio Rodriquez type deals that you have seen around here over the past month our so. Not you.

you are mis-characterizing even a Sergio trade, cause we would have demanded a first rounder and maybe a salary dump too, just not a 1-for-1.

You think a first round pick (which from Portland would be in the 20s) and a guy that cant even get off the bench and cant shoot 40% is a fair package for Lee at his age and the numbers he's putting up????????????????

you missed the point of my post.
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1/29/2009  1:21 PM
I guess so.

*looks at Martin with a puzzled expression*
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1/29/2009  1:24 PM
I'm with Sebstar. A trade with Portland for their late pick and Sergio isn't a great trade for us. We can definitely do better. If you can get a better young player and a higher pick, then maybe we can do business, but that particular trade is hurting us.
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1/29/2009  1:31 PM
i wouldn't trade him for Sergio & a 20's pick either.
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1/29/2009  1:39 PM
Posted by Andrew:

The Portland situation was discussed a while back. They don't have $7M in cap space. Cross them off the list.

Portland will have $7mil in cap space if they don't tender offers to Ike and Frye. That's even factoring Webster and Miles on their books. If they want to clear $3-5mil in cap by the deadline to go after Lee this summer or on draft night they will surely do it. Even if that means they take on longer contracts but shorter salary for 2009. Once again that's if he's their man. Any one of those teams with considerable cap will go after Lee and/or Nate if they want them. What really could be tough if Nate and Lee are signed to offer sheets simultaneously from different teams.
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1/29/2009  1:42 PM
I have to believe that Portland wants Lee pretty badly - they NEED him. You think they wanted him before the DMiles money went back on their cap? Think how bad they probably want him now since they won't be able to sign any free-agents. The point I'm trying to get at is if I wonder if we can unload Curry's contract along with Lee? Unloading Currys contract would be worth it's weight in gold.

Lee/Curry/Malik(expiring)
for
LaFrentz(expiring)/Bayless/Outlaw

Personally, I'd make that trade in an instant. If Portland has any hopes of really competing this year and in future years, then they would make this deal too.
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1/29/2009  1:48 PM
When it was suggested to unload Curry with Lee over a yr and a half ago it was a unanimous unpopular thought now it's becoming stressing by the day what to do, as the dude continues to stat stuff and raise his stock.

Should have unloaded him last yr to prepare for the past summers draft(which is proving to have depth galore)
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1/29/2009  1:51 PM
Seb, I think Martin's point is that there isn't a person on the board who just wants to dump Lee. You can point the finger at me and say that I am willing to use Lee's contract to dump Eddy Curry. I am. I'd like to get the most for him that I can, but you cannot generalize that I think he is worth nothing. Second, I believe there is a high likelihood that another team overpays for Lee's services. I am among the few people here who hope that we don't overpay for him when we are attempting to clear cap space for 2010. He is a phenomenal player and my favorite current Knick, but I don't want to be over-emotional to the extent that I ignore the effect of the lack of other talent on the Knicks, the abundance of wild shooters and a coach that runs a free-styling fast paced offense on the statistics of this player.

You keep using generalities to bolster your argument... but please post a link where it is suggested that anyone on this board would trade Lee straight up for Sergio without dumping Curry's salary or getting some combination of Bayless/Outlaw/Webster back also. I don't remember any, how many people could really support that?
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1/29/2009  1:52 PM
You are correct....7M. IMO I think it will difficult for them to commit that much $$ to Lee.
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1/29/2009  1:52 PM
Out of those teams I would say Detroit has the most serious shot at getting Lee. The other teams like OKC & Mem aren't real contenders for Lee's services. Unless they offer him something stupid like a max contract.

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1/29/2009  1:59 PM
Just before the last draft, Lee stopped a trade to Memphis by announcing publicly that he wouldn't re-sign there. If he doesn't want to play for Memphis, he also might not want to play for OKC.
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1/29/2009  2:03 PM
Portland could easily trade Travis Outlaw and a second rounder on draft night for a future first to a team under the cap. Which would be $3.6mil in additional cap space putting them at about a little over $9mil in cap space($49.7-$3.6mil=$46.1). If they keep their first rounder add about $1.2mil= $47.3. If the Cap drops say $2mil to $56 there you have it. They could also front load Lee's first yr salary putting it over $11mil to start. Since Bayless looks like he can play point for stretches Blake becomes expendable an expiring they could easily be unloaded.

Shamsports.com proves to be a little more accurate when it comes to factoring team salary.

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-29-2009 2:09 PM]
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1/29/2009  2:06 PM
56 - 47.3 gives Lee a starting salary of slightly less than 9M....a figure I think NY matches. How are you getting 11M?
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1/29/2009  2:08 PM
Also...keep in mind that Portland would have to dump its players to free salary, then sign Lee without a guarantee that the Knicks would not match. Thats a risk.
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1/29/2009  2:10 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:

Portland could easily trade Travis Outlaw and a second rounder on draft night for a future first to a team under the cap. Which would be $3.6mil in additional cap space putting them at about a little over $9mil in cap space($49.7-$3.6mil=$46.1). If they keep their first rounder add about $1.2mil= $47.3. If the Cap drops say $2mil to $56 they you have it. They could also front load Lee's first yr salary putting it over $11mil to start. Since Bayless looks like he can play point for stretches Blake becomes expendable an expiring they could easily be unloaded.

Shamsports.com proves to be a little more accurate when it comes to factoring team salary.

We can match what ever Portland offers. The only way they can get Lee from us is if we agree to sign and trade. So after they trade away assets and let assets walk just to get enough money to be able to sign Lee. They are going to have to trade away more assets to be able to sign and trade for him as well.

On a side note Carlos Boozer is also a free agent.
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1/29/2009  2:13 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Also...keep in mind that Portland would have to dump its players to free salary, then sign Lee without a guarantee that the Knicks would not match. Thats a risk.


In the example given it essentially would be


Outlaw, Frye, Diogu, 2009 2nd

4

Lee with a front loaded contract(reverse the escalating 8% raise) first yr salary over $11mil and a future 1rst


That's a no brainer if you ask me.


In theory this is very similar to what Atlanta did to get Joe Johnson from Phx
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1/29/2009  2:15 PM
If the Knicks don't trade Lee at the deadline, other teams cap figures are likely to change so you can't say who will or won't have the cap space to sign him to a restricted deal this summer.

Why would the Knicks want to risk losing Lee for nothing this summer when they can trade him at the deadline for draft picks, cheaper young players and/or cap space?
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1/29/2009  2:15 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by Andrew:

Also...keep in mind that Portland would have to dump its players to free salary, then sign Lee without a guarantee that the Knicks would not match. Thats a risk.


In the example given it essentially would be


Outlaw, Frye, Diogu, 2009 2nd

4

Lee with a front loaded contract(reverse the escalating 8% raise) first yr salary over $11mil and a future 1rst


That's a no brainer if you ask me.


In theory this is very similar to what Atlanta did to get Joe Johnson from Phx

we give Lee to POR with a First round for caca?
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1/29/2009  2:16 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by GallOfFame:

Portland could easily trade Travis Outlaw and a second rounder on draft night for a future first to a team under the cap. Which would be $3.6mil in additional cap space putting them at about a little over $9mil in cap space($49.7-$3.6mil=$46.1). If they keep their first rounder add about $1.2mil= $47.3. If the Cap drops say $2mil to $56 they you have it. They could also front load Lee's first yr salary putting it over $11mil to start. Since Bayless looks like he can play point for stretches Blake becomes expendable an expiring they could easily be unloaded.

Shamsports.com proves to be a little more accurate when it comes to factoring team salary.

We can match what ever Portland offers. The only way they can get Lee from us is if we agree to sign and trade. So after they trade away assets and let assets walk just to get enough money to be able to sign Lee. They are going to have to trade away more assets to be able to sign and trade for him as well.

On a side note Carlos Boozer is also a free agent.


You would match giving Lee a contract starting first yr at $9-....11+mil if they were to frontload? You realize not only would that be Top Market value for Lee but he'd also make about $1-2mil extra in 2010 if he got a front loaded.
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