Posted by TMS:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TMS:

signing Lee to a lucrative extension is like staying w/a soft 17 when the dealer's showing an ace... u might win if the dealer busts, but it's a stupid choice to make.

I couldn't disagree more, but it's looking like we're just gonna wait and see what Walsh does. We've both worn our arguements down as much as we can.

look either way u go it carries big risks... if u sign up D Lee u might be passing up a chance to land a bigger fish in 2 years... if u pass up D Lee u run the risk of losing a very good player... my point is if we're gonna take a risk, run the bigger risk & go for the bigger pot of gold... this is not the time to play it safe, not when 2010 is the biggest year of free agency in the past 20 years.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TMS:

signing Lee to a lucrative extension is like staying w/a soft 17 when the dealer's showing an ace... u might win if the dealer busts, but it's a stupid choice to make.

I couldn't disagree more, but it's looking like we're just gonna wait and see what Walsh does. We've both worn our arguements down as much as we can.

look either way u go it carries big risks... if u sign up D Lee u might be passing up a chance to land a bigger fish in 2 years... if u pass up D Lee u run the risk of losing a very good player... my point is if we're gonna take a risk, run the bigger risk & go for the bigger pot of gold... this is not the time to play it safe, not when 2010 is the biggest year of free agency in the past 20 years.

The problem is that if you trade Lee and Nate, or worse, let them walk, I still say the chances of getting TWO FAs are extremely marginal, let alone ONE. We still need to have an actual team in place, b/c if we don't, then it will take years to rebuild, b/c we gave up 2 of our best players. We have to have a team to sell to these guys. Dlee, Nate, Chandler, the possibility of resigning Duhon, if we can and Gallo may be enough to attract one. Maybe 2 if we can trade Jefferies. I don't think we can attract any without those 2 guys (Considering everybody around the league LOVES Nate and has a lot of respect for DLee) AND I doubt Duhon would resign with us.

To me, the better thing is continueing to stock up on good players while maintaining the capspace we have. That's 2 good things. Two good chances.

Just assuming that 2 FAs will attract eachother and go to a team that doesn't actually have a team is not smart business AT ALL. These guys want to go to a place where they think they'll win a championship.

ur scenario is not possible... we won't have the cap space to sign Lebron if u re-sign Lee, Nate & Duhon... if u can somehow dump Jefferies then maybe u can sign Lebron, but that's it... forget about signing another FA other than those guys cuz u still have Curry's $11 mil on the books along w/Chandler, Gallo & whoever we draft this year in the 1st round.

Posted by Allanfan20:

TMS. Do you really think LeBron is going to come to a team like that? He's going to go to a team that has the best chance to win a championship AND can pay him the most. He's not going to a Knicks team without a smart PG like Duhon and he's not going to come to a team without any attractive players. Hate to say it, but how's Gallo gonna attract him? Curry? No way. And he's not interested in us having picks. He wants to have a team ready to contend. Cleveland the way it is is FAR better than the Knicks with just Curry, Gallo, Jefferies and Chandler. No free agent is gonna want to come to a team like that, no matter how many picks we have.

And didn't we already establish that if we sign LeBron and go over the cap, we can THEN use the MLE? If so, we'd still have enough to grab LeBron if we had Nate and Lee, most likely.

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Posted by TMS:

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Posted by TMS:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TMS:

signing Lee to a lucrative extension is like staying w/a soft 17 when the dealer's showing an ace... u might win if the dealer busts, but it's a stupid choice to make.

I couldn't disagree more, but it's looking like we're just gonna wait and see what Walsh does. We've both worn our arguements down as much as we can.

look either way u go it carries big risks... if u sign up D Lee u might be passing up a chance to land a bigger fish in 2 years... if u pass up D Lee u run the risk of losing a very good player... my point is if we're gonna take a risk, run the bigger risk & go for the bigger pot of gold... this is not the time to play it safe, not when 2010 is the biggest year of free agency in the past 20 years.

The problem is that if you trade Lee and Nate, or worse, let them walk, I still say the chances of getting TWO FAs are extremely marginal, let alone ONE. We still need to have an actual team in place, b/c if we don't, then it will take years to rebuild, b/c we gave up 2 of our best players. We have to have a team to sell to these guys. Dlee, Nate, Chandler, the possibility of resigning Duhon, if we can and Gallo may be enough to attract one. Maybe 2 if we can trade Jefferies. I don't think we can attract any without those 2 guys (Considering everybody around the league LOVES Nate and has a lot of respect for DLee) AND I doubt Duhon would resign with us.

To me, the better thing is continueing to stock up on good players while maintaining the capspace we have. That's 2 good things. Two good chances.

Just assuming that 2 FAs will attract eachother and go to a team that doesn't actually have a team is not smart business AT ALL. These guys want to go to a place where they think they'll win a championship.

ur scenario is not possible... we won't have the cap space to sign Lebron if u re-sign Lee, Nate & Duhon... if u can somehow dump Jefferies then maybe u can sign Lebron, but that's it... forget about signing another FA other than those guys cuz u still have Curry's $11 mil on the books along w/Chandler, Gallo & whoever we draft this year in the 1st round.

if you don't re-sign Nate, Duhon and Lee before the summer of 2010, sign Lebron and then sign those 3 guys, you can do have those 3 guys with Lebron.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Allanfan20:

TMS. Do you really think LeBron is going to come to a team like that? He's going to go to a team that has the best chance to win a championship AND can pay him the most. He's not going to a Knicks team without a smart PG like Duhon and he's not going to come to a team without any attractive players. Hate to say it, but how's Gallo gonna attract him? Curry? No way. And he's not interested in us having picks. He wants to have a team ready to contend. Cleveland the way it is is FAR better than the Knicks with just Curry, Gallo, Jefferies and Chandler. No free agent is gonna want to come to a team like that, no matter how many picks we have.

And didn't we already establish that if we sign LeBron and go over the cap, we can THEN use the MLE? If so, we'd still have enough to grab LeBron if we had Nate and Lee, most likely.

teams w/cap space don't get the MLE... in 2010 & 2011 we have cap space so we won't be getting the MLE to use those seasons... the only time we can use the MLE to help us is in 2009, which pretty much hampers any chance of signing a max FA in 2010 regardless, so the MLE is not really an option unless u can dump Jefferies' or Curry's contract.

& again, it is not just Chandler & Gallo that will attract Lebron in 2 years... it's the chance to play w/another max FA AND whatever 2 prospects we end up drafting in 2009, who could be very good players in their own right if we do end up trading D Lee & Nate this season.

Duhon will be there for us to sign if we can dump Jefferies or Curry, but having Lee & Nate both on the roster in 2010 pretty much rules out any chance of us signing another max FA... bottomline this comes down to whether or not u'd rather have Lee & Nate or another max guy, i choose the latter.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Actually, it MAY be possible for Nate to accept the qualifying offer, b/c he may want to raise his value a little more, but Lee is going to get big time money this Summer. We have a better chance of getting THREE free agents in 2010 than Lee accepting the QO.