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islesfan
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1/27/2009  1:19 PM
Posted by 30andOverClub:
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I can't think of a trade where Thorn has not done very well. He also has a great draft record. He gets it and the Nets made a run, revamped and got a jump start on rebuilding. The Kidd trade was brilliant without the draft pick.

Overstating a bit IMHO. I submit the following, all first round picks: Antoine Wright, Marcus Williams, Sean Williams, (so far) Ryan Anderson.

Ryan Anderson? He's better than Gallinari and he was taken 15 picks later than Il Bustino.

6'10" forward/center who's shooting 37.3% from the field on the year. You can have him.

His role is to play on the perimeter on offense. He's also a much better rebounder and defender. And he's durable.

And I'm also not claiming that he's "special" and overrating him the way most people around here are doing with Gallinari.

[Edited by - islesfan on 27-01-2009 1:21 PM]
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1/27/2009  1:25 PM
Just for laughs:
Ryan Anderson doesn't exactly know how he hurt his right shoulder. But he does know when the injury hurt him most.

Anderson, the Nets' second pick in the first round of the 2008 draft, was playing Ping-Pong with a friend at the Nets' practice facility in East Rutherford on Wednesday night when a sharp pain shot through his right shoulder.

Anderson reported to the morning shootaround Thursday to prepare for Thursday night's preseason game against the Celtics at the Meadowlands. He said his shoulder felt slightly better, but he still wasn't able to play. Anderson said the pain was "really bad" on Wednesday.

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1/27/2009  1:25 PM
And I'm also not claiming that he's "special" and overrating him the way most people around here are doing with Gallinari.

Who are most people?
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1/27/2009  1:25 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Just for laughs:
Ryan Anderson doesn't exactly know how he hurt his right shoulder. But he does know when the injury hurt him most.

Anderson, the Nets' second pick in the first round of the 2008 draft, was playing Ping-Pong with a friend at the Nets' practice facility in East Rutherford on Wednesday night when a sharp pain shot through his right shoulder.

Anderson reported to the morning shootaround Thursday to prepare for Thursday night's preseason game against the Celtics at the Meadowlands. He said his shoulder felt slightly better, but he still wasn't able to play. Anderson said the pain was "really bad" on Wednesday.

LOL. Awesome find Andrew.

Atleast Gallinari was hit by a Tractor Traylor!
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Andrew:

Just for laughs:
Ryan Anderson doesn't exactly know how he hurt his right shoulder. But he does know when the injury hurt him most.

Anderson, the Nets' second pick in the first round of the 2008 draft, was playing Ping-Pong with a friend at the Nets' practice facility in East Rutherford on Wednesday night when a sharp pain shot through his right shoulder.

Anderson reported to the morning shootaround Thursday to prepare for Thursday night's preseason game against the Celtics at the Meadowlands. He said his shoulder felt slightly better, but he still wasn't able to play. Anderson said the pain was "really bad" on Wednesday.

LOL. Awesome find Andrew.

Atleast Gallinari was hit by a Tractor Traylor!

i thought Australians were supposed to be a lot tougher than Euros.
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1/27/2009  1:31 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Just for laughs:
Ryan Anderson doesn't exactly know how he hurt his right shoulder. But he does know when the injury hurt him most.

Anderson, the Nets' second pick in the first round of the 2008 draft, was playing Ping-Pong with a friend at the Nets' practice facility in East Rutherford on Wednesday night when a sharp pain shot through his right shoulder.

Anderson reported to the morning shootaround Thursday to prepare for Thursday night's preseason game against the Celtics at the Meadowlands. He said his shoulder felt slightly better, but he still wasn't able to play. Anderson said the pain was "really bad" on Wednesday.

Just for laughs I'd post all the injury news on Gallinari, but you don't have the bandwidth.
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1/27/2009  1:32 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
And I'm also not claiming that he's "special" and overrating him the way most people around here are doing with Gallinari.

Who are most people?

Have you read the board lately?
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1/27/2009  1:34 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Andrew:

Just for laughs:
Ryan Anderson doesn't exactly know how he hurt his right shoulder. But he does know when the injury hurt him most.

Anderson, the Nets' second pick in the first round of the 2008 draft, was playing Ping-Pong with a friend at the Nets' practice facility in East Rutherford on Wednesday night when a sharp pain shot through his right shoulder.

Anderson reported to the morning shootaround Thursday to prepare for Thursday night's preseason game against the Celtics at the Meadowlands. He said his shoulder felt slightly better, but he still wasn't able to play. Anderson said the pain was "really bad" on Wednesday.

LOL. Awesome find Andrew.

Atleast Gallinari was hit by a Tractor Traylor!

i thought Australians were supposed to be a lot tougher than Euros.

I don't get it, did Anderson miss half the season because of injury too? Is he not capable of playing back to back games like Gallinari?
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1/27/2009  2:00 PM
I agree with most of what Sebstar has said.

Every yr we talk about great moves that the Nets have done. But they don't really do anything results wise.

Sure when they got the #1 pick KMart and traded Marbury for Kidd it got them to the finals for 2 yr when the east was a joke. There record in the finals those 2 yrs is 2-8.

All the great moves that Thorn has done has prevented the Nets from sucking horribly. They have for the most part stayed a level above mediocre.

When Kmart was traded for 3 draft picks it was a supposed great move. Because it got them so many draft picks. The picks turned into Vince Carter, that was a great move because it got them Vince Carter. At the end of the day though all Carter has done is got them out of the first rd one yr. Trading Kidd for Devin Harris and there draft pick is a brilliant move. Yet with Devin Harris & Vince Carter the Nets have only been medicocre.

They drafted Marcus Williams which was a great move as it got them a lottery type of PG. They drafted Sean Williams whcih was a great move as it got them a lottery type of athlete. They drafted Josh Boone which was a steal where they landed him.

Every draft pick every trade the Nets get hyped up as ready to take over the NBA. I'm still waiting.
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1/27/2009  2:07 PM
Also why doesn't Thorn get any heat for taking Antoine Wright over Danny Granger.
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1/27/2009  2:37 PM
Nets look like they are rebuilding and creating cap room.

Two trips the the finals back to back are treated lightly.

Our 1999 miricle run is treated with glory and reverance.

What did the knicks really do in the 1990's? about the same.

BTW, real fans are not logical. So I understand nobody can see otherwise.

Except for Isles, whose love grows the more we fail.
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1/27/2009  3:12 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Nets look like they are rebuilding and creating cap room.

Two trips the the finals back to back are treated lightly.

Our 1999 miricle run is treated with glory and reverance.

What did the knicks really do in the 1990's? about the same.

BTW, real fans are not logical. So I understand nobody can see otherwise.

Except for Isles, whose love grows the more we fail.

I'll take this part only. Not to take it TOO lightly, but they won 52 and 49 games those two years which nabbed them the 1 and 2 seeds respectively. 4 Western Conference teams had better records in 2002. 6 better in 2003. All of the very best teams were in the Western Conference. In many ways, it's like winning the NL Central division.
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1/27/2009  3:14 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by 30andOverClub:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by 30andOverClub:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I can't think of a trade where Thorn has not done very well. He also has a great draft record. He gets it and the Nets made a run, revamped and got a jump start on rebuilding. The Kidd trade was brilliant without the draft pick.

Overstating a bit IMHO. I submit the following, all first round picks: Antoine Wright, Marcus Williams, Sean Williams, (so far) Ryan Anderson.

Ryan Anderson? He's better than Gallinari and he was taken 15 picks later than Il Bustino.

6'10" forward/center who's shooting 37.3% from the field on the year. You can have him.

His role is to play on the perimeter on offense. He's also a much better rebounder and defender. And he's durable.

And I'm also not claiming that he's "special" and overrating him the way most people around here are doing with Gallinari.

[Edited by - islesfan on 27-01-2009 1:21 PM]

Great, so he's absolutely terrible at his "role". He shoots a percentage somewhere between Anthony Roberson and Fred Jones, two guys who will be lucky to have NBA contracts next year. Wait, scratch that: two guys who are lucky to have NBA contracts THIS year.
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1/27/2009  3:27 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Also why doesn't Thorn get any heat for taking Antoine Wright over Danny Granger.

That was completely insane and he should get heat for that... but then again, a lot of GMs don't get heat for passing on Granger because, well, a lot of GMs made the same mistake
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1/27/2009  3:33 PM
2 NBA Finals and it would have been three in a row had kidd and martin not broke down against detriot. They found a way to make the playoffs just about every where thorn has been with the team and now have a solid young core that includes a top flight pg and one of the best young centers in the league, a tradeable asset and cap space. If we had that core in place we would be able to secure bosh and lebron without blinking and win championships for by the 3's...

It's not Thorns fault they are in NJ
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Posted by MS:

2 NBA Finals and it would have been three in a row had kidd and martin not broke down against detriot. They found a way to make the playoffs just about every where thorn has been with the team and now have a solid young core that includes a top flight pg and one of the best young centers in the league, a tradeable asset and cap space. If we had that core in place we would be able to secure bosh and lebron without blinking and win championships for by the 3's...

It's not Thorns fault they are in NJ

I could be wrong with my history here, but isn't it the case that in Thorn's first year with New Jersey (2000-01), the Nets went 26-56 despite having the #1 pick in the draft (Kenyon Martin) and a player that made the All-Star Game (Marbury)?

It's not Walsh's fault it's only his first year with the Knicks.
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1/27/2009  8:43 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:


Every draft pick every trade the Nets get hyped up as ready to take over the NBA. I'm still waiting.

I think you hit the nail on the head. With so many Thorn groupies around here, (gag) his supposed brilliant picks and moves get front page headlines, while his mediocre results get put on page 11, if at all. The hype that people afford him allows his reputation as a "genius" to continue floating.

Walsh has the better resume.
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1/27/2009  9:23 PM
Posted by 30andOverClub:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I can't think of a trade where Thorn has not done very well. He also has a great draft record. He gets it and the Nets made a run, revamped and got a jump start on rebuilding. The Kidd trade was brilliant without the draft pick.

Overstating a bit IMHO. I submit the following, all first round picks: Antoine Wright, Marcus Williams, Sean Williams, (so far) Ryan Anderson.

To make a fair evaluation of draft picks, you have to look at where they were drafted.
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1/27/2009  11:17 PM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by 30andOverClub:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I can't think of a trade where Thorn has not done very well. He also has a great draft record. He gets it and the Nets made a run, revamped and got a jump start on rebuilding. The Kidd trade was brilliant without the draft pick.

Overstating a bit IMHO. I submit the following, all first round picks: Antoine Wright, Marcus Williams, Sean Williams, (so far) Ryan Anderson.

To make a fair evaluation of draft picks, you have to look at where they were drafted.

This is fine, but when the position is taken that someone has a "great draft record", shouldn't we suppose that they were able to find at least one gem outside of the lottery?

The Spurs brain trust took Tony Parker 28th, Manu Ginobli 57th, and Luis Scola 55th.

Heck, Isiah took Trevor Ariza 43rd, Nate Robinson 21st, David Lee 30th, and Wilson Chandler 23rd in a 4 year period.

I see the Nets having 21 or so picks from 2000 when Thorn took over, a few which were traded for, and only one (?) which was traded away. Kenyon Martin, Richard Jefferson, and Brook Lopez were taken in the lottery. The only other players of worth not taken in the lottery were Krstic, Josh Boone, and Kyle Korver who was traded for cash considerations.

[Edited by - 30andoverclub on 01-27-2009 11:17 PM]
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