Jazz, Vanhorn has just a little rope with you and a few others here, don't try and act like you guys wanna give him a fair shake. Van Horn playing for the knicks will get the ball where he wants it, plus he doesn't have a point guard hogging the ball making team mates wait until the shot clock is running down for them to recieve the ball. These are the things VanHorn needs to be able to produce for the amount of money he's making. Chaney will run plays for him and on the knicks he won't be an after thought like he was on Sixers team with IVO.

So why make those statements about KVH , you can nick pick most guys in the NBA if you wanna find Faults. Has Vanhorn played in a game for the knicks where he had the ball in the last 10 seconds yet? So what is your point?

Take Marbury, Jermaine, and Francis off that list, as they are not superstars. Put Webber and Carter on it (even though I think they're both soft). The first three guys belong on the second-tier list, headed by Ben Wallace and former superstars like Malone and Payton. Francis is a lot like Marbury, a really talented athlete who can't get over himself to play the sport the way it needs to be played to win. Those guys need to remember that Magic Johnson didn't become a superstar by playing one-on-one ball. Lebron is on his way to making them look bad, by being a first-rate ball distributor.

Anyway, KVH is a solid player, and has been ever since he came into the league. The knock on him is how he disappears in the postseason, which will continue to be a knock until he proves otherwise (in the playoffs). These media idiots make it sound like the guy doesn't produce in regular games, which is revisionist and ludicrous. He is not, however, a superstar. The Knicks haven't had a superstar since Ewing. Spree may have been a media darling, and a really determined player, but he has always been, even in his prime with the Warriors, a second- or third-tier star.

If you can't get a superstar, at least fortify all your positions with top-notch guys. The Knicks, under the ownership of Dikhed Dolan, have fortified their roster with bench-players, and then overpaid them. Allan, KVH, McD are all starter-class players, but the rest of the team is bench-meat, even Kurt.

OK he's not a "superstar" in the league but I think he will be an all-star this yr. My beef is people are saying what he will do on the knicks based on what he did on teams that weren't good fits for his style of play. DEFNREB EXPLAINED IT QUITE WELL.

Why no new posts in this thread after the last game?

Yeah, I know. LMAO

people are funny on this site.

knicks suck. van horn is a elevator

up and down.

knicks will play very meidocre. any one that cant accurately evaluate the talent on the knicks is a buffoon.

i dont want to be politcally corect.

knicks are mediocre at best.

Since LJSTILLGRANDMA, only posted 6 times or so I see you are coming out like a ****roache.... when the light comes on! Watch the game tonight and post.

HARDCORE look at TMAC'S stats !!! Because he has had successive bad games does it make him a scrubb ??? HELL NO !! KVH had on bad game due to a blowout & sitting on the bench !!!! WHOOP DE DO !!!! The brotha is avg. 19pts & 8rebs & H2O is avg 28pts

Personal attacks on KVH are silly he will have better games than bad as soon as we right this ship this yr.