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King1
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1/24/2009  9:35 PM
that is about 4 points and 3 less rebounds than what Lee is getting since he has been starting 10 million is sounding like a deal for Lee.
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1/24/2009  9:42 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Anji:

You would have to trade Lee to get Amare.

u'd have to trade more than Lee to get Amare... put Stoudamire on this team & he'll instantly be averaging 24 & 9 if not better, i don't doubt that for a split second.


Is 24/9 really any better than say 16/12 when 24/9 will command a salary of $16-18mil and 16/12 will command a salary of $9-11mil?
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1/24/2009  9:47 PM
17.0 and 13.2 since trade.

4 games below 10 points with Z.Bo.
0 games below 10 points since trade.

On a sidenote, google has this document service thing- where you don't even need to use excel anymore and stuff. Can do it all online using google. W00t.

[Edited by - knicksfansince94 on 01-24-2009 9:48 PM]

And to answer the question of is 24/9 better than... No, I don't think it is, especially if that 24/9 comes with a low basketball IQ and a borderline prima donna attitude.

[Edited by - knicksfansince94 on 01-24-2009 9:49 PM]
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1/24/2009  10:15 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Anji:

You would have to trade Lee to get Amare.

u'd have to trade more than Lee to get Amare... put Stoudamire on this team & he'll instantly be averaging 24 & 9 if not better, i don't doubt that for a split second.


Is 24/9 really any better than say 16/12 when 24/9 will command a salary of $16-18mil and 16/12 will command a salary of $9-11mil?

24/9 is also getting double teammed in the lowpost and opening up opportunities for the rest of the tema, hence, making them better. 24/9 will also be the focal point of the offense, in terms of being able to dump it down to him and allow him to get a basket. This is beyond numbers.
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1/24/2009  10:17 PM
Good point, Uptown. Hadn't looked at it like that.
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1/24/2009  10:19 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Anji:

You would have to trade Lee to get Amare.

u'd have to trade more than Lee to get Amare... put Stoudamire on this team & he'll instantly be averaging 24 & 9 if not better, i don't doubt that for a split second.


Is 24/9 really any better than say 16/12 when 24/9 will command a salary of $16-18mil and 16/12 will command a salary of $9-11mil?

24/9 is also getting double teammed in the lowpost and opening up opportunities for the rest of the tema, hence, making them better. 24/9 will also be the focal point of the offense, in terms of being able to dump it down to him and allow him to get a basket. This is beyond numbers.

Amare does not camp in the post like you think and no one is double teaming him now. Have you've been watching the Suns this yr? I'm not saying which player I think is better I just don't think Amare will be salary worth better than Lee.
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1/24/2009  10:27 PM
Amare get the same amount of assists as Lee and he has a hall of famer getting doubled in the post so amare can roam the perimeter.
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1/25/2009  9:27 AM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Anji:

You would have to trade Lee to get Amare.

u'd have to trade more than Lee to get Amare... put Stoudamire on this team & he'll instantly be averaging 24 & 9 if not better, i don't doubt that for a split second.


Is 24/9 really any better than say 16/12 when 24/9 will command a salary of $16-18mil and 16/12 will command a salary of $9-11mil?

24/9 is also getting double teammed in the lowpost and opening up opportunities for the rest of the tema, hence, making them better. 24/9 will also be the focal point of the offense, in terms of being able to dump it down to him and allow him to get a basket. This is beyond numbers.

Amare does not camp in the post like you think and no one is double teaming him now. Have you've been watching the Suns this yr? I'm not saying which player I think is better I just don't think Amare will be salary worth better than Lee.


I've absolutely watched him this year. Everything has changed. Nash isn't the same, Amare, Bell wasn't the same player either before he got traded. Theres no room in the paint with Shaq planted in there. Everyone is playing off of Shaq now when in the past they played off a point guard with the paint as open as the Atlantic. Last year, when Shaq arrived, D'Antoni didn't change much and forced Shaq to fit in. Porter has changed that. He has the offense trying to fit around Shaq. Its a big adjustment everyone.

This isn't the type of team that you would put around Shaq. The most successful PF's that played with Shaq were defensive/role playing PF's who could hit an open jumper off of Shaq's double teams. Horace Grant, Haslem, Robert Horry, AC Green. None of those guys need the ball to be affective. Amare does because he's a scoring PF. It doesn't work. Lee would actually fit next to Shaq because he's more in the molds of a scrappy PF. Amare would work next to a defensive Center, ala Camby etc..

Amare can make the mid range jumper, but his game is that of a finisher in the paint. Those opportunities are minimal now with Shaq, forcing Amare to pick his spots. Thats hard to do. The same with Nash. Both have had inconsistant numbers this year because they are still trying to find there way.
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1/25/2009  10:48 AM
^^^ Shaq is a load, but Amare is still averaging 20/9 witha couple of blocks. When Lee played with Zach he was doing what, 10/10 or 10/9. Does anybody believe Lee will keep up these numbers if we get anybody to play in the front court? I don't.
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1/25/2009  2:58 PM
One of the reasons that I want to sign Lee and not trade him is that I don't think he's finished improving. Amare will be the same player next season that he is now. Lee will have a better jump shot and be scoring 18-20 a game. And Lee brings intangibles that Amare doesn't. He's a better passer and he doesn't need the ball. That's not to say Lee is a better player than Amare or even will be, but when you factor in the other players necessary to make that trade, I'm not sure I'd want to do it.

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1/25/2009  3:14 PM
Posted by Ira:

One of the reasons that I want to sign Lee and not trade him is that I don't think he's finished improving. Amare will be the same player next season that he is now. Lee will have a better jump shot and be scoring 18-20 a game. And Lee brings intangibles that Amare doesn't. He's a better passer and he doesn't need the ball. That's not to say Lee is a better player than Amare or even will be, but when you factor in the other players necessary to make that trade, I'm not sure I'd want to do it.

Amare's a finished product and Lee is not? Why? Is the Lee the only one working in the summer to improve his game? Put Stoudamire in MDA's system and at his best, Stoudamire is a legit MVP candidate. We've already seen it a coupe of years ago.

BTW if we resign Lee, maybe we have enough to win a chip. Would Wade and Lee be enough of a combo to win us a chip? I dont see it. Besides, whose linning to play with Lee.

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1/25/2009  5:35 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Anji:

You would have to trade Lee to get Amare.

u'd have to trade more than Lee to get Amare... put Stoudamire on this team & he'll instantly be averaging 24 & 9 if not better, i don't doubt that for a split second.


Is 24/9 really any better than say 16/12 when 24/9 will command a salary of $16-18mil and 16/12 will command a salary of $9-11mil?

yeah it is.
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1/25/2009  5:42 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Anji:

You would have to trade Lee to get Amare.

u'd have to trade more than Lee to get Amare... put Stoudamire on this team & he'll instantly be averaging 24 & 9 if not better, i don't doubt that for a split second.


Is 24/9 really any better than say 16/12 when 24/9 will command a salary of $16-18mil and 16/12 will command a salary of $9-11mil?

yeah it is.


It isn't not according to salary paid especially at the rate the salary would escalate limiting future flexibility.
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1/25/2009  5:57 PM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Anji:

You would have to trade Lee to get Amare.

u'd have to trade more than Lee to get Amare... put Stoudamire on this team & he'll instantly be averaging 24 & 9 if not better, i don't doubt that for a split second.


Is 24/9 really any better than say 16/12 when 24/9 will command a salary of $16-18mil and 16/12 will command a salary of $9-11mil?

yeah it is.


It isn't not according to salary paid especially at the rate the salary would escalate limiting future flexibility.

Amare will bring more W's to the Knicks than Lee & he'll be a better drawing card for any potential FA, trust... it's better... our cap situation is fine after 2010 even if we had Amare on the books longterm at max salary.
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