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1/23/2009  12:07 PM
And just because we have Gallo doesn't mean the Knicks should stop looking for talented shooters on the perimeter... the Suns with MDA were a good team because they had four guys who hit 45% of their jump shots and 40% of their 3PA
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1/23/2009  12:07 PM
Posted by joec32033:


Incoming Players
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from
11.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.9 apg in 25.6 minutes
Ben Gordon
6-3 SG / PG from Connecticut
20.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
1.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.0 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
14.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 3.5 apg in 28.1 minutes
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
1.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.3 minutes

I don't mean to be critical here, but why the heck would Chicago want Curry back? And to just get Nate in return?
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1/23/2009  12:09 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'd prefer a Rip Hamilton type to a Ben Gordon type

Rip Hamilton is currently on the bench too.....Too bad Dumars signed him to a 15 year contract.
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1/23/2009  12:09 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by joec32033:


Incoming Players
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from
11.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.9 apg in 25.6 minutes
Ben Gordon
6-3 SG / PG from Connecticut
20.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
1.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.0 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
14.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 3.5 apg in 28.1 minutes
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
1.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.3 minutes

I don't mean to be critical here, but why the heck would Chicago want Curry back? And to just get Nate in return?

They need a post presence. Relatively low risk high reward. Nate replaces Gordon's production and they get a guy who may be the post player they need. I also do not think that they are one of the teams aiming at 2010.
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1/23/2009  12:09 PM
Posted by jrodmc:
Posted by Nalod:


He is lobbying for contract this summer where there will be few offers at good money.

If he wants a one year audition that can be arranged.

We have our perimeter shooter and his name is Gallo.
[emphasis mine]


One week, and we've suddenly got Scottie Pippen for the next 10 years already.
You people drink a different flavor of Kool-Aid every f-ing 10 minutes.

Consistency folks! It works wonders for your credibility. We're supposed to be fuhuhchucking men on here already, not your prototypical mall sluts! Pick a mindset and live with it.

Nuff said... Bipster, how's that banning thing coming along?

Pippen!? Blasphemy. Gallo is clearly a mix of Larry Bird and Dirk Nowitzki with a little John Stockton handles peppered in.
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1/23/2009  12:10 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by martin:
Posted by joec32033:


Incoming Players
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from
11.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.9 apg in 25.6 minutes
Ben Gordon
6-3 SG / PG from Connecticut
20.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
1.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.0 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
14.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 3.5 apg in 28.1 minutes
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
1.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.3 minutes

I don't mean to be critical here, but why the heck would Chicago want Curry back? And to just get Nate in return?

They need a post presence. Relatively low risk high reward. Nate replaces Gordon's production and they get a guy who may be the post player they need. I also do not think that they are one of the teams aiming at 2010.

of all the teams out there, you think Chicago would risk it on Curry? For real?
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1/23/2009  12:16 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by martin:
Posted by joec32033:


Incoming Players
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from
11.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.9 apg in 25.6 minutes
Ben Gordon
6-3 SG / PG from Connecticut
20.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
1.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.0 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
14.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 3.5 apg in 28.1 minutes
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
1.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.3 minutes

I don't mean to be critical here, but why the heck would Chicago want Curry back? And to just get Nate in return?

They need a post presence. Relatively low risk high reward. Nate replaces Gordon's production and they get a guy who may be the post player they need. I also do not think that they are one of the teams aiming at 2010.

of all the teams out there, you think Chicago would risk it on Curry? For real?

Paxson has to be getting desperate. I know Dallas needs a post guy too. Stack and Shawne Willams for Curry works. Both got a year less than Curry on their contract. Neither is really playing. Trade of headaches.
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1/23/2009  12:18 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by martin:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by martin:
Posted by joec32033:


Incoming Players
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from
11.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.9 apg in 25.6 minutes
Ben Gordon
6-3 SG / PG from Connecticut
20.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
1.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.0 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
14.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 3.5 apg in 28.1 minutes
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
1.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.3 minutes

I don't mean to be critical here, but why the heck would Chicago want Curry back? And to just get Nate in return?

They need a post presence. Relatively low risk high reward. Nate replaces Gordon's production and they get a guy who may be the post player they need. I also do not think that they are one of the teams aiming at 2010.

of all the teams out there, you think Chicago would risk it on Curry? For real?

Paxson has to be getting desperate. I know Dallas needs a post guy too. Stack and Shawne Willams for Curry works. Both got a year less than Curry on their contract. Neither is really playing. Trade of headaches.

regarding Dallas, why would they trade for a player that hasn't and probably won't play this year? With the added risk he balloons up (more!) after another offseason?
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1/23/2009  12:18 PM
Joe, cmon dude. Get real. And I thought your fantasy basketball trades were bad...
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1/23/2009  12:19 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Paxson has to be getting desperate. I know Dallas needs a post guy too. Stack and Shawne Willams for Curry works. Both got a year less than Curry on their contract. Neither is really playing. Trade of headaches.

They need someone who can play basketball. Not someone who can sit on their IR until July 2011. What are you missing here? Curry is 355+ and can't even jog. It would take 6 months to get back into NBA game shape and that's only if the player is willing of which it's quite obvious Eddy doesn't care one bit.

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1/23/2009  12:19 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'd prefer a Rip Hamilton type to a Ben Gordon type

Rip Hamilton is currently on the bench too.....Too bad Dumars signed him to a 15 year contract.

Yeah... I think you're right but HoopsHype hasn't updated the Piston's salary page... but anyway, I mean more in terms of Hamilton's style versus Gordon, not the actual players. The Knicks need a guy that is always running and curling off of screens. I think that would add a nice dimension to the offense
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1/23/2009  12:23 PM
Posted by joec32033:

We unload Curry, he fits and his contract is shorter than Jamal's.

Curry = Untradable. He is destined to replace JJ1 as a bench warmer slash cheerleader. No GM in their right mind will trade for his 3 years 30M+ fat lazy ass until he shows some self respect Maybe he'll show up for camp next year in shape and healthy and we might have a chance to trade him, otherwise, he's the NYK's new 15th man. Might as well get used to it

I think more realistically you might see something with Charlotte in a few weeks, namely some kind of a Diaw for Chandler and filler deal. (maybe Q-Rich and Singletary)
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1/23/2009  12:37 PM
If other teams are so worried about Curry's health, the DPE for him at some point has to be the way to go. I am not saying it isn't a risk for Chicago, nor am I saying that it is even possible, but desperate GM's make desperate moves. I think that a team like Dallas or Chicago would make a move on Curry to get rid of a headache in the hope they can fix him. I don't see a Charlotte deal happening at all.
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1/23/2009  12:43 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by jrodmc:
Posted by Nalod:


He is lobbying for contract this summer where there will be few offers at good money.

If he wants a one year audition that can be arranged.

We have our perimeter shooter and his name is Gallo.
[emphasis mine]


One week, and we've suddenly got Scottie Pippen for the next 10 years already.
You people drink a different flavor of Kool-Aid every f-ing 10 minutes.

Consistency folks! It works wonders for your credibility. We're supposed to be fuhuhchucking men on here already, not your prototypical mall sluts! Pick a mindset and live with it.

Nuff said... Bipster, how's that banning thing coming along?

Pippen!? Blasphemy. Gallo is clearly a mix of Larry Bird and Dirk Nowitzki with a little John Stockton handles peppered in.


Im thinking a mix of Dirk, Bird and Ginobli.

Im thinking Gallo for next year and beyond to fill that need.


[Edited by - nalod on 23-01-2009 12:45 PM]
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1/23/2009  1:04 PM
"I don't see a Charlotte deal happening at all."

The rumor dejur after the Diaw/Bell trade was that they would eventually be shipped to NY for possibly Curry and Lee, possibly assuming, i guess, that Curry would be healthy and in some kind of playing shape by the trading deadline at which point Charlotte could see what kind of player he still is. At this point it seems the chances the Knicks would trade Lee are about as likely as anyone being interested in Curry. But....there's still the possibility that Charlotte obtained these players for a future trade with NY and never intended to keep them, especially Diaw's 3 years remaining on his contract.

To that end, I think there can atleast be discussions with the Knicks which would likely involve other players for Diaw. A Diaw/Singletary for Q/Chandler works in terms of $$$
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1/23/2009  4:37 PM
Why sign Gordon when we have Nate, who can provide about 85% of Gordon's production at 50% the cost? Gordon is not a good defender, is a streaky shooter, is undersized for 2-guard, and cannot play the point. While he is great in the role of instant offense off the bench, he considers himself a starter and will want $9-10 million a year. We can sign nate for $4-$5 million and Nate can easily fill that same role.
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1/23/2009  4:42 PM
Posted by TheGame:

Why sign Gordon when we have Nate, who can provide about 85% of Gordon's production at 50% the cost? Gordon is not a good defender, is a streaky shooter, is undersized for 2-guard, and cannot play the point. While he is great in the role of instant offense off the bench, he considers himself a starter and will want $9-10 million a year. We can sign nate for $4-$5 million and Nate can easily fill that same role.

Totally disagree about Nate providing 85% of Gordon's production. In this system Ben Gordon would be an all-star - he's 100X more consistent then Nate is.
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1/23/2009  4:56 PM
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Why sign Gordon when we have Nate, who can provide about 85% of Gordon's production at 50% the cost? Gordon is not a good defender, is a streaky shooter, is undersized for 2-guard, and cannot play the point. While he is great in the role of instant offense off the bench, he considers himself a starter and will want $9-10 million a year. We can sign nate for $4-$5 million and Nate can easily fill that same role.

Totally disagree about Nate providing 85% of Gordon's production. In this system Ben Gordon would be an all-star - he's 100X more consistent then Nate is.

I don't disagree that overall Gordon is a more consistent player than Nate, but is he really going to be our starting SG. And if he is a bench player, can this team really afford a $10 million 6th man when we are trying to sign Lebron and another max player. Nate was averaging about 17 points before the injury and I think he can be a 18 pt scorer off the bench. If you can get Nate for $4.5 million, I think that will be a better deal for the team rather than paying Gordon $10 million, unless you think Gordon can be a starting SG on a playoff team, which I am not necessarily saying he cannot be. In a world with no salary cap, getting Gordon would be a no brainer, but there is a salary cap and we have to look at the big picture.
Totally disagree about Nate providing 85% of Gordon's production. In this system Ben Gordon would be an all-star - he's 100X more consistent then Nate is.

[Edited by - thegame on 23-01-2009 16:57]
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1/23/2009  5:02 PM
Posted by TheGame:
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Why sign Gordon when we have Nate, who can provide about 85% of Gordon's production at 50% the cost? Gordon is not a good defender, is a streaky shooter, is undersized for 2-guard, and cannot play the point. While he is great in the role of instant offense off the bench, he considers himself a starter and will want $9-10 million a year. We can sign nate for $4-$5 million and Nate can easily fill that same role.

Totally disagree about Nate providing 85% of Gordon's production. In this system Ben Gordon would be an all-star - he's 100X more consistent then Nate is.

I don't disagree that overall Gordon is a more consistent player than Nate, but is he really going to be our starting SG. And if he is a bench player, can this team really afford a $10 million 6th man when we are trying to sign Lebron and another max player. Nate was averaging about 17 points before the injury and I think he can be a 18 pt scorer off the bench. If you can get Nate for $4.5 million, I think that will be a better deal for the team rather than paying Gordon $10 million, unless you think Gordon can be a starting SG on a playoff team, which I am not necessarily saying he cannot be. In a world with no salary cap, getting Gordon would be a no brainer, but there is a salary cap and we have to look at the big picture.

[Edited by - thegame on 23-01-2009 16:57]

I agree with you about your concerns, but I think there is one major thing we disagree on.

I don't think Ben Gordon is going to get anywhere near 10million. He should have taken that 9mill/yr an offer that the Bulls gave him and ran. His stock has dipped and I'm thinking he's looking more likely to be a 7mill/yr player, which really isn't a far cry from the 4.5mill/yr we'd be baying for Nate and we'd be getting, I believe, a much better all around player . I certainly wouldn't go much higher than the 7/yr for Gordon though.
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1/23/2009  5:09 PM
BG is not worth what he wants.
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