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1/18/2009  10:42 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
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he was a little shaky, but he did show some promise. i hope he can play the rest of the season. we certainly can use his shooting and playmaking abilities.

the funny thing is the 6 points in 15 minutes he put up last nite is already better than what Bayless is averaging for the season... i still don't get why u think we made such a huge mistake passing up on that guy.

he's a super athletic combo guard who can run all day and jump through the roof and shoot lights out. he's lighting it up now that he is getting real playing time - 23pts and 14pts both on 6-9FG. i just think he would've been a better fit for the team and he was a known quantity. At the draft we did not have Duhon and we all knew Marbury was not playing here (or that's what I assumed) so I thought we desperately needed another guard. He was a quality one we could have had. What's been one of our main problems all year? lack of depth at guard. Qrich has been one of the least effective starters in the NBA for four years now, Duhon leads the league in minutes and Nate has been a trainwreck.

I am not rooting against Gallo, i like the kid and I want him to be great. but the pick scared the hell out of me because I agreed with Walsh that it had to be a "cant miss" pick and you had guys on the board who fit that and then you had a mystery in Gallo who no one saw play - by no one i mean Walsh or D'antoni. But he looks promising and I wil be rooting for him like any other knick - i just wanted other guys over him. and i do think Bayless is an explosive player.

fair enough, but what if Gallo were to put up a 20 pt. game effort w/increased playing time... will ur viewpoint on this change or will u just hold onto ur belief that we made a big mistake passing up on Bayless? i mean our need was for a pass first PG, something that Bayless is definitely not... we already had Nate on the roster who is also an explosive undersized SG... & i disagree w/u, he has not been a trainwreck for the entire season... he was actually making people talk about him as a very talented young G earlier in the season when he was putting up #'s.
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1/18/2009  11:03 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by crzymdups:

he was a little shaky, but he did show some promise. i hope he can play the rest of the season. we certainly can use his shooting and playmaking abilities.

the funny thing is the 6 points in 15 minutes he put up last nite is already better than what Bayless is averaging for the season... i still don't get why u think we made such a huge mistake passing up on that guy.

This is how I look at last yr's draft - we should've taken Bayless. Marbury was as good as gone even at that point (pre nonsense) and Bayless was the best PG prospect in the draft (I don't even want to hear about Augustin, as good as he is). Even though he's a scorer he has enough ability to eventually round into a decent enough playmaker to run a club IMO. I mean he ran a decent enough show last yr. in Arizona as a freshman when Nic Wise was out right? OK. That was the move to make. Now having said that, there's no denying this kid Gallinari has some ability and before you close the book on this kid, we gotta see for ourselves if he can play or not and if he's a keeper. Wanted Bayless, thought we needed Bayless more than anything else (McGee or Lopez would've been nice too - Curry's a friggin' stiff, we could've used a center as well), but I'll live with Gallo as long as he shows that he can play and contribute. Step 1 accomplished last night. Now we have to build on that. I don't see how you look at this situation any other way. It is what it is, Knick fan have to learn to deal with the reality of the situation and learn to hopefully make the best of it.
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1/18/2009  11:10 AM
Posted by Finestrg:
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he was a little shaky, but he did show some promise. i hope he can play the rest of the season. we certainly can use his shooting and playmaking abilities.

the funny thing is the 6 points in 15 minutes he put up last nite is already better than what Bayless is averaging for the season... i still don't get why u think we made such a huge mistake passing up on that guy.

This is how I look at last yr's draft - we should've taken Bayless. Marbury was as good as gone even at that point (pre nonsense) and Bayless was the best PG prospect in the draft (I don't even want to hear about Augustin, as good as he is). Even though he's a scorer he has enough ability to eventually round into a decent enough playmaker to run a club IMO. I mean he ran a decent enough show last yr. in Arizona as a freshman when Nic Wise was out right? OK. That was the move to make. Now having said that, there's no denying this kid Gallinari has some ability and before you close the book on this kid, we gotta see for ourselves if he can play or not and if he's a keeper. Wanted Bayless, thought we needed Bayless more than anything else (McGee or Lopez would've been nice too - Curry's a friggin' stiff, we could've used a center as well), but I'll live with Gallo as long as he shows that he can play and contribute. Step 1 accomplished last night. Now we have to build on that. I don't see how you look at this situation any other way. It is what it is, Knick fan have to learn to deal with the reality of the situation and learn to hopefully make the best of it.

on Bayless, i don't think the Knicks ever viewed him as a viable option at PG to begin with... i think they had their sights set on Westbrook if they couldn't get that Mayo for Lee deal done... then when Westbrook was taken i think they then decided to take Gallo... i don't think Gallo was the guy they wanted all along, i know a lot of you like to hold onto that belief... i just don't buy it.

as for taking Lopez & McGee, i will agree w/u on McGee & disagree w/u on Lopez... i don't think Lopez is the ideal fit on an uptempo style offense... there were a few posters around here advocating taking him but i wasn't 1 of them... he seems to have shown himself to be worthy of a higher pick no doubt but i don't think the Knicks were ever gonna take him regardless... on McGee, other than BRIGGS i dunno who else was that much in taking him so high in the draft... i think McGee is definitely someone who could have helped right away in our style of game, he looks to be a young Marcus Camby type player w/better range on his jumpshot (not as great a rebounder), which would seem to fit nicely w/what MDA is trying to do here... again, that's easy to say in hindsight but taking him at #6 might have been just as much of a reach at the time as well... i think we have to see Gallo play more before we can knock the pick too much either way.
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1/18/2009  11:11 AM
I thought the kid looked good...he had poise and wasn't fazed by the crowd this time around. He looked like he's been playing. He's gonna be open alot cuz most of the guys have been all year. He's gonna hit more shots...I just can't wait to see him have his first breakout game....I bet he has one before the all-star break
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1/18/2009  11:19 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by crzymdups:

he was a little shaky, but he did show some promise. i hope he can play the rest of the season. we certainly can use his shooting and playmaking abilities.

the funny thing is the 6 points in 15 minutes he put up last nite is already better than what Bayless is averaging for the season... i still don't get why u think we made such a huge mistake passing up on that guy.


not only that, but I have seen bayless shoot, which is supposed to be his strong suit and so far, I have seen bricks from beyond the arc..

Danillo has shown nothing short of a sweet stroke....
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1/18/2009  11:24 AM
Posted by tkf:
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he was a little shaky, but he did show some promise. i hope he can play the rest of the season. we certainly can use his shooting and playmaking abilities.

the funny thing is the 6 points in 15 minutes he put up last nite is already better than what Bayless is averaging for the season... i still don't get why u think we made such a huge mistake passing up on that guy.


not only that, but I have seen bayless shoot, which is supposed to be his strong suit and so far, I have seen bricks from beyond the arc..

Danillo has shown nothing short of a sweet stroke....

how many games has Nate put up 20+ games scoring this year & people are saying we blew our chance to take Bayless & that Nate's been a trainwreck all year... i don't get how u can say someone putting up Roberson like #'s would have been doing such a great job for us over someone who's averaged 15-17 a night all season long before his recent slump.
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1/18/2009  11:27 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
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he was a little shaky, but he did show some promise. i hope he can play the rest of the season. we certainly can use his shooting and playmaking abilities.

the funny thing is the 6 points in 15 minutes he put up last nite is already better than what Bayless is averaging for the season... i still don't get why u think we made such a huge mistake passing up on that guy.

he's a super athletic combo guard who can run all day and jump through the roof and shoot lights out. he's lighting it up now that he is getting real playing time - 23pts and 14pts both on 6-9FG. i just think he would've been a better fit for the team and he was a known quantity. At the draft we did not have Duhon and we all knew Marbury was not playing here (or that's what I assumed) so I thought we desperately needed another guard. He was a quality one we could have had. What's been one of our main problems all year? lack of depth at guard. Qrich has been one of the least effective starters in the NBA for four years now, Duhon leads the league in minutes and Nate has been a trainwreck.

I am not rooting against Gallo, i like the kid and I want him to be great. but the pick scared the hell out of me because I agreed with Walsh that it had to be a "cant miss" pick and you had guys on the board who fit that and then you had a mystery in Gallo who no one saw play - by no one i mean Walsh or D'antoni. But he looks promising and I wil be rooting for him like any other knick - i just wanted other guys over him. and i do think Bayless is an explosive player.


ultra athletic? shoot lights out? come on, that is a bit much. Bayless is a very good leaper, but he is not even the athlete nate is. I think people confuse leaping ability with being a great athlete. Bayless has a hard time finishing with body contact he doesn't create, not a good passer, and shooting lights out? so far he is 1-10 from three this year and 34% FG... that is far from lights out..

What seperates him from nate, except the fact that most of us are tired of nates antics and bricks? this kid is shooting worse than nate just about.. I guess because he is a rookie and the new toy in the wish chest, he is all of a sudden, this great thing we past up on..

Well I can live with the gallo pick. so far he has twice as many threes as bayless and he did it in just 1 game. I expect a lot more from gallanari, so we will see how everyone feels 15 games from now..
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1/18/2009  11:53 AM
Actually, I think that once Gallo stops growing he is gonna play either center-like like Rik Smits(Rik came into the league at 250. Gallo is listed at 225. Give Gallo a couple years of training try and get 10-15 lbs of muscle on him in 2 years) and we can get Gallo(c), Lee(pf).

Don't forget, Rik was 7-4, and will have around 5-6 inches on Gallo.

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1/18/2009  11:58 AM
right now he's at least a good 6'10" cuz he's definitely taller than D Lee... i can maybe see him growing another inch or 2 at best, & will definitely put on some bulk as he gets more used to the NBA workout regimens... 1 article i read said the Knicks conditioning coach put him on the standard NBA program of lifting weights & that may have had an adverse effect on his back... who knows if that's just BS or not but i can see how a guy who's not used to doing much weight training overseas might have experienced some back pain after starting to work out on a regular basis... i think he'll get used to it over time
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1/18/2009  12:00 PM
Posted by TMS:
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Posted by crzymdups:

he was a little shaky, but he did show some promise. i hope he can play the rest of the season. we certainly can use his shooting and playmaking abilities.

the funny thing is the 6 points in 15 minutes he put up last nite is already better than what Bayless is averaging for the season... i still don't get why u think we made such a huge mistake passing up on that guy.


not only that, but I have seen bayless shoot, which is supposed to be his strong suit and so far, I have seen bricks from beyond the arc..

Danillo has shown nothing short of a sweet stroke....

how many games has Nate put up 20+ games scoring this year & people are saying we blew our chance to take Bayless & that Nate's been a trainwreck all year... i don't get how u can say someone putting up Roberson like #'s would have been doing such a great job for us over someone who's averaged 15-17 a night all season long before his recent slump.

you think Roberson is the same player as Bayless based on points per game? the NBA is about opportunity and Bayless has been buried on the bench until very recently. and he has thrived in those recent opportunities. if he was a knick, i guarantee he would have been playing 30 minutes a night since about december 1.

also, if you think Nate is doing well here you haven't been paying attention. D'Antoni dislikes him - he destroys the offense, he's a selfish player. He'll be gone by the start of next season. He's not in the long-term plans at all. He's gone.
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1/18/2009  12:05 PM
obviously i don't think Bayless is no better than Robersuck, but it's funny to me how u are making comparisons of Bayless to Nate when he's done nothing so far in this league & Nate has already put up numerous 30+ pt games over his short NBA career.

i disagree w/u about him seeing nearly 30 mpg on this team too... i think Nate is still a better player than he is right now by a considerably wide margin... i'm not saying Bayless doesn't have the potential to be the best player taken in his draft either, just saying it's way too early to tell either way, on him & on Gallo... it makes me chuckle when i see the bust labels being thrown around when you're talking about a kid who hasn't even played in Gallo & then others talking about how we made a huge mistake not taking Bayless, who has until recently not been able to win any playing time even when healthy.

as for Nate, if u think he's been garbage all year it's clear to me that u're the one who hasn't been paying attention bro.
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1/18/2009  12:09 PM
Nate has had moments of individual success, but they've come at the expense of the team lately. He won't be kept on. I thought he was doing extremely well until that Lakers game where Kobe told him he was great - since then Nate has been out of control and taking horrible shots that have ruined the offensive flow.

It's all hypothetical how many minutes Bayless would get here, but I think it's safe to say we need another guard badly. And I don't think he's the best player in the draft, that's Rose, Mayo, Beasely. I liked Westbrook better than Bayless, too. But once those four are gone I thought Bayless was BPA. It's neither here nor there.

But if I could trade Nate for Bayless straight up I would do it in a heartbeat. And Portland would say no way just as quickly.
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1/18/2009  12:15 PM
i agree, Nate probably doesn't factor into our longterm plans... & i don't begrudge ur preference of Bayless over Gallo cuz we all had our picks, just debating the basis of why u think Bayless would have made so much more sense for the Knicks to take over Gallo is all... whatever, we'll find out eventually who was the smarter pick in due time.
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1/18/2009  12:16 PM
Iike every other room, Gallo needs PT! I think he looked good but still showed a tendency to stop playing and get caught just watching the action. I like his passing and looking to drive when defenders ran out to him. He clearly needs to get stronger.

I think people tend to forget that he's 6-10 when they criticize his handle. Are you kidding me?!? The guy moved great with the ball on drives and was nimble driving the base line on that missed reverse layup. They think he's stiff? Well we must've forgotten how Frye moved with the ball! It's night and day! Gallo is fluid enough to get by his man and that's what counts, not how he looks doing it.
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1/18/2009  12:52 PM
Can u imagine when this kid gets his legs and gets comfortable? He's got all kinds of game, but needs experience. As for the team game, he's already got that. If Nate and Al had passed him the ball more it might've helped. Having one more guy that shares the ball will eventually make a difference.
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1/18/2009  1:58 PM
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you think Roberson is the same player as Bayless based on points per game? the NBA is about opportunity and Bayless has been buried on the bench until very recently. and he has thrived in those recent opportunities. if he was a knick, i guarantee he would have been playing 30 minutes a night since about december 1. also, if you think Nate is doing well here you haven't been paying attention. D'Antoni dislikes him - he destroys the offense, he's a selfish player. He'll be gone by the start of next season. He's not in the long-term plans at all. He's gone.

I don't think Roberson should be compared to Bayless, but...

Why do you think that Bayless has been buried on the bench?? He is a shoot first/pass later undersized SG who cannot play D in the post at the 2 position. He is more similar to Nate than you think. Why do you think that Sergio R. and Rudy F get more time on the floor than him. Yeah, he is a rookie, but ...

He is not going to have much of a future on Portland, other than being a gunner coming off the bench to ignite the team. He seems to be fearless (sometimes foolish) going to the basket, has a good jumper (I like his form more than Nate's), and can make his free throws. I am a bit surprised about his lack of 3pt range, though- don't know if is by choice or because his range is limited.

The Blazers don't seem to think that he can play PG on a regular basis, and he is not going to take many minutes from Roy or Fernandez. I could even see Batum playing at the 2 at some point in his career, so Bayless seems to be destined to be a 15-20 minute player at most on Portland. I expect, though, that they will look to trade him at some point.

I don't know about other people, but I want my SG to be between 6'3"-6'7" in this league. Bayless is under 6'2" and has short arms, and from the games I have seen he does not have the strength of a SG.

I am one of the people who think you have to wait about 3 years before you really know what you have in a drafted player. Gallo, Bayless, Randolph, Gordon, etc., cannot be judged at this point. I just don't know why people can't be patient before deciding a player is a good pick or a bust.

We got a small taste of what Gallinari may bring to the Knicks someday. Unless his back injury is chronic, I think we got a versatile player who will eventually show he can do more than just shoot 3's.

Time to sit back and watch him progress as a player. I am sure there will be some bumps in his progress, which some of you will gleefully post about, but I think we have a guy who can be a key figure in the Knicks future.

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1/18/2009  3:28 PM
The Knicks worked out Bayless and were not sold on him being what the Knicks needed at the draft. He has yet to prove them wrong, There is no arguement.

Maybe 5-6 yrs down the road he can develop into the type of PG that Devin Harris is like Harris did.

Gallo was taken for not only his potential but for his character and the cultural change taking place. Same reason why Duhon targeted and signed. Gallo has a confidence and swagger to him, yet he is an intangible team player. The test is when he gets some yrs under his belt what type of player does that character lead him to be.

I don't see Gallo being a strong all around rebounder though. In all the scouting reports Ive read, and all the footage I have seen, along with the stats he has put up. It has all pointed to the fact that he is a pretty good offensive rebounder, but he is lacking in the defensive rebounding department by a PF standards. He really needs to add another 15-20pds. And continue to develop his face up game. Guy like Thabeet with his size and defensive specialities would be the perfect compliment for Lee & Gallo at the forward positions.
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1/18/2009  3:31 PM
Kid didn't look half bad. Way better than I expected after all the wait and all the noise people talk about him here.
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1/18/2009  4:57 PM
I think the kid looked better tonight coming off the 6month back injury then he did when he was supposedly healthy back in summer league.

I think this kid could be the a better version of AL Harrington. Al plays better D, but this kid is a better shooter, Scorer, dribbler, and passer.

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