Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by TheGame:

Never understood why Walsh just gave Collins away. Other than Duhon, he was the only true pg we had on the team and he was our best perimeter defender. They should have sent Roberson packing and kept Mardy.

Somehow Walsh thinks Roberson has value. At least, thats what reports said months ago. I think that D'Antoni's benching has sent Walsh a message.

I just wish Walsh was more pro-active. Its obvious Roberson has no place on the team. He isn't a Curry or a Jerome or a Jeffries. In other words, you can buy him out because of his short contract. There ARE, no doubt in my mind, more talented players, especially guards, playing in the NBDL. Your team is going nowhere and any talent you can find will have twice its value to your franchise. Try it out. Buy out Roberson and start handing 10-days contracts to see what happens.

I couldn't agree more with this. If there ever was a criticism of Donnie Walsh, this is it. No question he could've done a little bit of a better job of improving the roster with young low-risk players early on (Gerald Green, Jaycee Carroll, who's playing well in the Italian league so far btw--almost 18 ppg, over 50% FGs, over 50% from 3--and Justin Williams were all available and all made sense at the time). If I were at the controls, I would've added all three before the season started to fill some needs such as adding more shooting, more backcourt depth and a mimimum wage shot-blocker/hustler). Only problem is that they would've had to have bought out some contracts in order to make room. Shouldn't have been a problem, but I have a feeling Dolan refuses to go that way anymore. I just have a funny feeling that Dolan is the one who's gotten in the way of making improvements requiring going this route. I could see Dolan telling Donnie early on, "look, with all of Isiah's mistakes along with the Larry Brown disaster and payout, I'm out millions & I refuse to buy out another contract to fix a problem. I trust you, you want to sign a player, fine, but now you gotta live with him." So yeah, Dolan refusing to conduct buyouts to open up the roster and Donnie's willingness to keep expiring contracts around to hopefully use in potential deals at some point (Malik, Steph) are the two reasons why we were unable or unwilling to add some of the cheap talent that was available before the season began.

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by TheGame:

Never understood why Walsh just gave Collins away. Other than Duhon, he was the only true pg we had on the team and he was our best perimeter defender. They should have sent Roberson packing and kept Mardy.

Somehow Walsh thinks Roberson has value. At least, thats what reports said months ago. I think that D'Antoni's benching has sent Walsh a message.

I just wish Walsh was more pro-active. Its obvious Roberson has no place on the team. He isn't a Curry or a Jerome or a Jeffries. In other words, you can buy him out because of his short contract. There ARE, no doubt in my mind, more talented players, especially guards, playing in the NBDL. Your team is going nowhere and any talent you can find will have twice its value to your franchise. Try it out. Buy out Roberson and start handing 10-days contracts to see what happens.

That's why Roberson will remain... while he doesn't have any real value, he is cheap. And the Knicks are bad. So, what's the point of buying him out? A one game improvement?

Its not about games, its about the possibility of finding real cheap talent that can even stay beyond 2010. Even talent for good role players, but anything more than what Roberson promises, which is nothing beyond this year.

I totally agree. Cut Roberson and start trying out some players with potential. I was send Isiah down to the d-league and see if he could find a solid prospect down there. We might be able to find a solid rotation guy on the cheap who we can use next year.

y'all are missing my point. I vibe with finding new talent; what I'm saying is it's a hard sell. What, you think it'll be easy to knock on your boss's door and say, "hey dude, I want to find some new talent... no guarantees, but if you eat a mil and half, maybe we can find a player, maybe not, who knows, but if you keep eating millions, maybe, just maybe, we'll find someone. But maybe not."

Thats better than doing nothing or having nothing, aka Roberson, don't you think? The smallest contract in your roster, a contract that isn't even a million, a contract that doesn't run for another year. Buyouts have been done before, are still being done, and on bigger contracts. Roberson is doing nothing, has no future in the franchise, etc. You are gonna pay him anyway for doing nothing, so why not hurry the process and start experimenting with NBDL talent? Ten-day contracts are there for a reason, and that is to try out a player and if it doesn't work out, you just wasted 10 days. I don't see any downside to this. Pro-active GMs in lottery teams do it, why not us?

No risk, no reward, and the Knicks need plenty of those.




[Edited by - knicksfan on 01-18-2009 3:59 PM]

Posted by GKFv2:

24 posts on Mardy Collins?

Not really. If you read them you'll see many are on the suggestion of buying out Roberson and trying out talent in the NBDL.

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by GKFv2:

24 posts on Mardy Collins?

Not really. If you read them you'll see many are on the suggestion of buying out Roberson and trying out talent in the NBDL.

Yeah I know but the fact remains it's 24 posts in a thread dedicated to Collins on the Clippers.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 01-18-2009 4:02 PM]

Many seem to miss the good ol' times with Mardy. When they are in NY, they hate them with passion and want him gone for a bag of chips or any other thing. Once they are gone, they miss them dearly. Some knicks fans are weird lol

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by GKFv2:

24 posts on Mardy Collins?

Not really. If you read them you'll see many are on the suggestion of buying out Roberson and trying out talent in the NBDL.

And many are about the Great Fred Jones.

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by GKFv2:

24 posts on Mardy Collins?

Not really. If you read them you'll see many are on the suggestion of buying out Roberson and trying out talent in the NBDL.

Yeah I know but the fact remains it's 24 posts in a thread dedicated to Collins on the Clippers.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 01-18-2009 4:02 PM]

Many seem to miss the good ol' times with Mardy. When they are in NY, they hate them with passion and want him gone for a bag of chips or any other thing. Once they are gone, they miss them dearly. Some knicks fans are weird lol

Weird, is a perfect word for it......I agree 100%........The grass is always greener, even if we owned the grass a month ago and it was brown and pee stained.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 19-01-2009 10:31 AM]

Fred Jones is a guy I stuck up for that many wanted gone. I just don't understand the hate.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by GKFv2:

24 posts on Mardy Collins?

Not really. If you read them you'll see many are on the suggestion of buying out Roberson and trying out talent in the NBDL.

Yeah I know but the fact remains it's 24 posts in a thread dedicated to Collins on the Clippers.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 01-18-2009 4:02 PM]

Many seem to miss the good ol' times with Mardy. When they are in NY, they hate them with passion and want him gone for a bag of chips or any other thing. Once they are gone, they miss them dearly. Some knicks fans are weird lol

Weird, is a perfect word for it......I agree 100%........The grass is always greener, even if we owned the grass a month ago and it was brown and pee stained.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 19-01-2009 10:31 AM]

I for one always liked Mardy as a backup PG. Given his size, he could be really useful off the bench as a defensive stopper and as insurance in case Duhon or Nate got hurt. I never wanted to see him go and I certainly don't like the fact that Walsh just gave him away.

[Edited by - thegame on 20-01-2009 09:03]

My grandma could give more quality minutes than Mardy. Mardy sucks. I don't care what stats he's putting up on one of the worst teams in the league. Fluke run I say. Just today he came back to usual Mardy with 4 turnovers and 2-7 shooting. Every time Mardy checked in for us, he sucked. He would commit a turnover, brick a shot and just look clueless on the court. I'm glad he's gone and I don't miss him one bit. I'd rather have Roberson sitting on the bench than Mardy Collins in the game.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 01-19-2009 6:15 PM]