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1/15/2009  7:53 AM
Yeah, you don't build around Lee. You add a Lee with another superstar. I think keeping Lee would increase our chances of attracting a superstar, but we cannot afford it unless we can trade Curry, which is not going to happen now.
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1/15/2009  8:36 AM
TMS i am not saying this bewcause I think Lee is better than Bosh. Bosh team in toronto is terrible and they have more talent than the Knicks so what makes him worth 17 million and a guarantee he can turn the program around?
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1/15/2009  8:48 AM
Posted by King1:

TMS i am not saying this bewcause I think Lee is better than Bosh. Bosh team in toronto is terrible and they have more talent than the Knicks so what makes him worth 17 million and a guarantee he can turn the program around?

the thought process is that if u give Bosh the option of coming to NY to team w/another max FA like Lebron, Wade, Amare or Dirk, that it would appeal to him a lot more than to stay in TOR & keep playing in relative obscurity & not going anywhere.
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1/15/2009  9:07 AM
let's say we could off eddy and fishlips with one fell swoop if we included our #1 or dlee. this would allow us to sign 2 major fa's. would you do it? which would you prefer to give up?

personally i'd give up the #1. i'd re-sign lee and then go full out for that lebron/wade/bosh/amare duo.
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1/15/2009  9:18 AM
and if it's a really sick trade we could include marbury for contracts that expire in 2 years.
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1/15/2009  9:19 AM
Posted by Marv:

let's say we could off eddy and fishlips with one fell swoop if we included our #1 or dlee. this would allow us to sign 2 major fa's. would you do it? which would you prefer to give up?

personally i'd give up the #1. i'd re-sign lee and then go full out for that lebron/wade/bosh/amare duo.

if we could dump both those guys w/either Lee or our #1 i'd go w/Lee... that would likely mean we finish w/such a bad record that we'll be in the top 3 or 4 in the draft this season, practically guaranteeing us a talent like Griffin, Rubio, Jennings or Thabeet... that also gives us the cap room to sign up 2 max FA's & another big contract... i think that would appeal to FA's even more... there's no way in hell we end up w/nothing out of that 2010 class that won't be worth building around w/all that cap space... everyone that keeps saying we won't have anything to attract guys here if we get rid of D Lee is not looking at the big picture IMHO.
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1/15/2009  9:23 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Marv:

let's say we could off eddy and fishlips with one fell swoop if we included our #1 or dlee. this would allow us to sign 2 major fa's. would you do it? which would you prefer to give up?

personally i'd give up the #1. i'd re-sign lee and then go full out for that lebron/wade/bosh/amare duo.

if we could dump both those guys w/either Lee or our #1 i'd go w/Lee... that would likely mean we finish w/such a bad record that we'll be in the top 3 or 4 in the draft this season, practically guaranteeing us a talent like Griffin, Rubio, Jennings or Thabeet... that also gives us the cap room to sign up 2 max FA's & another big contract... i think that would appeal to FA's even more... there's no way in hell we end up w/nothing out of that 2010 class that won't be worth building around w/all that cap space... everyone that keeps saying we won't have anything to attract guys here if we get rid of D Lee is not looking at the big picture IMHO.

of course i wouldn’t mind that scenario but i'd prefer mine. we don't know how any of next year's rookies are gonna pan out but we already know that dlee is a great supporting player who will be a tremendous supporting player for 2 stars, especially sincee he’s so productive without having to have the ball in his hands. I think he’s a bigger draw for fa’s to play with.
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1/15/2009  9:27 AM
D Lee's a better draw than a top 5 rookie & someone like Joe Johnson?
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1/15/2009  9:29 AM
Lee is a unique talent, he plays a role players game at a star level
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1/15/2009  9:31 AM
we don't know it would be top 5. and we don’t know how good that player would be. and joe johnson is a real good player but now you’d have 3 guys wanting to get theirs plus the rookie and wilson chandler? i think you need to think in terms of team chemistry and i bet guys would rather have dlee in that mix.
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1/15/2009  9:32 AM
Posted by Marv:

let's say we could off eddy and fishlips with one fell swoop if we included our #1 or dlee. this would allow us to sign 2 major fa's. would you do it? which would you prefer to give up?

personally i'd give up the #1. i'd re-sign lee and then go full out for that lebron/wade/bosh/amare duo.

If the 1st round pick was top-3 protected, then I would do it and keep Lee but I am not sure we can trade this year's pick since we have to trade next year's pick. My understanding is that you cannot trade 1st round picks in consecutive years.
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1/15/2009  9:38 AM
Posted by Marv:

we don't know it would be top 5. and we don’t know how good that player would be. and joe johnson is a real good player but now you’d have 3 guys wanting to get theirs plus the rookie and wilson chandler? i think you need to think in terms of team chemistry and i bet guys would rather have dlee in that mix.

Boston has 3 guys that u would think all need to get theirs & they've done a terrific job of keeping everyone happy... every championship team needs a big 3 to win... D Lee is not part of any big 3 mix... he's a very good supporting cast player but not a star.

let's say u sign up Lebron, Bosh & Joe Johnson just for argument's sake... someone like Wilson Chandler could then be used as part of a trade to get a pick for 2010... or Walsh could engineer a big trade w/another team that's looking to dump a contract of a very good player & take back more salary than he's giving away... Walsh has many options open to him w/all that cap space... if u lock up D Lee now u hamper urself tremendously flexibility wise IMO.
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1/15/2009  9:47 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Marv:

we don't know it would be top 5. and we don’t know how good that player would be. and joe johnson is a real good player but now you’d have 3 guys wanting to get theirs plus the rookie and wilson chandler? i think you need to think in terms of team chemistry and i bet guys would rather have dlee in that mix.

Boston has 3 guys that u would think all need to get theirs & they've done a terrific job of keeping everyone happy... every championship team needs a big 3 to win... D Lee is not part of any big 3 mix... he's a very good supporting cast player but not a star.

let's say u sign up Lebron, Bosh & Joe Johnson just for argument's sake... someone like Wilson Chandler could then be used as part of a trade to get a pick for 2010... or Walsh could engineer a big trade w/another team that's looking to dump a contract of a very good player & take back more salary than he's giving away... Walsh has many options open to him w/all that cap space... if u lock up D Lee now u hamper urself tremendously flexibility wise IMO.

boston's guys were much later in their careers, at a point where they’ve had the individual honors and were ready to downscale their games to get a ring. you think ray allen contributed more in the playoffs last year than dlee would have in the same scenario?

it's interesting to compare lee to the 3rd best player on recent championships. how does he compare to:

ray allen (the 2008 version)
manu
posey/a walker
rasheed/b wallace
rick fox/robert horry
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1/15/2009  10:54 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

To me, I'd rather keep Lee then dump him just to get rid of a contract, and ONLY for a first round pick, especially in a questionable draft.

I'd rather keep him, and if it means having the ability to just sign 1 FA, then so be it.

Curry is literally untradeable at this point anyway, with that lawsuit. Keep Lee. I'd love to have Nate too, but if you gotto trade him, then do it. Obviously wait for him to get hot though.

You don't trade players who are playing like stars, for 1st round picks. It's bad business.
You're trading Lee for a 1st round pick AND the ability to sign a star, not for just a pick. If you keep Lee, you're gambling that Lee will be better than the combination of BOTH the player with the pick and the player(s) we sign with extra cap space.

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1/15/2009  11:01 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Marv:

we don't know it would be top 5. and we don’t know how good that player would be. and joe johnson is a real good player but now you’d have 3 guys wanting to get theirs plus the rookie and wilson chandler? i think you need to think in terms of team chemistry and i bet guys would rather have dlee in that mix.

Boston has 3 guys that u would think all need to get theirs & they've done a terrific job of keeping everyone happy... every championship team needs a big 3 to win... D Lee is not part of any big 3 mix... he's a very good supporting cast player but not a star.

let's say u sign up Lebron, Bosh & Joe Johnson just for argument's sake... someone like Wilson Chandler could then be used as part of a trade to get a pick for 2010... or Walsh could engineer a big trade w/another team that's looking to dump a contract of a very good player & take back more salary than he's giving away... Walsh has many options open to him w/all that cap space... if u lock up D Lee now u hamper urself tremendously flexibility wise IMO.

boston's guys were much later in their careers, at a point where they’ve had the individual honors and were ready to downscale their games to get a ring. you think ray allen contributed more in the playoffs last year than dlee would have in the same scenario?

it's interesting to compare lee to the 3rd best player on recent championships. how does he compare to:

ray allen (the 2008 version)
manu
posey/a walker
rasheed/b wallace
rick fox/robert horry

To win the chip team must have players who play their roles, do dirty work, execute the coach plan.
If you have this guy already why not to hold on to him? It is not easy to get this type of players.
Only idiots are letting them go.


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1/15/2009  11:06 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Allanfan20:

To me, I'd rather keep Lee then dump him just to get rid of a contract, and ONLY for a first round pick, especially in a questionable draft.

I'd rather keep him, and if it means having the ability to just sign 1 FA, then so be it.

Curry is literally untradeable at this point anyway, with that lawsuit. Keep Lee. I'd love to have Nate too, but if you gotto trade him, then do it. Obviously wait for him to get hot though.

You don't trade players who are playing like stars, for 1st round picks. It's bad business.
You're trading Lee for a 1st round pick AND the ability to sign a star, not for just a pick. If you keep Lee, you're gambling that Lee will be better than the combination of BOTH the player with the pick and the player(s) we sign with extra cap space.

We already have the ability to sign a star, and we still will if we sign Lee. Being able to sign 2 top FAs will be difficult no matter what, especially with Curry. Too much of a gamble.
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1/15/2009  11:14 AM
is it safe to say Lee officially has a good jump shot?
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1/15/2009  11:15 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Marv:

we don't know it would be top 5. and we don’t know how good that player would be. and joe johnson is a real good player but now you’d have 3 guys wanting to get theirs plus the rookie and wilson chandler? i think you need to think in terms of team chemistry and i bet guys would rather have dlee in that mix.

Boston has 3 guys that u would think all need to get theirs & they've done a terrific job of keeping everyone happy... every championship team needs a big 3 to win... D Lee is not part of any big 3 mix... he's a very good supporting cast player but not a star.

let's say u sign up Lebron, Bosh & Joe Johnson just for argument's sake... someone like Wilson Chandler could then be used as part of a trade to get a pick for 2010... or Walsh could engineer a big trade w/another team that's looking to dump a contract of a very good player & take back more salary than he's giving away... Walsh has many options open to him w/all that cap space... if u lock up D Lee now u hamper urself tremendously flexibility wise IMO.

boston's guys were much later in their careers, at a point where they’ve had the individual honors and were ready to downscale their games to get a ring. you think ray allen contributed more in the playoffs last year than dlee would have in the same scenario?

it's interesting to compare lee to the 3rd best player on recent championships. how does he compare to:

ray allen (the 2008 version)
manu
posey/a walker
rasheed/b wallace
rick fox/robert horry

Ray Allen was a 26 ppg scorer when he came to the Celtics... he scaled down his game, it's true... the same would happen to D Lee, so don't expect him to be putting up the same #'s if we had a Bosh or Lebron here playing alongside him, it just wouldn't happen... sure he does the dirty work & all good teams need players like that, but all great teams need elite talent to win championships, & if it takes trading Lee to ensure us a chance of landing 2, i take my chances there.
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1/15/2009  11:24 AM
the difference is Lee is asking for Big three money those guys are all max players. If you dont have any decent players none of these guys will come here to rebuild.
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1/15/2009  11:26 AM
If you dont resign Lee that could go down as a trade as bad as Curry. You're giving away a top 5 rebounder for virtually nothing. Lee has all the leverage now and he isnt going to fall off he is only going to get better.
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