Posted by islesfan:

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bippity10:

Oh wait, I forgot, it's all this rosters fault and it's not worth trying to coach them.

I always thought of you as a funny guy who got on people's nerves but argued points, and was "your biggest supporter" during your banning. But I guess I might have been wrong. You want to talk and discuss basketball or do you want to be a 6 year old and keep bringing up the same nonsense that was never said. I'm all for the debate, but this nonsense I think I wasted far too much time talking about. I don't come here to flame and misrepresent. I come here to discuss. Point out where I said it isn't worth trying to coach them or move on already. These are the conversations I expect to have with the children of the board, never expected it from you. But I guess at times I'm too trusting.

same. Isles, you are turning into "you add nothing" poster again. Your baseball talk it OK but you suck as discussing Knicks.

How so? For doing nothing but praising how the team played last night and giving a detailed analysis of the adjustments and pinpoint signs of good coaching from D'Antoni? Or maybe it's because I concurred with DJ's thread that "D'Antoni's offense is terrible". Does DJ add nothing too?

Please tell me what I should have talked about in discussing last night's game. Or basic guidelines that I'm supposed to follow when discussing the Knicks.

Posted by GallOfFame:

When I was showing the defensive numbers rapidly increasing since the trades the pace and style of play was scapegoated as the reason why. Now that Bip sample sizes 7gms which brings our PPG down to the glorious low total of 105.5ppg coach is working his magic.

Unreal!

As if PPG is the only determining factor of an improving defense. I will say the past couple games the team has applied some effort and executed well for the most part on defense but if you sample size our first 7gms of the season 103.1 our PPG is lower than 105.5ppg

Since when is 105.5ppg a barometer to measure anything by?

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by GallOfFame:

When I was showing the defensive numbers rapidly increasing since the trades the pace and style of play was scapegoated as the reason why. Now that Bip sample sizes 7gms which brings our PPG down to the glorious low total of 105.5ppg coach is working his magic.

Unreal!

As if PPG is the only determining factor of an improving defense. I will say the past couple games the team has applied some effort and executed well for the most part on defense but if you sample size our first 7gms of the season 103.1 our PPG is lower than 105.5ppg

Since when is 105.5ppg a barometer to measure anything by?

Nobody said he's working magic. I never did. I'm sure Bip hasn't either. I've just been saying that he's preached defense to a roster that sucks at defense, and now it's slightly starting to improve.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bippity10:

Oh wait, I forgot, it's all this rosters fault and it's not worth trying to coach them.

I always thought of you as a funny guy who got on people's nerves but argued points, and was "your biggest supporter" during your banning. But I guess I might have been wrong. You want to talk and discuss basketball or do you want to be a 6 year old and keep bringing up the same nonsense that was never said. I'm all for the debate, but this nonsense I think I wasted far too much time talking about. I don't come here to flame and misrepresent. I come here to discuss. Point out where I said it isn't worth trying to coach them or move on already. These are the conversations I expect to have with the children of the board, never expected it from you. But I guess at times I'm too trusting.

Why don't you tell me what you're trying to say if you don't think I'm doing a good job in interpreting your words?

Do you think D'Antoni has been coaching this team uniformly over the course of training camp and the first 36 games? Do you think he's made any adjustments that can be seen from a game by game perspective?

Do you think it's worth trying to coach what you call a "23 win team" for the future? If you do, why? Do you think D'Antoni should be held accountable for his coaching this season and next, or do you think that this roster is hopeless and any real judgement has to be done when D'Antoni finally has a team full of players that he likes?

Posted by Bippity10:

Once again, of course. But what is being held accountable? If he wins 33 games with a roster that won 23 games the year before do we hold him accountable for not turning us into a winner. Or do we hold him accountable for what he does with the roster he is given. If I think the roster is capable of 33 wins, and the coach wins 33 games, what am I holding him accountable for?

[Edited by - bippity10 on 13-01-2009 2:07 PM]

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bippity10:

Oh wait, I forgot, it's all this rosters fault and it's not worth trying to coach them.

I always thought of you as a funny guy who got on people's nerves but argued points, and was "your biggest supporter" during your banning. But I guess I might have been wrong. You want to talk and discuss basketball or do you want to be a 6 year old and keep bringing up the same nonsense that was never said. I'm all for the debate, but this nonsense I think I wasted far too much time talking about. I don't come here to flame and misrepresent. I come here to discuss. Point out where I said it isn't worth trying to coach them or move on already. These are the conversations I expect to have with the children of the board, never expected it from you. But I guess at times I'm too trusting.

same. Isles, you are turning into "you add nothing" poster again. Your baseball talk it OK but you suck as discussing Knicks.

How so? For doing nothing but praising how the team played last night and giving a detailed analysis of the adjustments and pinpoint signs of good coaching from D'Antoni? Or maybe it's because I concurred with DJ's thread that "D'Antoni's offense is terrible". Does DJ add nothing too?

Please tell me what I should have talked about in discussing last night's game. Or basic guidelines that I'm supposed to follow when discussing the Knicks.

I was not talking about last nights game but just in general.

Posted by Bippity10:

Oh wait, I forgot, it's all this rosters fault and it's not worth trying to coach them.

I always thought of you as a funny guy who got on people's nerves but argued points, and was "your biggest supporter" during your banning. But I guess I might have been wrong. You want to talk and discuss basketball or do you want to be a 6 year old and keep bringing up the same nonsense that was never said. I'm all for the debate, but this nonsense I think I wasted far too much time talking about. I don't come here to flame and misrepresent. I come here to discuss. Point out where I said it isn't worth trying to coach them or move on already. These are the conversations I expect to have with the children of the board, never expected it from you. But I guess at times I'm too trusting.

Posted by jrodmc:

Posted by Bippity10:

Oh wait, I forgot, it's all this rosters fault and it's not worth trying to coach them.

I always thought of you as a funny guy who got on people's nerves but argued points, and was "your biggest supporter" during your banning. But I guess I might have been wrong. You want to talk and discuss basketball or do you want to be a 6 year old and keep bringing up the same nonsense that was never said. I'm all for the debate, but this nonsense I think I wasted far too much time talking about. I don't come here to flame and misrepresent. I come here to discuss. Point out where I said it isn't worth trying to coach them or move on already. These are the conversations I expect to have with the children of the board, never expected it from you. But I guess at times I'm too trusting.

Hey, Unca Bip, give me a dollah!

Since I can only 'see' the games by watching the Shot Tracker on Yahoo's GameChannel, can someone tell me who the hell put the hurt on Tyson Changling? 10 points? And cosidering we totalled a whole 3 blocks, why were all those interior and mid range jumpers not falling for the Hornets? Fear of Jeffylube is not an answer.

Saw most of the game but it was like 2am when I started watching.

Seems to me the Hornets are a half court team with perimeter players and Tyson gets garbage points. They don't do a lot of pick-n-rolls with Chandler. They post West and he seems to shoot more face-ups then anything. Peja sits out on the perimeter. Paul drives but I didn't see many dumps off to Chandler, don't know if that means Paul was just getting his own, if Tyson just doesn't know how to position himself to get the handoff or just bad luck in not being able to connect.

Posted by GallOfFame:

Posted by Bippity10:

Once again, of course. But what is being held accountable? If he wins 33 games with a roster that won 23 games the year before do we hold him accountable for not turning us into a winner. Or do we hold him accountable for what he does with the roster he is given. If I think the roster is capable of 33 wins, and the coach wins 33 games, what am I holding him accountable for?

[Edited by - bippity10 on 13-01-2009 2:07 PM]

So if we don't win more than 30gms is he held accountable? What's the threshold if you're going to ignore statistics and look at W-L. Then if you give consideration to statistics like in this thread is W-L irrelevant?

[Edited by - GallOfFame on 01-13-2009 2:12 PM]

Posted by holfresh:


I'm glad MDA was able to overturn the rep he had for his teams lacking defense in the 5 and 1/3 years he has coached with the efforts of the Knicks the last 5-7 games...