Posted by Cosmic:

All I got to say is LOL at the melt downs fans are having over us sucking this season. As if we were going to be good anyway. For the millionth time, for which the impatient refuse to believe, we started 5-2 against really BAD teams with BAD injuries to boot. Then the mighty ZachCrawKnicks went on a 1-3 skid (wow never seen THAT happen before) and they were traded at JUST the right time.

It's funny reading we should have kept them until the deadline to get more. More for what? Two garbage players? One who is on the shelf and one who is gleefully chucking his way to losses? What else did you think you were going to get?

It amazes me that there are still fans that either choose not to understand or actually don't understand that we are in the process of tearing down Isiah's mess. That will take an additional 18 months to achieve. Then once that is done, in the summer of 2010, we begin to build the team back up.

Then I see threads blasting the tear down because "nobody is coming here in 2010". Oh, really? How do you know that? Even if the top 4 FAs re-sign with their teams or elsewhere that doesn't change the fact that: a) We HAD to tear down Isiah's mess, b) There are other 2nd level free agents to be had, c) There's nothing wrong with throwing your hat into the 2010 FA market ring.

Mike D was a bad hire? Really? A guy with a good resume, a guy players want to play for, being established before the FA market of 2010 was a bad idea? Walsh and MikeD two highly respected basketball people brought in to clean up the mess Isiah Thomas left behind was a bad idea? How so? You mean we might be returned to being a respectable franchise? My god the horror please make it stop!

We're cleaning up Isiah's mess of a roster and mess of an image he turned this proud franchise into. It will take another year and a half to finish cleaning up Isiah's **** stains. It will then take a year or two to build a competitive team. This is what had to be done over 7 years ago and now it's finally being done for real.

So what's all the crying about? I just can't understand. Yearning for 23 and 33 win seasons guided by the chucking of idiotic players? Upset you can no longer start threads about which MLE free agent was going to push us over the top? No more figuring out how to recycle expiring contracts and our draft picks for other team's overpaid losers?

LOL at all the whining and crying about being a bad team. Seriously some people need to get a clue and fast.

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by Cosmic:

All I got to say is LOL at the melt downs fans are having over us sucking this season. As if we were going to be good anyway. For the millionth time, for which the impatient refuse to believe, we started 5-2 against really BAD teams with BAD injuries to boot. Then the mighty ZachCrawKnicks went on a 1-3 skid (wow never seen THAT happen before) and they were traded at JUST the right time.

It's funny reading we should have kept them until the deadline to get more. More for what? Two garbage players? One who is on the shelf and one who is gleefully chucking his way to losses? What else did you think you were going to get?

It amazes me that there are still fans that either choose not to understand or actually don't understand that we are in the process of tearing down Isiah's mess. That will take an additional 18 months to achieve. Then once that is done, in the summer of 2010, we begin to build the team back up.

Then I see threads blasting the tear down because "nobody is coming here in 2010". Oh, really? How do you know that? Even if the top 4 FAs re-sign with their teams or elsewhere that doesn't change the fact that: a) We HAD to tear down Isiah's mess, b) There are other 2nd level free agents to be had, c) There's nothing wrong with throwing your hat into the 2010 FA market ring.

Mike D was a bad hire? Really? A guy with a good resume, a guy players want to play for, being established before the FA market of 2010 was a bad idea? Walsh and MikeD two highly respected basketball people brought in to clean up the mess Isiah Thomas left behind was a bad idea? How so? You mean we might be returned to being a respectable franchise? My god the horror please make it stop!

We're cleaning up Isiah's mess of a roster and mess of an image he turned this proud franchise into. It will take another year and a half to finish cleaning up Isiah's **** stains. It will then take a year or two to build a competitive team. This is what had to be done over 7 years ago and now it's finally being done for real.

So what's all the crying about? I just can't understand. Yearning for 23 and 33 win seasons guided by the chucking of idiotic players? Upset you can no longer start threads about which MLE free agent was going to push us over the top? No more figuring out how to recycle expiring contracts and our draft picks for other team's overpaid losers?

LOL at all the whining and crying about being a bad team. Seriously some people need to get a clue and fast.

If you are referring to my comments, I don't care about the losing. In fact, I want the team to lose because we really need to get a top-3 pick and bring some solid talent to the team. What I do care about is Walsh making deals that don't maximize our return. I still believe we could have gotten more from the Clippers for Randolph and Collins. While giving Balkman away for a second rounder is not the worst deal in the world, if all we were going to get is a second rounder, then why not keep Balkman until the trade deadline to see if you can package him with someone else to help a trade deal. We could have gotten a second round pick for Balkman at anytime. So I have no probably with rebuilding, but I do have a problem with not getting the most for our assets, especially since we had so few to begin with.

You want our GM/coach to be perfect. To win the lottary with every ticket... It is frustrationg to dream about impossible.
There was only one GM/Coach who was right on target all the time - Isiah Tomas. He always was a loser.

I am not asking him to be perfect, I am simply stating my opinion that he could have gotten more in these deals.

Posted by misterearl:

Trader Joe's Or Trader Vic's?

"David Lee’s days as a Knick may be numbered.”

The (Frank Isola) column names four players (David Lee, Eddy Curry, Quentin Richardson and Nate Robinson) who are most often mentioned in trade rumors. Isola says that prior to the Feb. 19th trading deadline, there’s “a strong possibility that at least one or two of those players” and he continues to single out Lee as the one most likely to leave New York.

However he gives no reason why he believes there’s a high possibility of a trade looming. Isola doesn’t seem to consider that the Knicks may not make any deals prior to the deadline, and simply wait until the summer to make a move.

(The Best Part)

Since there’s no supporting evidence, you have to conclude that Isola is basing this on his own speculation. Isola is assuming that one of these players will be traded because of trade rumors. Yet trade rumors are created (and sometimes fabricated) by newspaper writers like himself. Perhaps there’s a bit of circular logic occurring here.

Isola mentioned that Walsh has told David Lee that he’s not looking to move the young forward, but rather Lee is often mentioned in trade rumors because other teams are interested in him.

However the author uses this statement to prove that Walsh is trying to trade Lee, because Walsh has lied previously (about Marbury being an important asset this season). But this doesn’t make sense on many levels. First it’s possible that Walsh did mean for Marbury to be an important asset for the team, but other circumstances prevented that from coming to fruition. Secondly, even if Walsh was lying on this occasion it doesn’t mean that all his public statements are lies.

Think about this logic for a second. Walsh says that he’s not interested in trading David Lee. From that statement you can conclude:

A. Walsh does not want to trade Lee.

B. Walsh wants to trade Lee.

C. Nothing.

The answer is A if you believe Walsh to always tell the truth. But the only way to conclude that B is true is if Walsh *always* lies. If Walsh occasionally tells lies (to the media) then the correct answer is C. General managers have to hide their feelings and intentions from the public from time to time. But just because they do this doesn’t mean you can take everything they say as a lie and conclude the opposite.

Another place Isola uses faulty logic is when quoting a rival general manager: “Signing David Lee doesn’t hurt the Knicks for 2010… It screws them.” Sure every GM should run their team based on the advice of rival GMs.

What’s next for Isola: “A rival GM of the New York Yankees thinks they should play Teixeira sparingly, perhaps batting him 9th so that he won’t wear prior to the 8th year of his $180M contract.”

It’s quite possible that Walsh moves Lee before the trading deadline. Many of the commenters here have come up with valid reasons to trade or keep Lee. What the Knicks should do is not clear cut in either direction. After reading Isola’s article, I don’t see any evidence of a “strong possibility” that Lee will be traded. All Isola offers is speculation and faulty logic.

The way it’s written, it’s more fit for a Knicks forum not a major newspaper.

- Mike (Knickerblogger)