Kobe having Shaq and playing on better teams is even more reason why you believe he is better? I'm sorry, I dont follow your logic. Unless you are infering that Kobe was also the GM behind the scenes he was the one who orchestrated the signing of Shaq and put that team together. Other than that, I dont follow your logic.

You siad it yourself, the cards he was dealt. Kobe has had a much better hand than Lebron up until this point.

Posted by Uptown:

Kobe having Shaq and playing on better teams is even more reason why you believe he is better? I'm sorry, I dont follow your logic. Unless you are infering that Kobe was also the GM behind the scenes he was the one who orchestrated the signing of Shaq and put that team together. Other than that, I dont follow your logic.

You siad it yourself, the cards he was dealt. Kobe has had a much better hand than Lebron up until this point.

I don't want to argue, because this thread purely opinionated. Once again you are blaming Bryant for "Kobe has had a much better hand than Lebron up until this point."

What was he supposed to do with Shaq, Horry, Fisher, and those guys ? Lose ?

Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'll take LeBron over Kobe any day... Kobe is a great player, but he isn't the beastly, force-of-nature that LeBron is.

The beastly, force of nature that is Lebron will only mater if it brings championships.

Let's wait for 2010. I'll have a better idea of who the best player is

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by Uptown:

Kobe having Shaq and playing on better teams is even more reason why you believe he is better? I'm sorry, I dont follow your logic. Unless you are infering that Kobe was also the GM behind the scenes he was the one who orchestrated the signing of Shaq and put that team together. Other than that, I dont follow your logic.

You siad it yourself, the cards he was dealt. Kobe has had a much better hand than Lebron up until this point.

I don't want to argue, because this thread purely opinionated. Once again you are blaming Bryant for "Kobe has had a much better hand than Lebron up until this point."

What was he supposed to do with Shaq, Horry, Fisher, and those guys ? Lose ?

Its not blamming Kobe, its looking at it from Lebron prospective which you refuse to do. Your bottomline argument seems to be that Kobe is better strictly because he has the rings and MVP. True, he does have more rings but like I said, he aint win those rings by himself. He had hall of fame help. Lebron hasn't at any time in his brief career had the help that Kobe has.

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by Uptown:

Kobe having Shaq and playing on better teams is even more reason why you believe he is better? I'm sorry, I dont follow your logic. Unless you are infering that Kobe was also the GM behind the scenes he was the one who orchestrated the signing of Shaq and put that team together. Other than that, I dont follow your logic.

You siad it yourself, the cards he was dealt. Kobe has had a much better hand than Lebron up until this point.

I don't want to argue, because this thread purely opinionated. Once again you are blaming Bryant for "Kobe has had a much better hand than Lebron up until this point."

What was he supposed to do with Shaq, Horry, Fisher, and those guys ? Lose ?

Its not blamming Kobe, its looking at it from Lebron prospective which you refuse to do. Your bottomline argument seems to be that Kobe is better strictly because he has the rings and MVP. True, he does have more rings but like I said, he aint win those rings by himself. He had hall of fame help. Lebron hasn't at any time in his brief career had the help that Kobe has.

Totally agree. All I'm saying is that Kobe maximized what he had (Shaq), and it resulted in championships.

If Lebron had, say Dwight Howard on the Cavs, would they win it all this year. I think they would.

If the Cavs win a chip this year, I'll say James is better. You have to have something to show for it.

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by Uptown:

Kobe having Shaq and playing on better teams is even more reason why you believe he is better? I'm sorry, I dont follow your logic. Unless you are infering that Kobe was also the GM behind the scenes he was the one who orchestrated the signing of Shaq and put that team together. Other than that, I dont follow your logic.

You siad it yourself, the cards he was dealt. Kobe has had a much better hand than Lebron up until this point.

I don't want to argue, because this thread purely opinionated. Once again you are blaming Bryant for "Kobe has had a much better hand than Lebron up until this point."

What was he supposed to do with Shaq, Horry, Fisher, and those guys ? Lose ?

Its not blamming Kobe, its looking at it from Lebron prospective which you refuse to do. Your bottomline argument seems to be that Kobe is better strictly because he has the rings and MVP. True, he does have more rings but like I said, he aint win those rings by himself. He had hall of fame help. Lebron hasn't at any time in his brief career had the help that Kobe has.

Totally agree. All I'm saying is that Kobe maximized what he had (Shaq), and it resulted in championships.

If Lebron had, say Dwight Howard on the Cavs, would they win it all this year. I think they would.

If the Cavs win a chip this year, I'll say James is better. You have to have something to show for it.

I think if you replace Kobe with Lebron on those Lakers teams, I think they still get the same 3 rings. Maybe we are not giving Shaq as much credit as he deserves because he not only won it with Kobe and Wade, but those guys didn't win without him.

Lebron is gunning for MJ at this point in terms of legacy. Kobe is a great, great basketball player. But Lebron is the closest thing I have seen to an human being machine, since Bo Jackson. He's just unreal.

Yeah, hands down he is the best.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by TMS:

come down to a must win game i'll take my chances w/Kobe still

stfu you west coast batty boy...

What the hell.........

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

3 Championships and 1 MVP compared to 0 and 0.

Hmm...

Kobe and Lebron have the same number of rings without Shaq....ZERO. When has Lebron played with another hall of famer like Kobe, and played for a hall of fame coach?

In the clucth, 5 seconds left, I will still give Kobe the nod....but all around, the complete package (scoring, rebounding, passing, defense, making teamates better..) Lebron is better.

That "Kobe had Shaq" excuse has been old for a while now. Why do people blame Bryant for the cards he was dealt ? Kobe and Shaq simply maximized each other's talents to win 3 championships, that's all.

How come people never say "MJ won 6 because he had Scottie" ?

He not only had scotty, but the league was way' watered down in talent. Look at the teams they faced in the finals. An ancient Kareem, Magic and Worthy team who were into their 30's. Portland, Phoenix who followed for the first three peat. And then Seattle, and Utah twice. Not exactly dynasty teams of the 90's.

The only ones who gave chicago a run for it's money was NY. Detroit also took care of chicago's butts in the early 90's, but eventually they got too old to do it anymore.

But I'd also like to remind people that it wasn't Kobe or Shaq who saved one of those championships years. A guy by the name of Robert Horry saved both of their butts, after they both had their hands on the ball.







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Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'll take LeBron over Kobe any day... Kobe is a great player, but he isn't the beastly, force-of-nature that LeBron is.

for my team, so would i... but like i said there isn't a better big game player in the NBA than Kobe Bryant... until Lebron has proven himself in the postseason like Kobe has, he won't have that same distinction... i'm confident he will someday because he has too much talent not to step up when it counts the most... anyone who thinks the Lakers woulda won those championships w/o Kobe is kidding themselves... he made some damn miraculous shots in big spots to help bring those Laker teams those championships... it wasn't Shaq that got the touches in crunchtime.