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1/9/2009  12:27 PM
What happens if Miles plays overseas or some other league not affliated with the NBA? Will Portland end up paying his salary?
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1/9/2009  1:32 PM
Blazers wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Signing Miles and playing him could easily be defended by saying they needed someone to fill a spot and that Miles was best available. Plus Miles should countersue since Portland is actively trying to prevent people from offering him a job and they are preventing him from money he legitimately is owed (ie an official contract)
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1/9/2009  2:25 PM

Isn't there a bit of insurance fraud if portland is threating to sue another team?

Marbury is mentally disabled? While he is do things like run, jump, and score baskets, he is incapable of winning.

Eddy has a gentetic disorder. He is fat and not interested. Is he not disabled?

Jerome is also.

Are these guys not disabled also?

I say sign him and while negotiating a very favorable trade which portland does not want to do keep sending Dairy-Ass to the bench to check in until portland caves.

Would be funny, Portland GM watching game on TV while his cell phone rings.
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1/9/2009  3:02 PM
From the NBA:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3821503&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines


"Under league rules, teams are free to sign Darius Miles to a Uniform Player Contract if they wish to secure his services as a player, and any such contract would be approved by the NBA,"
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1/9/2009  3:05 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

From the NBA:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3821503&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines


"Under league rules, teams are free to sign Darius Miles to a Uniform Player Contract if they wish to secure his services as a player, and any such contract would be approved by the NBA,"

I think that commenting about this was stupid on Portland's part... now Miles is on each teams' radar.
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1/9/2009  3:11 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by nyk4ever:

From the NBA:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3821503&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines


"Under league rules, teams are free to sign Darius Miles to a Uniform Player Contract if they wish to secure his services as a player, and any such contract would be approved by the NBA,"

I think that commenting about this was stupid on Portland's part... now Miles is on each teams' radar.

Totally agree Supreme. I think this is the perfect opportunity for Donnie if we want a trade with Portland...
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1/9/2009  3:54 PM
LoL @ Portland for trying something so underhanded. Should have let that sleeping dog lie.
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1/9/2009  3:57 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
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What the Blazers are doing here is blocking Darius Miles from "economic opportunities" as they p[ut it so nicely, he should be the one to sue them like now. He's crazy if he doesn't do that. Blazers don't know what they got themselves into, could be bad for them. I wouldn't hire their legal advisor

He was medically retired. Insurance is paying roughly 15M of the 18M owed to him, the Blazers owe him 3M. Miles isn't on their cap.

If he gets signed and plays 2 games even 1 minute in each the Blazers have to cough up 18M and lose cap space for two more years.

Miles CLEARLY is not healthy is CLEARLY unable to play because of the injury that forced him to retire and any team looking to just screw the Blazers and play the equal employment card needs to get a foot rammed right up it's ass for trying such a thing.

If Miles did end up signed the league needs to intervene. I would say they could just take the blazers off the hook but the insurance company will demand it's money back so the blazers would still have to pay the 18M to Miles. The league could waive him off their cap like they did for us with LJ's final year of his 10 year deal, but the league can't force insurance to keep paying a contract that is once again active.

So, well, Miles just needs to go home and teams need to not consider picking him up. Again he can't play he's not healthy. It'd be a move done with the intent to screw the blazers cap for 2 years and force them to pony back up 15M in pay that insurance is covering.

Cosmic, how do you know Miles isn't healthy enough to play? The last cut, they said it had nothing to do with his play. He actually had two blocks in a few minutes of work, Eddy can't do that in a few games

So what do you mean when you say "clearly"?

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1/9/2009  4:25 PM
Portland is creating a ruse here, but it is a good bit of puffery that will scare a lot of teams off.

Take the Knicks for instance... assume the Knicks need a stop gap SF/PF and consider signing either Miles or some other free agent. We could offer a 10 day contract to Miles or any other Free Agent. But, assuming that we need a player (not just a body on the bench) are the Knicks more or less likely to sign Miles or some other player knowing that Portland will file a lawsuit to stop you from playing Miles. I.e. is it worth the effort to put Miles in a uniform knowing there will be some legal cost to it? Even if Portland can't win a lawsuit, fighting a lawsuit will cost the Knicks both time and money. During a lawsuit, they may not be able to play Miles for days maybe weeks. But the worst case scenario, for the Knicks even if it is a low-percentage of happening, would be that the Knicks lose the case and some jury awards Portland (1) $15M of Miles salary, (2) whatever Portland's increased luxury cap payment is, and (3)some calculation of Portland's economic harm (i.e. lost ticket sales, marketing $$$, etc...). Compare this with the best case scenario for the Knicks, which is that you have Miles for 10 days and Portland doesn't have the ability to make an offer to David Lee over the MLE.

There is not enough upside to signing Miles for the Knicks considering I'd rather trade Lee for prospects + draft picks anyway.

I think Portland loses any lawsuit assuming that the Knicks actually want Miles to play and not the sole purpose of screwing Portland. But Portland doesn't lose anything by scaring some smaller, less financially secure teams.



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1/9/2009  4:57 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

Portland is creating a ruse here, but it is a good bit of puffery that will scare a lot of teams off.

Take the Knicks for instance... assume the Knicks need a stop gap SF/PF and consider signing either Miles or some other free agent. We could offer a 10 day contract to Miles or any other Free Agent. But, assuming that we need a player (not just a body on the bench) are the Knicks more or less likely to sign Miles or some other player knowing that Portland will file a lawsuit to stop you from playing Miles. I.e. is it worth the effort to put Miles in a uniform knowing there will be some legal cost to it? Even if Portland can't win a lawsuit, fighting a lawsuit will cost the Knicks both time and money. During a lawsuit, they may not be able to play Miles for days maybe weeks. But the worst case scenario, for the Knicks even if it is a low-percentage of happening, would be that the Knicks lose the case and some jury awards Portland (1) $15M of Miles salary, (2) whatever Portland's increased luxury cap payment is, and (3)some calculation of Portland's economic harm (i.e. lost ticket sales, marketing $$$, etc...). Compare this with the best case scenario for the Knicks, which is that you have Miles for 10 days and Portland doesn't have the ability to make an offer to David Lee over the MLE.

There is not enough upside to signing Miles for the Knicks considering I'd rather trade Lee for prospects + draft picks anyway.

I think Portland loses any lawsuit assuming that the Knicks actually want Miles to play and not the sole purpose of screwing Portland. But Portland doesn't lose anything by scaring some smaller, less financially secure teams.

But what if he can actually play? Do you really think that Portland will even try to file a lawsuit? Do you know how ridiculous that would look in a court of law? Now if he looks atrocious, which means WORSE than James or Curry considering they are not medically retiring, then they have a point. He did block a few shots a few nights ago, Lee doesn't even do that, so I'm not sure how "bad" he really is.

Therefor; I think a lawsuit is only possible if he looks ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. Has anyone seen him play, like when he had those two blocks?

During a lawsuit they would play Miles even more, not less, to show how much Bull-S-H-I-T it really is, unless he is really that off with his game. I'm sure he could play very hard for 10 minutes a game though. So, comparing it with the best case scenario is easy, just give him an audition and see how he looks.

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1/9/2009  4:57 PM
An Isiah move by Portland.
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1/9/2009  6:44 PM
UPDATE - NBA to support Miles: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56498/20090109/nba_union_discussing_miles_affair/
The Blazers sent a memo to the NBA's other 29 teams threatening legal action against anyone who signs Darius Miles for the purpose of increasing Portland's cap number, and the league is getting involved.

The issue has reportedly been added to Friday afternoon's agenda at a previously scheduled meeting between NBA and players' union attorneys.

The NBA issued a statement that seemed to indicate that it would support any club wishing to sign Miles.

If Miles plays two more games, then his Blazers contract, worth $18 million total for this season and next, would count against the team's salary cap and force the team to pay luxury tax next summer.

Portland brought this on themselves...

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1/9/2009  7:14 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

UPDATE - NBA to support Miles: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56498/20090109/nba_union_discussing_miles_affair/
The Blazers sent a memo to the NBA's other 29 teams threatening legal action against anyone who signs Darius Miles for the purpose of increasing Portland's cap number, and the league is getting involved.

The issue has reportedly been added to Friday afternoon's agenda at a previously scheduled meeting between NBA and players' union attorneys.

The NBA issued a statement that seemed to indicate that it would support any club wishing to sign Miles.

If Miles plays two more games, then his Blazers contract, worth $18 million total for this season and next, would count against the team's salary cap and force the team to pay luxury tax next summer.

Portland brought this on themselves...

EMS

Oh lord lol.

I'm with Portland though: If someone signs him, plays him 2 games 1 minute each, then cuts him, then laughs at Portland getting screwed by that... they have a point about the whole process.

I mean, if the guy was healthy, it's an entirely different story, but he's clearly not.

Meanwhile PTI is just PRAYING for someone to do it. Saying the Lakers or Nuggets or Jazz, etc should do it and make sure they do it and have Miles play in a game against the team for 1 minute. Then cut him after 2 games.

I'm sorry, but that's just unprofessional behavior.

Again, if Miles could play, then I'm all for some team signing him and the league should do something for Portland regarding Miles going back on the cap because that's just bizarre.

Yet, he can't play, so any signing is with malicious intent, and I think that's just wrong.

What if we got out from under Mobley and some team picked him up and played him 10 games just to screw us over? Yeah, not one person in this thread would be on board with that idea.

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1/9/2009  7:15 PM
Miles isn't injured, he just sucks. He can still play, just not in the NBA. I think some team gives him a 10 day contract.
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1/9/2009  7:50 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

UPDATE - NBA to support Miles: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/56498/20090109/nba_union_discussing_miles_affair/
The Blazers sent a memo to the NBA's other 29 teams threatening legal action against anyone who signs Darius Miles for the purpose of increasing Portland's cap number, and the league is getting involved.

The issue has reportedly been added to Friday afternoon's agenda at a previously scheduled meeting between NBA and players' union attorneys.

The NBA issued a statement that seemed to indicate that it would support any club wishing to sign Miles.

If Miles plays two more games, then his Blazers contract, worth $18 million total for this season and next, would count against the team's salary cap and force the team to pay luxury tax next summer.

Portland brought this on themselves...

EMS

Oh lord lol.

I'm with Portland though: If someone signs him, plays him 2 games 1 minute each, then cuts him, then laughs at Portland getting screwed by that... they have a point about the whole process.

I mean, if the guy was healthy, it's an entirely different story, but he's clearly not.

Meanwhile PTI is just PRAYING for someone to do it. Saying the Lakers or Nuggets or Jazz, etc should do it and make sure they do it and have Miles play in a game against the team for 1 minute. Then cut him after 2 games.

I'm sorry, but that's just unprofessional behavior.

Again, if Miles could play, then I'm all for some team signing him and the league should do something for Portland regarding Miles going back on the cap because that's just bizarre.

Yet, he can't play, so any signing is with malicious intent, and I think that's just wrong.

What if we got out from under Mobley and some team picked him up and played him 10 games just to screw us over? Yeah, not one person in this thread would be on board with that idea.

I was really going to bed but that last black tea is keeping me up...

I'm with Portland too, IF he only plays 1 or 2 minutes, but that isn't really gonna happen (not now anyway).

I asked you before (if you missed it): How do you know he can't play? Really, I haven't seen him but I haven't seen it posted that he can't (Has anyone out there seen him?). Didn't the team that just cut him say it was due to salary cap issues and NOT his play? Why would they say that? Didn't he have two blocks?

I'm not into doing malicious things as a general practice of being a human being but what if someone really wants to sign him in a non malicious way? Boston did and so did another team. Obviously they practiced him first and must have saw something. I don't think Boston did it to hurt Portland.

It's not fair at all to bring Mobley into it. First, It was Mobleys decision in the end (even if we wanted that too). Second he could die on the court in front of tens of thousands of fans and millions at home. That is a fact of his condition. He might play the rest of the year and make it, but it's a fact by experts in the field that he is risking his life. Miles is risking his knee and if it doesn't perform he doesn't work (Not quite like a heart).

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1/9/2009  7:55 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:



I was really going to bed but that last black tea is keeping me up...

I'm with Portland too, IF he only plays 1 or 2 minutes, but that isn't really gonna happen (not now anyway).

I asked you before (if you missed it): How do you know he can't play? Really, I haven't seen him but I haven't seen it posted that he can't (Has anyone out there seen him?). Didn't the team that just cut him say it was due to salary cap issues and NOT his play? Why would they say that? Didn't he have two blocks?

I'm not into doing malicious things as a general practice of being a human being but what if someone really wants to sign him in a non malicious way? Boston did and so did another team. Obviously they practiced him first and must have saw something. I don't think Boston did it to hurt Portland.

It's not fair at all to bring Mobley into it. First, It was Mobleys decision in the end (even if we wanted that too). Second he could die on the court in front of tens of thousands of fans and millions at home. That is a fact of his condition. He might play the rest of the year and make it, but it's a fact by experts in the field that he is risking his life. Miles is risking his knee and if it doesn't perform he doesn't work (Not quite like a heart).

EMS

I'm pretty sure he can't play otherwise he wouldn't have been cut by the Celtics and then the Grizzlies so quickly. Was there also a third team? Or was that just speculation that he was about to be signed by someone.... Nope just the two Miles Recent History

I bring up Mobley, because even though the causes are different, the fact is they could both end up being retired due to health. Their contracts both get picked up largely by insurance and their teams get them off their caps and lux tax.

So, what if it wasn't the heart for Mobley? A year later a team picks him up and plays him 10 games forcing Dolan to pay insurance back and putting him back on our cap? Then that team cuts him after those 10 games? That's the same thing. I chose Mobley because he's ours to give perspective into "what if this was to happen to us". I think that ALWAYS changes people's minds when you do that.

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1/9/2009  11:03 PM
fish will make a new thread about this 4 days from now but here it is anyway:
The NBPA and NBA are apparently in agreement that the Blazers' position, outlined in an e-mail warning teams not to sign Darius Miles, is without merit.

"We are shocked at the brazen attempt by the Portland Trail Blazers to try to prevent Darius Miles from continuing his NBA career," the NBPA's executive director, Billy Hunter, said in a statement released Friday evening. "Their attempt to intimidate the other 29 NBA teams by threatening frivolous litigation merely for signing this capable NBA veteran is a clear violation of the anti-collusion and other provisions of our collective bargaining agreement. We will vigorously defend Darius' rights."

On Friday morning, the NBA league office notified teams that Miles cleared waivers and is eligible to be signed to a contract. "Any such contract," the league memo stated, "would be approved by the NBA."

The statement indicates that as far as the league is concerned, teams are not constrained from signing Miles.

Any such constraint could be considered collusive activity that harms the player's right to freely enter into a contract under the rules of the collective bargaining agreement.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-09-2009 11:04 PM]
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1/9/2009  11:41 PM
The Grizzlies signed Darius Miles to a 10-day contract on Friday night, essentially guaranteeing that the Blazers are going to get hit with a luxury tax penalty and salary cap problems.
If Miles plays in two games for the Grizzlies, the Blazers are on the hook for $9 million this year and next. The Blazers have come under heavy fire for an email they sent out threatening anyone who would dare sign Miles. Obviously Memphis isn't scared and the league is not happy with the Blazers. As for D-Miles having fantasy value this season? No way.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=680&line=107562&spln=1

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1/10/2009  12:05 AM
I haven't followed Miles since he came back but prior to his injury he would have fit the D' system. If he is able to play this seems not legal by Portland. The Players' Association needs to get involved in this. Portland took a chance and the salary system in the NBA is wrong but Miles should be able to make a comeback if he can.
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1/10/2009  12:15 AM
I haven't followed Miles since he came back but prior to his injury he would have fit the D' system.

he was never any good to begin with IMO... Wilson Chandler's a better player than he ever was already... i would qualify him as 1 of the bigger busts in recent memory.
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