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K22
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1/9/2009  10:35 AM
Posted by K22:

wow, man, if he only gave a ****. He just doesn't care.

I just felt the need to reiterate this.

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1/9/2009  10:36 AM
I think some tried to tell fans this guy was anxious to go the Oliver Miller route. Once he licks his fingers after breakfast this morning.... mission accomplished.
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1/9/2009  10:38 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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He's never going to love playing basketball but he hasn't played in what 8 months and he's woefully out of shape as a result. Either you'll see an improvement over the next four weeks or that will be the end of Eddy Curry ever being of any value.

Give it a little more than his FIRST appearance in nearly a year though. Just don't expect that 19/7 player from two years past. Gotta give it four weeks and let him play himself into better shape.

Playing yourself into shape is about getting your wind and timing back. A player should never be overweight by more than 5-10 pounds, unless you just could not move. They have swimming pool exercises, stationary bikes, and other things to keep your weight down while injured (as well as the fact that you can just not eat as much). Certainly Curry needs a few weeks to get his wind and timing, but he should not be 20-30 pounds overweight.

To get from the condition he is in to where he needs to be isnt going to happen in 1 month--how about 9 months to a year. He is still young enough with weight training perfect diet and an exercise program that ramps up his body will respond favorably. I don't think he is an NBA player right now or at the minimum was an embarrassment to the league to be out there last night.
Also if he does have knee problems--they will come back to haunt him at this weight. He needs to lose roughly 75 pounds as an estimate.

I have no doubt that if Eddy Curry could get his weight down to 265, he would be a near-allstar caliber center. At that weight, even he could not avoid getting a 7-8 rebounds, and his post game should not suffer too much. More importantly, he could actually get up and down the court and move on defense. Why the Knicks don't go Pat Riley on him and say either you get down to 270 or we are going to fine and suspend you, is amazing.
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1/9/2009  10:41 AM
Posted by TheGame:

What pisses you off the most about it is if the dude got his a** down to 250 pounds and worked on his passing out of the double team, he probably would be a freakin allstar. Outside of Shaq and maybe 1 or 2 others, I don't think any other current players can match his skill-set on the low block.

[Edited by - thegame on 09-01-2009 10:03]

I always thought 265lbs would have been an ideal weight for Curry to target. He puts on weight when he isn't playing and even when he plays. He's a lost cause. Maybe he'll try out for the Olympics in 2012.... gymnast tumbling floor exercise or shot put.
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1/9/2009  10:44 AM
Curry was minus 9 last night in three minutes. How can you put him on the floor and not Jerome
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1/9/2009  10:45 AM
Posted by TheGame:

I have no doubt that if Eddy Curry could get his weight down to 265, he would be a near-allstar caliber center. At that weight, even he could not avoid getting a 7-8 rebounds, and his post game should not suffer too much. More importantly, he could actually get up and down the court and move on defense. Why the Knicks don't go Pat Riley on him and say either you get down to 270 or we are going to fine and suspend you, is amazing.

He's unable to. His body just doesn't allow him to lose that weight and remain healthy. The last time he was 265 was when he took all that medication that nearly killed him. He took it because Paxson said lose weight or no contract. So he took it.

The best Curry can do on a strict regiment is probably around 290-300. He's looking to be about 330-340 right now. He's never been under 290 as a Knick no matter what his listed weight is. It's false.

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1/9/2009  10:46 AM
Posted by King1:

Curry was minus 9 last night in three minutes. How can you put him on the floor and not Jerome

He's got to play some time doesn't he? Who cares about + or - at this point this team blows. We need to get him healthy and try to trade him. If that means sacrificing a few +/- stats then fine.

As to Jerome I say it all the time. He's a clown but you put him in for 5 minutes he changes the entire tempo of the game and disrupts the heck out of the opponent. He should be playing. No excuses here.
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1/9/2009  10:50 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
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I have no doubt that if Eddy Curry could get his weight down to 265, he would be a near-allstar caliber center. At that weight, even he could not avoid getting a 7-8 rebounds, and his post game should not suffer too much. More importantly, he could actually get up and down the court and move on defense. Why the Knicks don't go Pat Riley on him and say either you get down to 270 or we are going to fine and suspend you, is amazing.

He's unable to. His body just doesn't allow him to lose that weight and remain healthy. The last time he was 265 was when he took all that medication that nearly killed him. He took it because Paxson said lose weight or no contract. So he took it.

The best Curry can do on a strict regiment is probably around 290-300. He's looking to be about 330-340 right now. He's never been under 290 as a Knick no matter what his listed weight is. It's false.

I will agree that maybe Curry can never get down to 260 because he is just too big, but I find it hard to believe that 275-280 is an unattainable weight for him. It is all about Curry's lack of committment to losing weight. It may be harder for him than some other people, but if he wanted to get down to 275 bad enough, he could do it without endangering his health.
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1/9/2009  10:56 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TheGame:

I have no doubt that if Eddy Curry could get his weight down to 265, he would be a near-allstar caliber center. At that weight, even he could not avoid getting a 7-8 rebounds, and his post game should not suffer too much. More importantly, he could actually get up and down the court and move on defense. Why the Knicks don't go Pat Riley on him and say either you get down to 270 or we are going to fine and suspend you, is amazing.

He's unable to. His body just doesn't allow him to lose that weight and remain healthy. The last time he was 265 was when he took all that medication that nearly killed him. He took it because Paxson said lose weight or no contract. So he took it.

The best Curry can do on a strict regiment is probably around 290-300. He's looking to be about 330-340 right now. He's never been under 290 as a Knick no matter what his listed weight is. It's false.

I think Shaq has done a great job of keeping himself in pretty darn good shape when he couldve really blown up[and he was kind of fat for him last year] Curry should call Shaq and follow what the shaq man did to his body over 6 months this offseason.
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1/9/2009  10:59 AM
Carrying that extra weight, while trying to run up and down the court and living with a damaged heart is a recipe for a tragic ending.

Eddy should simply retire.
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1/9/2009  11:03 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:


I think Shaq has done a great job of keeping himself in pretty darn good shape when he couldve really blown up[and he was kind of fat for him last year] Curry should call Shaq and follow what the shaq man did to his body over 6 months this offseason.

Shaq got up to 382 as a Laker (official playoff weigh in one season). So, uh, LOL. Yet Shaq did get himself into much better shape for the Miami Heat for one year.

They're different people though. Eddy clearly can't do it if not just do to the physical makeup of his system but in addition his lack of work ethic. In the end you just have to accept he's a load and be happy if you ever see 300 pounds out of him again.

Meanwhile, as you said, it looked like a guy who had given up last night. Yet, you still give it about four weeks before REALLY making a determination. The team meanwhile has no choice. We must try to play him into shape. If either to trade him or make him useful enough for us where we're not dying from the salary - we have no choice here. Gotta do it. Can't just sit him and give up. Not with that 2011 contract.
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1/9/2009  11:04 AM
he shouldn't have been on the court. it's more beneficial to get in shape by staying home and exercising than travelling with the team and playing 2 mins. probably being showcased and is very hypocritical considering he was benched at the start of the season solely b/c of his weight.
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1/9/2009  11:17 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

he shouldn't have been on the court. it's more beneficial to get in shape by staying home and exercising than travelling with the team and playing 2 mins. probably being showcased and is very hypocritical considering he was benched at the start of the season solely b/c of his weight.

not sure that's true. I was trying to backtrack a timeline for Curry and think the first bone bruise may have come just before season started.
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1/9/2009  11:36 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by BRIGGS:


I think Shaq has done a great job of keeping himself in pretty darn good shape when he couldve really blown up[and he was kind of fat for him last year] Curry should call Shaq and follow what the shaq man did to his body over 6 months this offseason.

Shaq got up to 382 as a Laker (official playoff weigh in one season). So, uh, LOL. Yet Shaq did get himself into much better shape for the Miami Heat for one year.

They're different people though. Eddy clearly can't do it if not just do to the physical makeup of his system but in addition his lack of work ethic. In the end you just have to accept he's a load and be happy if you ever see 300 pounds out of him again.

Meanwhile, as you said, it looked like a guy who had given up last night. Yet, you still give it about four weeks before REALLY making a determination. The team meanwhile has no choice. We must try to play him into shape. If either to trade him or make him useful enough for us where we're not dying from the salary - we have no choice here. Gotta do it. Can't just sit him and give up. Not with that 2011 contract.

Eddy looked like he was stuffed into an old dried out Water Buffalo carcass. What kind of sorry ass shape is that dude in? What an f-ing disgrace for a professional.

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1/9/2009  11:37 AM
scary that he couldn't even dunk the ball on that one position. You don't need to be that in shape to get up
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1/9/2009  11:38 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

he shouldn't have been on the court. it's more beneficial to get in shape by staying home and exercising than travelling with the team and playing 2 mins. probably being showcased and is very hypocritical considering he was benched at the start of the season solely b/c of his weight.


I totally agree - the only thing we are going to get out of running Eddy out on the floor in this type of shape is a longer term injury.

The guy is a dissaster waiting to happen.

It's unbelievable that nobody can get the guy in shape. Has anyone ever heard of bikes, elyptical trainers, treadmills, diets. Holy Crap - the guy looked awful.
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1/9/2009  11:58 AM
Posted by martin:


not sure that's true. I was trying to backtrack a timeline for Curry and think the first bone bruise may have come just before season started.

Here's his team action history injury related movement over the past year: link

It's the same knee he hurt last March unfortunately.
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1/9/2009  11:59 AM
He is who he thought he was


Walsh and D'Antoni should give him 30 days to get in "trade shape" or release/buy-out/ medical-exempt his way to another place.


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1/9/2009  12:18 PM
D'Antoni gave a challenge to Eddy get into the shape that will not tire you out when running up and down the court. It doesn't matter what you weigh as long as you don't get tired running up and down the floor.
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1/9/2009  12:43 PM
Posted by Vmart:

D'Antoni gave a challenge to Eddy get into the shape that will not tire you out when running up and down the court. It doesn't matter what you weigh as long as you don't get tired running up and down the floor.

He made it the length of the court five times before I was actually concerned for his health. Dude looked pale, looked like his lungs were on fire, looked like he couldn't hold his own weight up.

It's sad really. It's so bad there's a chance he can't play his way out of it this time. We also know how Mike feels about turds like this. He might just say the hell with this and bench him instead of trying 2 minutes then 3 minutes then two 3 minute stints, etc - which is how we would have to proceed with Eddy in games.

Meanwhile beat his ass in practices. Thing is when you're THAT out of shape you can't just decide to start going full bore. After about 5 minutes you're done and there's no value in that.
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Curry honestly looks like he is 40 years old

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