Posted by Caseloads:

Posted by Rookie:

"But Walsh still have all option open"

Not exactly. The option of trading Lee to move up in the 08' draft is no longer an option. Re-signing Lee and Nate before they become RFA's isn't an option anymore either. Deciding to Hold onto Balkman until the trading deadline, and then give him away for nothing if something better isn't there isn't an option anymore. Getting the most out of your highest paid player isn't an option anymore. Applying for a medical exemption on James isn't an option anymore. Deciding not to take a flyer on Roberson isn't an option anymore. Rushing Gallinari back before he is 100% healthy isn't an option anymore. Singing PEJ as your 15th man isn't an option anymore

ok - lets look at this:

1) swapping lee for mayo - bungled deal. knicks supposedly tried this, but lee said he wouldnt go to memphis
2) balkman - dumb trade, but who knows why this was really done?
3) getting the most from marbury - this was walsh's plan, but mike d thought - kill marbury before marbury can kill me. capeesh?
4) i think they tried to get james to medically retire. he refused. he is now refuse. get it?
5) you think roberson vs. pej really makes a difference? i thought not.
6) rushing gallo back was dumb. as a doctor, i can tell you disk injuries NEVER heal, and only get worse, and the best thing is rest. i've had similar problems, and rest just makes it feel better. gallo is now damaged, like danity kane.

Agree, but I'll argue anyway

1) swapping lee for mayo - bungled deal. knicks supposedly tried this, but lee said he wouldnt go to memphis
This should have been a priority. Mayo would of had a future on our team past 2010. Lee and company won't. We needed to offer more than just Lee if that's what it would have taken. Not saying it's a certainty but need some young franchise players to build on and he was just what the doctor ordered.

2) balkman - dumb trade, but who knows why this was really done?
Considering how short handed we've been playing, it's even dumberer still or double dumb if you will.

3) getting the most from marbury - this was walsh's plan, but mike d thought - kill marbury before marbury can kill me. capeesh?
I can dig that, but personally I would have handled it differently. It would likely have killed me

4) i think they tried to get james to medically retire. he refused. he is now refuse. get it?
Didn't we play him days before we would have been able to apply to the league for his medical retirement?

5) you think roberson vs. pej really makes a difference? i thought not.
No, but atleast PEJ doesn't make me puke and brings a little bit more to the table than chucking up bricks. Why not give the fans one w/PEJ?

6) rushing gallo back was dumb. as a doctor, i can tell you disk injuries NEVER heal, and only get worse, and the best thing is rest. i've had similar problems, and rest just makes it feel better. gallo is now damaged, like danity kane.
I seriously hope it's not as bad as that

anyway, it's like the only real difference maker could have been Mayo. Walsh is doing a good job and I expect he'll be doing more before the trade deadline. Whatever my nits are about all this, it's all after the fact. If you believe in pre-determined outcome, I guess you could also say that if Clinton would have resigned after Lewinski, Bush would have never been elected.

[Edited by - Rookie on 01-07-2009 5:22 PM]

If teams dont want a guy, how do we trade him? That means we have to trade someone they want WITH someone they don't want. Therefor Curry/Lee and even Jeffries possibly thrown in for expirings in 2010.

GKF, my recollection is that it took a multi player deal to get it done.

Posted by Caseloads:

Posted by Rookie:

"But Walsh still have all option open"

Not exactly. The option of trading Lee to move up in the 08' draft is no longer an option. Re-signing Lee and Nate before they become RFA's isn't an option anymore either. Deciding to Hold onto Balkman until the trading deadline, and then give him away for nothing if something better isn't there isn't an option anymore. Getting the most out of your highest paid player isn't an option anymore. Applying for a medical exemption on James isn't an option anymore. Deciding not to take a flyer on Roberson isn't an option anymore. Rushing Gallinari back before he is 100% healthy isn't an option anymore. Singing PEJ as your 15th man isn't an option anymore

ok - lets look at this:

1) swapping lee for mayo - bungled deal. knicks supposedly tried this, but lee said he wouldnt go to memphis
2) balkman - dumb trade, but who knows why this was really done?
3) getting the most from marbury - this was walsh's plan, but mike d thought - kill marbury before marbury can kill me. capeesh?
4) i think they tried to get james to medically retire. he refused. he is now refuse. get it?
5) you think roberson vs. pej really makes a difference? i thought not.
6) rushing gallo back was dumb. as a doctor, i can tell you disk injuries NEVER heal, and only get worse, and the best thing is rest. i've had similar problems, and rest just makes it feel better. gallo is now damaged, like danity kane.

Just want to address #6. If you are a doctor and you read medical literature how can you say disk injuries never heal. It is all over the literature (without surgery). Gallo has a bulging disk not a rupture. I had a 10mm ruptured disk and 1.5 years later the doctor couldn't believe my MRI, because it had healed to the point that they couldn't do surgery. I can do whatever I want physically speaking. Now, a bulging disk is waaaaay less than a rupture. Further, my doctor said it's rare as you get older but for young people healing disks is not that uncommon. It really depends on treatment and Mindset. When you think of a bulging disk you also have to consider muscle tension (stress) being one of the main contributors. It was in my case and when I took care of the tension (the mind) the muscles relaxed and my body healed. True story.

EMS

Rookie, let me defend Walsh here on that Lee to Memphis deal. By all accounts Walsh tried but Lee and his agent nixed the deal. Lee was the corner piece in that deal and scoff at talking about an extension with the Grizzlies which would scare off any GM. That failing is on Lee not Walsh but it was well into Lee's right to do so. I don't get it myself to this date, he would be getting paid but Memphis but be a horrible place to say because Mayo didn't want to go there himself.

Posted by Rookie:

Pharz, I think we sort of went through this before, but here it is again. Don't you think we could have beaten this deal?

Mayo was selected 3rd overall in the 2008 NBA Draft by the Minnesota Timberwolves. Later that day, he was traded to the Memphis Grizzlies, along with Marko Jaric, Antoine Walker, and Greg Buckner, swapping them for the 5th overall pick Kevin Love, Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal, and Jason Collins

I don't think really know what McHale was going to do. I think he was called the wild card which he turned out to be. Everyone knew he was in love with Love (ha) but knew Love wasn't a top three pick. I think Walsh was willing to gamble that he would land Mayo or Westbrook with the 5th pick when he became obvious how much McHale really wanted Love, I do believe Walsh was going to take him to force a trade with Minny. Lee and his agent scared off Wallace so that ship sailed.

Walsh's job is to set this team up to be good in the future... his plan for 2010 is the main goal, & no one on this team is worth sacrificing that over, i don't care who you're talking about... D Lee is our most desired player & because of that reason holds the most trade value... if Walsh can maximize that trade value to set us up to be better in the future, he should do so, end of story... we can't hold onto players out of sentimentality here... everyone has their favorites & D Lee is mine too, but if Walsh can use him in a trade to improve our situation for 2010 then so be it.

i'm sure Donnie's looking to do just that... he's also probably looking into getting back a good pick for him if he can... there's many options he can explore in a D Lee trade... let's say he ends up w/a stopgap starter along w/a mid 1st round pick for Lee, & he uses that pick to take Patterson out of Kentucky... would that be such a bad trade off? it wouldn't be in my view... regardless of who Donnie uses the pick on, i think getting back value for Lee is of utmost importance in any trade, unless of course he can figure out some way to dump Curry or Fishlips & keep him around... i think the latter is a less likely possibility.

Posted by King1:

i think lee will be a knick

I think this is what will happen. teams that have cap space and like Lee know the Knicks want space in 2010. It's going to be easy to front load a contract as a deterrent for the Knicks in 2010. That being said--how do the KNicks let Lee go for )--they cant and teams right now wont give the Knicks fair value. I think when Lee is able to get a contract from FA the Knicks must offer him first without getting to a signing sheet.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Rookie:

Pharz, I think we sort of went through this before, but here it is again. Don't you think we could have beaten this deal?

Mayo was selected 3rd overall in the 2008 NBA Draft by the Minnesota Timberwolves. Later that day, he was traded to the Memphis Grizzlies, along with Marko Jaric, Antoine Walker, and Greg Buckner, swapping them for the 5th overall pick Kevin Love, Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal, and Jason Collins

I don't think really know what McHale was going to do. I think he was called the wild card which he turned out to be. Everyone knew he was in love with Love (ha) but knew Love wasn't a top three pick. I think Walsh was willing to gamble that he would land Mayo or Westbrook with the 5th pick when he became obvious how much McHale really wanted Love, I do believe Walsh was going to take him to force a trade with Minny. Lee and his agent scared off Wallace so that ship sailed.

Yeah but the only reason Memphis took Love 5th is because they knew they had a deal for Mayo. No deal and Love gets picked 6th by us and we deal him for Mayo. Maybe Lee screwed it up, but we had to have other pieces McHale would have wanted. McHale could of stll had Love and something else, not Lee. Certainly we could have made a better offer than Marko Jaric, Antoine Walker, and Greg Buckner

Or put it this way: Walsh is taking a calculated gamble that assets he'd get back in a trade for D Lee PLUS the player(s) he could use the extra cap space on in 2010 will yield something better than re-signing Lee. I think he's right but it would hardly be a disaster to keep D Lee instead. It's a good position to be in.