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2/19/2009  3:30 PM
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Meanwhile, Chris Wilcox and David Lee on the frontline can do work. There was a glare that Mike D'Antoni gave Tim Thomas during a timeout that indicated he had seen enough.

This rugged 6'9 tandem also affords more time for Danilo Gallinari to develop at a deliberate pace, less as a strong forward but more like a point forward.

The Knicks interior just gained some needed muscle.

I'm cool with that



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2/19/2009  3:33 PM
Posted by misterearl:

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Meanwhile, Chris Wilcox and David Lee on the frontline can do work. There was a glare that Mike D'Antoni gave Tim Thomas during a timeout that indicated he had seen enough.

This rugged 6'9 tandem also affords more time for Danilo Gallinari to develop at a deliberate pace, less as a strong forward but more like a point forward.

The Knicks interior just gained some needed muscle.

I'm cool with that

Definitely. Lee was on island with rebounding, Wilcox will help out nicely. I've always thought Wilcox was a good player since I watched him at Maryland and he definitely hasn't lived up to his potential. If he can't do it under D'Antoni then he never will. I think he will.
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2/19/2009  3:35 PM
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Panos - I don't like Chris Wilcox. He's a stiff, and an uncoordinated goon.

Cosmic - Not Chris Wilcox!!! Yuck!

Yeah right. Once you guys calm down we can get back to talking basketball.

Besides, Wilcox is a dead ringer for Rick James.


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2/19/2009  3:37 PM
nyk4eva- Mike D'Antoni will run Wilcox in so many creative sets that his head will spin.

The dude can catch and roll to the rack. If you get in his way, he just might ram in over you.

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2/19/2009  3:48 PM
Posted by misterearl:

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Meanwhile, Chris Wilcox and David Lee on the frontline can do work. There was a glare that Mike D'Antoni gave Tim Thomas during a timeout that indicated he had seen enough.

This rugged 6'9 tandem also affords more time for Danilo Gallinari to develop at a deliberate pace, less as a strong forward but more like a point forward.

The Knicks interior just gained some needed muscle.

I'm cool with that

I agree Earl. TT wears on a lot of coaches and you could feel it with D'Antoni. I don't know much about Wilcox, but I've heard similar things about him. Hopefully D'Antoni can get through to him.

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2/19/2009  3:49 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Definitely. Lee was on island with rebounding, Wilcox will help out nicely. I've always thought Wilcox was a good player since I watched him at Maryland and he definitely hasn't lived up to his potential. If he can't do it under D'Antoni then he never will. I think he will.
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2/19/2009  3:56 PM
Bippity - Wilcox's issues have more to do with staying healthy, managing expectations and keeping his off court time productive.

The best part is that David Lee and Chris Wilcox will contend for every loose ball and rebound.

The moment Wilcox posts and toasts (into a ferocious dunk) in The Garden the place will go nuts.

He's only 26 years old.
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2/19/2009  4:01 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Bippity - Wilcox's issues have more to do with staying healthy, managing expectations and keeping his off court time productive.

The best part is that David Lee and Chris Wilcox will contend for every loose ball and rebound.

The moment Wilcox posts and toasts (into a ferocious dunk) in The Garden the place will go nuts.

He's only 26 years old.

Like I said, I don't know much about Wilcox so I pass no judgements on him. I'm just saying that I've hear some things through my very reliable grape vine. Plus it's been what 7 seasons and he hasn't reached his potential, so it does make me wonder. That being said, I am very excited to have him on our team, even if it's for the short run. He has a nice opportunity here to really get his careeer started and I think D'Antoni is pretty good at getting through to his players. Add on top of that, Wilcox still has the massive potential he had when he left college. So we have a lot going in our favor at this point.

Just hope D'Antoni can get through to him.
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2/19/2009  4:12 PM
Bippity - Forget the (cough) "reliable" grape vine. i had the benefit of watching Wilcox in person about a month ago. You gotta watch players away from the ball. That is something you don't get on tee vee.

Forget the "massive potential" while you're at it as well. Maryland is so 6 years ago. (Big ups to former agent Rock Newman)

What I watched was an active and athletic young man matching up against a very talented Hawks frontcourt - and holding his own. Wilcox exhibited excellent footwork from the post, got into his man on defense and ran the floor with ease. he works hard on both ends. That is a good thing.

Does he have flaws? No doubt. He has no jump shot to speak of and can get into foul trouble if the refs don't allow physical play. He likes to dig a forearm into a post players lower back. He is still raw and will make you crazy when he turns it over in traffic. But he is no slouch and is DEFINITELY NOT a stiff, slug, slacker, goon nor is he uncoordinated.

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Posted by misterearl:

Bippity - Forget the (cough) "reliable" grape vine. i had the benefit of watching Wilcox in person about a month ago. You gotta watch players away from the ball. That is something you don't get on tee vee.

Forget the "massive potential" while you're at it as well. Maryland is so 6 years ago. (Big ups to former agent Rock Newman)

What I watched was an active and athletic young man matching up against a very talented Hawks frontcourt - and holding his own. Wilcox exhibited excellent footwork from the post, got into his man on defense and ran the floor with ease. he works hard on both ends. That is a good thing.

Does he have flaws? No doubt. He has no jump shot to speak of and can get into foul trouble if the refs don't allow physical play. He likes to dig a forearm into a post players lower back. He is still raw and will make you crazy when he turns it over in traffic. But he is no slouch and is DEFINITELY NOT a stiff, slug, slacker, goon nor is he uncoordinated.

Who you gunna believe, me or yo' lyin' eyes?

Don't sell me on his talent. I've seen him live 5 or 6 times and sat courtside in 2002 in the tournament game against Uconn. I am well aware of his talent, physical play and did not mention him being a stiff, slug, slacker, goon or uncoordinated, so once again I'm confused. Was that post directed at me, or someone else. My concern with Wilcox has nothing to do with any of that stuff. My concern is the daily focus needed to reach your potential. Does he have that? We shall see. Since I've only seen him play 6 times live and maybe 5 or 6 times on tv, I do not in anyway consider myself a Chris Wilcox expert and will wait and see.

As for believing you or my lying eyes? I think you asked me that same thing when we were discussing the merits of Tim Thomas. My lying eyes were correct and you seem to have come around to believing them. As for Wilcox, let's watch him for a couple weeks. At that point I will give you what I truly think.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 19-02-2009 4:34 PM]
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2/19/2009  6:45 PM
bippity - none of the references that are attributed to other random quotes were directed at you so don't take it personally. You are still the Jedi Master

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This is a time to celebrate with a Barqs Root Beer and some Crunch n Munch.

Thank you Tyson Chandler, for failing your physical

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2/19/2009  8:23 PM
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Cosmic - Wilcox is only 26, and I feel your angst - but this is an Eddy Curry thread in disguise

Rookies can't be trusted. By 2011 Danilo will be a three year veteran.

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2/19/2009  8:32 PM
wilcox should have stayed in school one more year. he never really learned to put forth the effort to play at a high level. thats why he wasnt a starter unitl the middle of his soph season for the terps. you look at him now, and very little has changed.
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2/19/2009  8:41 PM
BasketballJones - precisely

Think of it this way. If Eddy Curry can play just 10 minutes a night - ten measly minutes - the Knicks center position will suddenly have some unique low post variety to take into the Playoffs.

As it stands, when was the last time our David Lee had a muscular and active 6'10 running buddy to divert some attention down low?

This is also a Wilson Chandler thread in disguise.

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2/19/2009  11:00 PM
Center - Wilcox, 6'10 decoy to deflect attention from Lee inside, clean up the glass on both ends

F - Lee, 6'9 weakside rebounds, keep working on the mid range jumper son

F - Chandler 6'8 perimeter range and movement off the ball

G - Hughes - 6'6 defender that will help considerably if his ego is in check, get in shape

G - Duhon - 6'1 orchestrator with a tall running buddy to ease the burden of ball-handling

Sixth Man Du jour Nate/ Harrington instant offense

Gallinari - outside range

Jeffries - defense and little things

Richardson - depth insurance

Curry - ten minutes by March, maybe. If not, he gets the Harthorne Wingo memorial seat

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2/20/2009  8:03 AM
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Walsh said he believes Hughes will work well in D'Antoni's offense, because he's "a guy that can score points and create his own shot."

Wilcox, a 26-year-old averages 8.4 points and 5.3 rebounds

Wilcox and Lee are both walking double-double machines

Jeffries can also start at the three, for defensive purposes, and afford the Knicks a versatile frontcourt

6'10, 6'9, 6'11 is more size (combined with strength) than in recent years

Harrington is on notice to be productive in a team context or he will sit

Gallinari can be brought along at a more convenient pace with less pressure to excel immediately

The Mayor can comfortably swing between the front and backcourt

It may not be perfect but it ain't bad either

Bump that, it's perfect
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2/20/2009  8:31 AM
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sidsanders - "he never really learned to put forth the effort to play at a high level. thats why he wasnt a starter unitl the middle of his soph season for the terps. you look at him now, and very little has changed."

sidsan - I would offer that Wilcox has never has high-quality coaching, stimulating environment, or a complimentary system, to coax the best from his raw game.

The Clippers? Nah. Nobody ever excels there. Nobody.

Seattle? Nope. Too much franchise chaos and coaching turnover.

OKC - c'mon, an expansion team?

Now, lets talk about the distance and culture shock from rural North Carolina to Broadway. Visualize a polite discussion with the respected Donnie Walsh and the always positively reinforcing Mike D'Antoni... a moment with Herb Williams... a crisp new white home NEW YORK uni with the number 54 stitched on the front and back... not Clippers, or Sonics or (cough) Oklahoma City. New York.

Throw in the courtside appeal of Chris Rock, Spike, Bill Bradley, Jay-z, some A list actors, John McEnroe and (of course) Beyonce checking you out.

Nate comes up dancing during warmups (in between busting threes) and makes you laugh.

NEW YORK

Turn down the house lights and add in about 19,765 screaming New Yorkers.

Add water and stir.
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2/20/2009  9:43 AM
Earl: I agree with you about the environment that Wilcox has played in can really steal away a players motivation. Playing in losing situations is very tough and has a way of stunting growth. Now he's in NY and despite the fact that we are still losing, it is still clearly a different situation. Number one it's New York. Number 2 D'Antoni is very good at instilling confidence in players. Number 3-he has a chance to be a major contributor in a playoff push in a contract year. It's the perfect storm and a great opportunity for Chris to step up and get things done. I believe in D'Antoni's ability to get the most from players and think this is a great situation(even if it's a short stay) for Chris.

But allow me to play devil's advocate. The problem with losing situations is that they can create horrible bad habits. Perfectly good lottery picks follow other losing players and learn their work and on the court habits. Many of these habits are very hard to get rid of. We will have to see how many bad habits he has.
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2/20/2009  9:52 AM
Bad Habits

bipp - "exorcising bad habits" is listed on the Mike D'Antoni job description. It is one of the reasons he is on the payroll.

It's time for a "sit down" with Donnie Walsh at the corner coffee shop.

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2/20/2009  9:57 AM
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Panos - I don't like Chris Wilcox. He's a stiff, and an uncoordinated goon.

I can't wait


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