Posted by OasisBU:

My issue is this: if we are going to be mediocre, why not just tank and get the top draft pick or at least the #2 or #3? Why keep settling for #6, #7, or #8???? It doesn't do us any good.

I know a lot of people on the board are against tanking, but look at what it did for Houston and Cleveland. When there is talent coming into the draft I think it is definitely worth it. Winning meaningless games also cost us a shot at Mayo - remember that?

This is not a playoff team, and it is definitely not a championship team. As martin said, we are rebuilding, and I think you need to do that with solid draft picks and augment it with a few trades and free agent signings.

Posted by arkrud:

Posted by 4949:

Well, I put it out there. and get back a 'learning lesson speech, a shot to the ribs and a poster who appears to be bias.'

Why not to enjoy what is given to you instead of being miserable with unreal expectations?

Posted by sebstar:

The Chandler bashing and criticism that goes on around here is straight foolish.

This is a transition year, dont know what you guys are expecting here.

Posted by martin:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

You're talking about the mental, that has yet to be seen. We already know he doesn't have the toughness that stems from the physical.

dude, he got hurt. Happens all the time. Don't mean he lacks physical toughness.

You are attempting to be rational with a poster who has already reached his conclusion. Just a waste of time, my friend.

If people took the time to see the clips of Gallinari they would know that he was frequently on the floor after his drives to the basket and the fouls that were committed on him. I don't think the"get together" with Traylor caused Gallinari's back problem.

From speaking to one of my ex athletes (a 21 yr old college wrestler) who has a bulging disc, I believe that Gallinari's injury stems from poor lifting (weight training) techniques. (The following was taken from a medical website: While aging, excess weight, improper lifting and the decrease in water in the discs all contribute to the breaking down of discs, the primary cause of a herniation or bluge is uneven compression and torsion that's placed on the discs.) Don Mattingly's career was cut short by a disc problem, by way. The same was true for Larry Bird.

The injury has nothing to do with "toughness." That is just a term used by someone who does not know what he (or she) is talking about. My ex-wrestler mentioned above was (is) one of the toughest kids I ever had, but he is in a sport where a lot of lifting takes place, and he's the type of athlete who will attempt to use his athleticism to get him out of a bad situation, even if his body goes through some unnatural contortions. His back was injured while weightlifting or wrestling, not because of a lack of "physical toughness." My hypothesis is that Gallinari hurt his back during his pre-summer league wieght training.

Time will tell us whether Gallinari was a smart or dumb pick based on his playing ability, or an unfortunate one because of an injury that hampered his career. I, on the other hand, don't need any time to reach the conclusion that certain posters reveal their ignorance or lack of perspective by believing that their "opinion" or "point of view" has merit just because they take the time to type out a few words on a computer.

Posted by martin:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by martin:

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

You're talking about the mental, that has yet to be seen. We already know he doesn't have the toughness that stems from the physical.

dude, he got hurt. Happens all the time. Don't mean he lacks physical toughness.

Isn't skepticism respected with this organization ?

skepticism, sure. But you pronounced Gallo to have no toughness. We have no clue what he's got cause he hasn't played.

Martin, rookies do not get injured backs from blocking fouls all the time. They break bones, that is normal, they don't get bulging discs. That is a severe red flag.

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by sebstar:

The Chandler bashing and criticism that goes on around here is straight foolish.

This is a transition year, dont know what you guys are expecting here.

We're a bad team, Chandler had a bad stretch of games, it was debated as to why. Only a couple of people reacted negatively to it and nobody actually BASHED Chandler. Any criticism was constructive because he had been playing well, then wasn't, and the reasons why were brought up.

The gross over-reaction of some to that Chandler thread was unfounded. Can we not discuss our players? Can we not discuss their faults when they are not playing well?

Why must that always be misinterpreted as hating, bashing, etc?

The same is going on with Nate Robinson right now. Why? He's playing poorly. Why are we discussing that? Because he's played much better in the past. What do you discuss when a player is doing poorly? His faults. Yet, soon, someone will lambaste half the fan base as haters and bashes for merely discussing their team.

I never got that...and it's strictly an internet phenomena as far as I've noticed.

The over-the-top criticism of Chandler, IMO, hasnt been appropriate for a 21 y/o in his first year. If anything, it has proven the sterotype about overreaching NY fans who expect to much and are ultra-critical. If you can dish it, take it in return...