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1/2/2009  10:25 AM
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No matter what, Marbs has some talent. I beleive that there are other teams out there who may want him. Like some of you said lets do what's good for the team. Management should forget the negetive field around Marbs and try to get a deal where we can get something back. A trade and a first round draft pick. Lets face it Marbs will be on good behavior for the rest of the season playing for any play off bound team. Taking a buyout and giving him to Boston with nothing in return will be like a smack in the face. Remember we practally gave Ewing away. Let's not do it again. Let's take the buy out off the table and show these other teams that we ain't giving him away with nothing in return.When we get close to the trade deadline somethings got to give. I also beleive that Boston may have been tampering illegaly.



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1/2/2009  10:58 AM
I don't know how this clown keeps himself in the news. I think Walsh is ready to just have him sit and release him after he can't be added to a playoff roster. Marbury has never not gotten his way as a professional. He does not get that Walsh is in no rush to release him and may still see his contract as something he can use to improve his team. Marbury will not be a Celtic. His ego is so flawed that he cannot even begin to participate in a negotiation that involves him giving up something to get something.
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1/2/2009  11:04 AM
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I disagree on the mistreatment thing. Just because we keep him on the roster and don't give him everything he wants doesn't mean we are mistreating him. The Knicks have to do what's best for them. In my view you do not let your most talented player go to a team in your division without getting something out of it.

I agree completely. Although I agree with Islesfan's premise to a point, one thing we cant confuse is allowing for "restoring dignity to the franchise" to translate into becoming complete pushovers for petulant primadonnas.

The Knicks have set guidelines for a buyout that are exceedingly fair. Marbury has yet to budge and show faith in even the slightest degree. As such, the Knicks should stand pat and do what they are continuing to do and thats excommunicate him from the organization. What you dont want to do is send a message to the rest of the league that not only do you allow players to run roughshod over the franchise, but that dysfunction is rewarded in acquiescence. At some point you have to reveal that you have a backbone.

I cant in good conscience co-sign giving someone, who has caused us so many problems, 20 million dollars so he can walk to a league rival and put himself in a great position to win a chip. Thats not spite, thats pride.

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1/2/2009  11:08 AM
So we're going to punish ourselves in an effort to punish Marbury?

That would be a poor management decision and show unprofessionalism on our side.

Do what is best for the team not for some petty personal reason. We need to drama to end and we need the roster spot. Everything else is secondary.
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1/2/2009  11:10 AM
I don't see how any of this is punishing Marbury. We're paying him $21 million right now. What incentive do we have to pay him $21 million AND let him go to a contender? Marbury needs to offer that incentive, but accepting a buyout for less money... otherwise, he can rot on the bench.

The fact is that Marbury is having a lot of fun, earning $21 million while he relaxes. If anyone thinks that is punishment for a guy who wanted to retire to Italy anyway, you're nuts.
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1/2/2009  11:12 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

So we're going to punish ourselves in an effort to punish Marbury?

That would be a poor management decision and show unprofessionalism on our side.

Do what is best for the team not for some petty personal reason. We need to drama to end and we need the roster spot. Everything else is secondary.

we need to hold on to Marbury for as long as he can be considered a chip and then after that has been used or passed, then we need the roster spot.

What's the extra roster spot going to get us in the long term? NADA.

Remind me what the drama is again? There is drama for you and Berman, but that's it.
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1/2/2009  11:14 AM
how would we be punishing ourselves? saving that $1 mil is not accomplishing anything... unless Marbs is willing to make more of a concession than that, there's no point in buying him out now & letting him go play for a division rival... what good does that do the NY Knicks' franchise? just because you buy him out don't be fooled into thinking the drama will end there... every time the Celtics & Knicks play this year u can bet the drama will reach even newer heights than it's ever been w/this whole Marbury fiasco... Dolan & Walsh don't need that kinda negative publicity to add to their worries, they have enough to deal w/already... the only one to win out on something like that is Marbs... so why do the Knicks want to accomodate that clown again?
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1/2/2009  11:14 AM
Marbury is such an idiot. Why he does not just take $17-$18 mill and go on his way is beyond me. Classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. If I am Walsh, I tell Marbury we will give you $17 mill and you can go whereever you want, or else, you can sit home for the rest of the year. Take it or leave it.
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1/2/2009  11:17 AM
Because Marbs doesn't love basketball anymore.
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1/2/2009  11:20 AM
Posted by TheGame:

Marbury is such an idiot. Why he does not just take $17-$18 mill and go on his way is beyond me. Classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. If I am Walsh, I tell Marbury we will give you $17 mill and you can go whereever you want, or else, you can sit home for the rest of the year. Take it or leave it.

This is the one situation where I think Marbury knows what he's doing and has a clear plan. We just don't like it, because we hoped he cared about more. Marbury is proving that his only motivation is money; not basketball.

Unfortunately for him, I think the damage he's caused to himself over the last two years, I seriously doubt he'll come anywhere close to sniffing even half of $21 million for the rest of his career combined.
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1/2/2009  11:27 AM
Accommodating him means we accommodate ourselves. We put an end to something that should have been dealt with over the summer. Where he goes is of no consequence for by the time this team is any good Marbury will likely be out of the NBA and in position to hurt us.

As to the drama it goes far and beyond Berman and myself. I'm hardly the only fan that wants this over with. He is in the news far too often for a guy who isn't even with the team. Players and coaches talk as if we're being unprofessional about it. It's just time to get rid of him.

As to holding onto him as a trading chip I have to ask what are we going to get in return for a 22M dollar salary that we won't want gone the second it gets here? It would be unwise to trade him or Malik for 2010s and say "Oh well, it's for 2010 anyway" because what you're doing is taking two bums who expire THIS year and recycling them into other bums who will take up roster space that can be filled with actual assets down the road.

And finally, the idea to get back at Marbury, by sitting him out until March 2nd and then laughing that he can't be on a playoff roster, might fulfill some sense of personal gratification, but it's an extremely unprofessional act and we're talking about a franchise who Isiah ran into the ground by doing that very thing to other players and the entire league took note and labeled us as unprofessional. I thought Walsh was supposed to bring professionalism back to this franchise. No matter what Marbury had done, sitting him out until he can no longer be on a playoff roster, is a jerk move that will be taken notice by players some of which we might want to sign down the road.

We do ourselves no good service in keeping Marbury around. None. There is not one single positive that comes from this.

The right thing to do is to just end it as soon as possible.
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1/2/2009  11:36 AM
Accommodating him means we accommodate ourselves.

that's BS... continuing to accomodate idiot primadonnas like him means this franchise is making it known to the world that you can come here & act like an idiot all you want, ur gonna get paid in the long run regardless... it's time this franchise took a stand & not let spoiled athletes like this bend the franchise over a chair & take it up the ass... if Marbury wants to play so badly, it's up to HIM to make the concessions here, not the Knicks... right now he's in no position of strength & there's absolutely no reason for the Knicks to continue to be made into fools by this guy... Donnie needs to do exactly what he's been doing, & that's not to give in to this idiot... that's the best possible message to send to other players who are taking notice of this situation as well as to the players on this current roster... if u wanna change the culture & not let this idiot get his way yet again at the expense of our franchise, then that's the only way to handle this situation.
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1/2/2009  11:41 AM
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I can just imagin Boston laughing and taunting us with Marbury on thier team and Marbury's chance to win a ring. He probably would then go to Italy to play rubbing our nose with his ring and we got nothing in return for him.
I say this, I don't care where he plays just as long as we get something out of it. Take the buy out off the table and lets make a deal. Marbury has talent, and we must Capitalize on that.
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1/2/2009  11:41 AM
At the end of the day he is not gonna be waived now.....the trading deadline is coming. I suspect he might be waived by then since most of his salary has already been paid up to that point....Donnie is exploring trades. Marbs's contract is a huge asset to the team.

Marbs can cry and obviously leak rumors all he wants....he's not playing a game this season until the trade deadline...if he even is waived cuz Donnie doesnt have to do anything.
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1/2/2009  11:52 AM
Who would we trade him for that would be any good and expire in 2009 or 2010? Only a select few teams would dare to take him on and they are not gutting 22M worth of salary to get it done.

Trading him is extremely unrealistic. As you already said he's been paid quite a bit of money as the season is already pretty far along. Soon the final number owed won't be all that much.

I'm still surprised that the last buyout talks did not bear fruit. Marbury offered 1M off (20.9M) Walsh wanted 17M (4.9M off) Marbury said no so Walsh said 3M off (18.9M). I thought that was pretty fair. Marbury balked. Maybe this time he won't. Maybe Walsh says "okay, the 400K fine is rescinded, and we want 2.5M off though." You'd think Marbury would take it. I don't blame him if he doesn't and then sits out the rest of the year for 2.5M is a lot of money. Yet, if he wants to go that badly then he should consider it. For it'd really only be 1.5M off once he signs elsewhere and if he does well he could command 2-3M the following year.

Yet, we're talking about a moron here, so who knows.
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1/2/2009  11:55 AM
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Accommodating him means we accommodate ourselves.

that's BS... continuing to accomodate idiot primadonnas like him means this franchise is making it known to the world that you can come here & act like an idiot all you want, ur gonna get paid in the long run regardless... it's time this franchise took a stand & not let spoiled athletes like this bend the franchise over a chair & take it up the ass... if Marbury wants to play so badly, it's up to HIM to make the concessions here, not the Knicks... right now he's in no position of strength & there's absolutely no reason for the Knicks to continue to be made into fools by this guy... Donnie needs to do exactly what he's been doing, & that's not to give in to this idiot... that's the best possible message to send to other players who are taking notice of this situation as well as to the players on this current roster... if u wanna change the culture & not let this idiot get his way yet again at the expense of our franchise, then that's the only way to handle this situation.

If you wait until March 2nd, to screw with his future, and end up paying him his entire salary ANYWAY, we're the ones that come off as idiots.

If he puts his original offer of 1M back on the table then you take it this time. If Donnie offers 2M then Marbury should just take it. If he doesn't and sits out the season it would not surprise me.

Yet to put a vindictive angle on it, one that shows you're just looking to punish him by messing with the potential for him to sign on a playoff roster, then we're the ones that look like jackasses here.

This should be about what is best for the Knicks and not some immature vindictive feud and the desire to try to get him over it. That's unprofessional.
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1/2/2009  11:56 AM
I don't watch the celts.

Watching the Wacky KG and his super intense nut job act is really too much on me. I appreciate his talent, but the team is unwatchable.

Marbury would be a perfect suck up on that act to prove he still has his cred.

It would also sell alot of sneakers if he can make a deep run in the playoffs.

This guy really made a DVD about his work outs last summer? I want a copy.

Does the Celtics have no. 3 retired or being used?

What a wacky group the Celts have become. Too bad Spree could not make a comeback and join them.
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1/2/2009  11:58 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TMS:
Accommodating him means we accommodate ourselves.

that's BS... continuing to accomodate idiot primadonnas like him means this franchise is making it known to the world that you can come here & act like an idiot all you want, ur gonna get paid in the long run regardless... it's time this franchise took a stand & not let spoiled athletes like this bend the franchise over a chair & take it up the ass... if Marbury wants to play so badly, it's up to HIM to make the concessions here, not the Knicks... right now he's in no position of strength & there's absolutely no reason for the Knicks to continue to be made into fools by this guy... Donnie needs to do exactly what he's been doing, & that's not to give in to this idiot... that's the best possible message to send to other players who are taking notice of this situation as well as to the players on this current roster... if u wanna change the culture & not let this idiot get his way yet again at the expense of our franchise, then that's the only way to handle this situation.

If you wait until March 2nd, to screw with his future, and end up paying him his entire salary ANYWAY, we're the ones that come off as idiots.

If he puts his original offer of 1M back on the table then you take it this time. If Donnie offers 2M then Marbury should just take it. If he doesn't and sits out the season it would not surprise me.

Yet to put a vindictive angle on it, one that shows you're just looking to punish him by messing with the potential for him to sign on a playoff roster, then we're the ones that look like jackasses here.

This should be about what is best for the Knicks and not some immature vindictive feud and the desire to try to get him over it. That's unprofessional.

I can't see your point of view on this one. The Knicks are playing hard negotiating. $1 million is so close to worthless to the Knicks that they're willing to wait it out. Why should the Knicks help a competitor improve for a mere $1 million? You never answered this.

Not to mention that the guy refused to play twice.
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1/2/2009  12:02 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TMS:
Accommodating him means we accommodate ourselves.

that's BS... continuing to accomodate idiot primadonnas like him means this franchise is making it known to the world that you can come here & act like an idiot all you want, ur gonna get paid in the long run regardless... it's time this franchise took a stand & not let spoiled athletes like this bend the franchise over a chair & take it up the ass... if Marbury wants to play so badly, it's up to HIM to make the concessions here, not the Knicks... right now he's in no position of strength & there's absolutely no reason for the Knicks to continue to be made into fools by this guy... Donnie needs to do exactly what he's been doing, & that's not to give in to this idiot... that's the best possible message to send to other players who are taking notice of this situation as well as to the players on this current roster... if u wanna change the culture & not let this idiot get his way yet again at the expense of our franchise, then that's the only way to handle this situation.

If you wait until March 2nd, to screw with his future, and end up paying him his entire salary ANYWAY, we're the ones that come off as idiots.

If he puts his original offer of 1M back on the table then you take it this time. If Donnie offers 2M then Marbury should just take it. If he doesn't and sits out the season it would not surprise me.

Yet to put a vindictive angle on it, one that shows you're just looking to punish him by messing with the potential for him to sign on a playoff roster, then we're the ones that look like jackasses here.

This should be about what is best for the Knicks and not some immature vindictive feud and the desire to try to get him over it. That's unprofessional.

i don't agree w/that at all... what the hell do we accomplish by saving $1 million? u think paying Marbs $20 mil instead of $21 & watching that moron celebrate a championship in Boston of all places sends some kinda message that we didn't get completely taken for fools by this guy anyway? come on, get real dude... unless Marbs is willing to come down to what Walsh reasonably asked for, there's no reason for him to even listen at this point... $3 mil is more than fair.
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1/2/2009  12:11 PM
btw.....Marbs and house on the same team...how is that gonna work?

Marbs started this rumor....he's the only person quoted in the article. It's sad....

I say he wants his money give it to him....he can sign with someone July 2nd..or whenever the free agency period starts in the off-season.
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