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djsunyc
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12/31/2008  2:02 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I think Isiah was much worse than Layden because of his behavior towards others. The sexual harrassment lawsuit, the treatment of Don Chaney, the treatment of some players (i.e. Mutoumbo, Nichols,), the treatment of Lenny Wilkins, the calling out of the fans, throwing his signature players (Curry and Marbury) under the bus in an attempt to save his skin, the racist statements, blaming the fans for the losing, getting into it with the fans behind the bench. The Knicks were known as an organization that lacked professionalism and class during Isiah's reign.

I think some of this is unfair...what did he do to Mutumbo or Nichols that was so bad?

Layden was worse, because his roster decisions seemed to be completely fueled by his wack ass, backwards, Mormon mentality. To each his own, to argue who was worse would be like arguing who you would rather bang: Nancy Grace or Rosie O'Donnell.

The article was a good one --- I know you Zeke haters are that anybody would try to take a measured look at his run here...He did inherit an absolute mess and dog chit of a roster. But he was given a respectable grace period and an insane amount of latitude and resources. His tenure was defined by the mind-numbing Curry trade which was just awful and completely sunk him. He couldnt recover from that. The sexual harassment stuff was just icing.

Zeke just failed and deserved the ax. Dont know what more I can say.

the harrassment wasn't icing, it was the reason he was fired. if not for that, there's a good chance he's still around today trading expirings for more members of the hoopzfam...
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12/31/2008  2:04 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by CrushAlot:

I think Isiah was much worse than Layden because of his behavior towards others. The sexual harrassment lawsuit, the treatment of Don Chaney, the treatment of some players (i.e. Mutoumbo, Nichols,), the treatment of Lenny Wilkins, the calling out of the fans, throwing his signature players (Curry and Marbury) under the bus in an attempt to save his skin, the racist statements, blaming the fans for the losing, getting into it with the fans behind the bench. The Knicks were known as an organization that lacked professionalism and class during Isiah's reign.

I think some of this is unfair...what did he do to Mutumbo or Nichols that was so bad?

Layden was worse, because his roster decisions seemed to be completely fueled by his wack ass, backwards, Mormon mentality. To each his own, to argue who was worse would be like arguing who you would rather bang: Nancy Grace or Rosie O'Donnell.

The article was a good one --- I know you Zeke haters are that anybody would try to take a measured look at his run here...He did inherit an absolute mess and dog chit of a roster. But he was given a respectable grace period and an insane amount of latitude and resources. His tenure was defined by the mind-numbing Curry trade which was just awful and completely sunk him. He couldnt recover from that. The sexual harassment stuff was just icing.

Zeke just failed and deserved the ax. Dont know what more I can say.

the harrassment wasn't icing, it was the reason he was fired. if not for that, there's a good chance he's still around today trading expirings for more members of the hoopzfam...

me thinks that if they finished 59-23 in Zeke's last year he would have been Teflon. People would have been saying that he was railroaded and there is no way he was trying to get sexual with someone who looked like that.
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12/31/2008  2:20 PM
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The only thing that I get from this article is that Layden is in equal standing with Isiah when it comes managing a team. Zeke is just more colorful.
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12/31/2008  2:20 PM
Regarding Nichols, when he said that he would not play in Europe as Isiah had planned he was disciplined. He did not practice or play in the preseason but was not cut until the final day so that he would not be able to sign with and learn another teams system. It was a power move and Isiah did this sort of thing alot.
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12/31/2008  2:22 PM
Isiah was not fired he was reassigned. He is still employed by the Knicks organization.
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12/31/2008  4:01 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

Isiah was not fired he was reassigned. He is still employed by the Knicks organization.

Barely.
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12/31/2008  6:29 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by CrushAlot:

Isiah was not fired he was reassigned. He is still employed by the Knicks organization.

Barely.

To be fair, since he was brilliantly given an extension for acquiring a playoff spot for about 3 days, they're making him earn his money doing.... um... stuff. Yeah he has no office or no title but he's getting paid like $6M a year to do... y'know... stuff.
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12/31/2008  7:12 PM
Auh Game? I tried to make the same argument in the beginning about what he inherited. But if you look below, it's a little hard to argue with it, especially since isiah had five years to make it right. And if you remember, isiah got rid of Layden's guys pretty fast, replacing them with his own: Curry, Q, Jeffries, Jerome, Marbury, etc.

Layden: Just over four years: 175 - 181 (six games under .500_

isiah: Five seasons: 151 - 259 (108 games under .500)

And to make it worse, he had to go and get the Knicks sued.

He left Walsh with a big mess and look what Walsh went out and did in less then a few months into the brand new season? Salary cap.

Simply put, isiah was just plain stupid.

I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/31/2008  8:17 PM
Posted by 4949:

Auh Game? I tried to make the same argument in the beginning about what he inherited. But if you look below, it's a little hard to argue with it, especially since isiah had five years to make it right. And if you remember, isiah got rid of Layden's guys pretty fast, replacing them with his own: Curry, Q, Jeffries, Jerome, Marbury, etc.

Layden: Just over four years: 175 - 181 (six games under .500_

isiah: Five seasons: 151 - 259 (108 games under .500)

And to make it worse, he had to go and get the Knicks sued.

He left Walsh with a big mess and look what Walsh went out and did in less then a few months into the brand new season? Salary cap.

Simply put, isiah was just plain stupid.

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12/31/2008  8:22 PM
Papabear Says

There was a lot of mistakes made and we made a change for the good.Hopefully the team will not make the same mistake again. We've been through 5 years of bad decisions and over paying for talent. 2009 is coming and lets hope for the best.

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12/31/2008  8:27 PM
Posted by K22:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by CrushAlot:

Isiah was not fired he was reassigned. He is still employed by the Knicks organization.

Barely.

To be fair, since he was brilliantly given an extension for acquiring a playoff spot for about 3 days, they're making him earn his money doing.... um... stuff. Yeah he has no office or no title but he's getting paid like $6M a year to do... y'know... stuff.


Stuff? Is that the street name for barbiturates these days?
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12/31/2008  11:57 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by K22:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by CrushAlot:

Isiah was not fired he was reassigned. He is still employed by the Knicks organization.

Barely.

To be fair, since he was brilliantly given an extension for acquiring a playoff spot for about 3 days, they're making him earn his money doing.... um... stuff. Yeah he has no office or no title but he's getting paid like $6M a year to do... y'know... stuff.


Stuff? Is that the street name for barbiturates these days?

couple more pills and his employment would have been over.
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1/1/2009  12:03 AM
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1/1/2009  1:01 AM
I agree with the notion that the squad he inherited sucked. Also, you have to acknowledge that Dolan wanted instant results.

Two problems I have with Isiah is he is a sniveling snake who would say whatever the owner wanted to hear and he generally treated others like garbage. About every trade he made he gave up more than he needed to. And every free agent signing was garbage. His drafts were good, and if he had told Dolan the only way to build a championship team is through the draft and he went about building that way- we'd have a much better team than what we have know.


And that is factorial!
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1/1/2009  1:50 PM
The article is clearly flawed-- first, dealing with the article, while we can only make assumptions, we should really compare what IT did to what would have occurred if he did nothing at all. I don't have time right now, but even inheriting AH's contract which expired in the summer of 2007, we could have been done with the cap issues if he had done nothing. The league offered IT a reprieve in the form of the Allan Houston Rule, but IT was too stupid to use it... it being clear that his other bad contract mistakes would take precedence-- he used the one-time opportunity to waive AH on Jerome Williams. His willingness to take talent regardless of salary has prolonged our misery until 2010 (if Walsh hadn't done anything, it would be at least 2011. We all know he stepped into a bad team when he arrived, but that team made the playoffs his first half a season. I need a count on the number of draft picks he gave up in the process of not winning, but regardless, I think the benchmark for IT's performance is really the JailBlazers... they were another salary laden talent deep team that couldn't win... if you compare where they are now to where we are now, it is clear that IT did a bad job. If the GM's sole responsibility is to be a talent scout, well then he did good. But, the Knicks hire scouts to do that job... I hope Walsh is keeping IT around as a talent scout... (albeit isolated from the remainder of the personnel), because it is clear that draft-wise he has a good eye for talent. Beyond that, his management skills stink.
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1/1/2009  5:27 PM
Posted by 4949:

Auh Game? I tried to make the same argument in the beginning about what he inherited. But if you look below, it's a little hard to argue with it, especially since isiah had five years to make it right. And if you remember, isiah got rid of Layden's guys pretty fast, replacing them with his own: Curry, Q, Jeffries, Jerome, Marbury, etc.

Layden: Just over four years: 175 - 181 (six games under .500_

isiah: Five seasons: 151 - 259 (108 games under .500)

And to make it worse, he had to go and get the Knicks sued.

He left Walsh with a big mess and look what Walsh went out and did in less then a few months into the brand new season? Salary cap.

Simply put, isiah was just plain stupid.

I was not defending the article. I totally agree that IT was a bad GM. I just thought the article made some interesting (albeit flawed) points and wanted to get other posters view on it.
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1/1/2009  6:33 PM
If you want to let this guy know how you feel about this article you can leave a comment here:

http://sportsonmymind.com/2008/12/31/isiah%e2%80%99s-suicide-mission-revisiting-the-worst-roster-in-nba-history/

Try to refrain from using the word @ssclown when you refer to him.
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1/1/2009  7:20 PM
I think Isiah was above average at drafting. He made some mistakes (especially Frye) but on the whole I think he batted for a higher than average percentage. He was one of the worst traders and free agent signers in the history of the game, though.
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1/1/2009  7:34 PM
Terrible article. Layden's mistakes do not excuse Isiah's. Most of it is targetted at the fact that Isiah inherited an veteran roster. Yes, the author of that article is an outright idiot. The few times I've seen his material, it's been awful and painfully biased.

Even Isiah's drafting was average. He gets a lot of credit from a loud minority, yet most of this board agrees that he didn't draft any players that are unquestionable starter quality during his tenure here.

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1/2/2009  12:47 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

If you want to let this guy know how you feel about this article you can leave a comment here:

http://sportsonmymind.com/2008/12/31/isiah%e2%80%99s-suicide-mission-revisiting-the-worst-roster-in-nba-history/

Try to refrain from using the word @ssclown when you refer to him.

They published my comment. See if you can guess which one it is.
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