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Bippity10
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12/29/2008  5:45 AM
How long before the "Fire D'Antoni" chants start?
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12/29/2008  10:28 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

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Posted by holfresh:


He knows it's difficult playing in New York, they just need to play through it...Is this guy coaching the home team or the away team...


Just an ill-informed opinion from someone who has not been here. Ny fans have been very good despite being bad for 7+ years. I heard lets go Knicks and every chance that the fans are given to help the team--they do it. If they boo once in awhile I think it's a reasonable sign too--how many times can you be down double digits while making fans pay high prices. Dantoni has been a here a few months----there are fans who know the town and the the fans 1000 times better than him. Ny is a good place to play and he shouldnt intimate otherwise in any respect. I think he needs to shut his own mouth and play a better fundmanetal style and make sure he reigns in poor performance with a quick hook. I almost pisred my pants when Al Harrington came in and took an off balanced three two seconds later---where is the coach there? The style of play the coach runs is a finesse style and since he doenst like guys who clog the middle they will have trouble on D all the time. Lets face it they had a fantasy team when he was in Pheonix--a once in a lifetime type team. Pat Riley wouldve won a championship with that type of team with slight modification. We still took 35 3s today--who's fault is that--who is responsible? The coach is letting it happen so he is culpable.

It's the media knuckle head not the fans. The media is atrocious in NYC. Clowns like Berman and Isola spend every waking minute trying to pick on any available scab and create friction. When things are going good they write about Marbury constantly - when things are going bad they jump on the coach. Whatever the negative angle is -- they pick on it.

NY fans are tough because they are more passionate than most fans around the country -- they know the game but I don't think they are unfair.

We need tough minded players -- right now we have some real pussies masquerading as NBA players.
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12/29/2008  10:42 AM
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didn't Isiah make similar excuses remarks?

It's almost not worth discussing based off hofresh's reporting. He provides no context (like the question D' was asked) and D's answer is not in quotes, so who knows how accurate it is? But just for kicks and giggles lets take a look...

Isiah got into an exchange with fans during a loss and blamed them for the missed free throws and layups saying our team was disadvantaged by not having a "6th man", referring to the fans. This tells his players it's okay to blame the fans for their failings.

By the looks of it D'antoni was probably asked how he prepares his players for a hostile home crowd and he tells them it's their job to play through it. I don't see blame or excuses there, I see him telling them such excuses are unacceptable.

[Edited by - blueseats on 12-28-2008 10:04 PM]


exactly... From the way I see it, he is telling the players, to suck it up and get the job done...

Thats the ways I see it aswell....but the usuaul suspects, Holfresh, Isles and Gall never liked the MDA hire in the first place so they dig-out any negative mole-hill they can find and blow it up into mountainous proportions. I would still like the see the direct quotes not to mention the complete dialogue that led to that response.

[Edited by - uptown on 12-29-2008 10:54 AM]
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12/29/2008  10:46 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

How long before the "Fire D'Antoni" chants start?

Not long, I hope. Sounds like the beginning signs of the coming breakdown are there.

D'Antoni will not be led from the Garden by security guards ala Don Chaney, nor silenced and humiliated ala Larry Brown. Rather he will be carried, frothing & straitjacketed, by men in white coats. I can't wait. We are the best when it comes to breaking coaches.

I want to see Stephon Marbury return triumphant to the garden, to his rightful place as The Knicks starting point guard. Then I can update my sig.

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12/29/2008  11:13 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:

How long before the "Fire D'Antoni" chants start?

Not long, I hope. Sounds like the beginning signs of the coming breakdown are there.

D'Antoni will not be led from the Garden by security guards ala Don Chaney, nor silenced and humiliated ala Larry Brown. Rather he will be carried, frothing & straitjacketed, by men in white coats. I can't wait. We are the best when it comes to breaking coaches.

I want to see Stephon Marbury return triumphant to the garden, to his rightful place as The Knicks starting point guard. Then I can update my sig.

Maybe we can get a Marbury family member to coach? & GM!
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12/29/2008  11:24 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Bippity10:

How long before the "Fire D'Antoni" chants start?

Not long, I hope. Sounds like the beginning signs of the coming breakdown are there.

D'Antoni will not be led from the Garden by security guards ala Don Chaney, nor silenced and humiliated ala Larry Brown. Rather he will be carried, frothing & straitjacketed, by men in white coats. I can't wait. We are the best when it comes to breaking coaches.

I want to see Stephon Marbury return triumphant to the garden, to his rightful place as The Knicks starting point guard. Then I can update my sig.

We can only hope this occurs. Maybe Captain Zeke was not just trying to make us loyal fans happy when he said he would be back. Maybe this will be his opening.
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12/29/2008  3:12 PM
I think he is making reference to the Media. We all know that the media thrives on turmoil and would rather see the Knicks go down in flames again and again year after year because it makes for headlines. The Media makes it hard to play in NY its not the fans or anyone else. It has always been the media.
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12/29/2008  3:22 PM
Isiah took shots at the fans and disrespected the crap out of the media. He also used it as an excuse and even blamed the fans for our losing. MDA is saying that it's tough to play here (Which it is) but the team still has to play through it. Meaning, get your arses in gear, stop being pansies and play, no matter how hard it is to play. He's holding the team accountable.

HUGE difference.
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12/29/2008  8:53 PM
Posted by holfresh:


He knows it's difficult playing in New York, they just need to play through it...Is this guy coaching the home team or the away team...




if you're gonna report on something, give the correct statement & context of that statement.

he was asked about that time out in the 4th quarter the game before vs. Minny 9 seconds in where he lit into the team...

his exact statement was:

"We do have a little bit of a defeatist attitude every once in a while. You know, New York isn't the easiest place to play, but that's not an excuse. There's just a lot of little factors. I just think we have to have some kinda aura, and some kinda fight in us that no matter what happens on & off the court, no matter what happens to players, injuries, we have to band together and have a spirit that won't go away. Now that doesn't mean you'll win all the time obviously because we're not as good as some other teams, but that spirit should be untouchable and every once in a while we lose that, we kinda look down a little bit, or maybe it's just me, I don't know, but that's something we're trying to fight and try to regain."


I have no idea what you would find objectionable about anything he said.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-29-2008 5:55 PM]
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12/29/2008  9:40 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Isiah took shots at the fans and disrespected the crap out of the media. He also used it as an excuse and even blamed the fans for our losing.


I know, I miss Cap'n Zeke too.
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12/29/2008  10:00 PM
Posted by McK1:

didn't Isiah make similar excuses remarks?

Yeah, but no real sincerity to back any of it up. That's the difference.
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12/29/2008  10:07 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

What is wrong with what he said?

It is difficult playing in New York and they do need to play it through the boo's that rein down.

That's exactly' what they have to do. Play through it. It's like a batter in baseball. Even though you miss, you still have to follow through, so you don't lose your swing-through. Even though the 'seven player Knick team' is having difficulty finishing a game, they still need to follow through. What D'Antoni is saying (and this is unheard of in NY) 'don't give up'. Because once they give up, there is not even hope for motivation. It's called fundamentals (another thing that is unheard of in NY). And D'Antoni is doing the right thing. He'll never fold up like isiah did.

But of course some of you won't understand a word I just said, because it's unheard of in NY. 'If it moves hit and then think later' it is the Knick fan motto.
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12/29/2008  10:16 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by nyk4ever:

What is wrong with what he said?

It is difficult playing in New York and they do need to play it through the boo's that rein down.

That's exactly' what they have to do. Play through it. It's like a batter in baseball. Even though you miss, you still have to follow through, so you don't lose your swing-through. Even though the 'seven player Knick team' is having difficulty finishing a game, they still need to follow through. What D'Antoni is saying (and this is unheard of in NY) 'don't give up'. Because once they give up, there is not even hope for motivation. It's called fundamentals (another thing that is unheard of in NY). And D'Antoni is doing the right thing. He'll never fold up like isiah did.

But of course some of you won't understand a word I just said, because it's unheard of in NY. 'If it moves hit and then think later' it is the Knick fan motto.

Saying "don't give up" is unheard of in New York? Where do you get this stuff?
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12/29/2008  10:42 PM
Posted by TMS:


if you're gonna report on something, give the correct statement & context of that statement.

But wouldn't that defeat the original purpose of the OP- to take some shots at MDA? You really don't want a logical perspective to get in the way of a good rant, do you?

Reaching any conclusions about MDA's ability to turn the Knicks around after 30 games with a crew that clearly lacks the players to compete against the best teams is a waste of time at this point- almost as foolish as deciding that Gallinari is "el busto" without giving him a chance to play a season or two.

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Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by TMS:


if you're gonna report on something, give the correct statement & context of that statement.

But wouldn't that defeat the original purpose of the OP- to take some shots at MDA? You really don't want a logical perspective to get in the way of a good rant, do you?

Reaching any conclusions about MDA's ability to turn the Knicks around after 30 games with a crew that clearly lacks the players to compete against the best teams is a waste of time at this point- almost as foolish as deciding that Gallinari is "el busto" without giving him a chance to play a season or two.

i wonder what Phoenix fans were saying about MDA's ability to coach his first season there?
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12/29/2008  10:51 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by TMS:


if you're gonna report on something, give the correct statement & context of that statement.

But wouldn't that defeat the original purpose of the OP- to take some shots at MDA? You really don't want a logical perspective to get in the way of a good rant, do you?

Reaching any conclusions about MDA's ability to turn the Knicks around after 30 games with a crew that clearly lacks the players to compete against the best teams is a waste of time at this point- almost as foolish as deciding that Gallinari is "el busto" without giving him a chance to play a season or two.

i wonder what Phoenix fans were saying about MDA's ability to coach his first season there?

Yeah, little did they know how many championships he would win for them.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by TMS:


if you're gonna report on something, give the correct statement & context of that statement.

But wouldn't that defeat the original purpose of the OP- to take some shots at MDA? You really don't want a logical perspective to get in the way of a good rant, do you?

Reaching any conclusions about MDA's ability to turn the Knicks around after 30 games with a crew that clearly lacks the players to compete against the best teams is a waste of time at this point- almost as foolish as deciding that Gallinari is "el busto" without giving him a chance to play a season or two.

i wonder what Phoenix fans were saying about MDA's ability to coach his first season there?

Yeah, little did they know how many championships he would win for them.

come on, u know what i'm talking about... do u think the Phoenix fans thought he was a bad coach when he left for NY just because he didn't win a championship? i highly doubt it. did u think Pat Riley was a bad coach when he left NY?
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12/29/2008  11:20 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by TMS:


if you're gonna report on something, give the correct statement & context of that statement.

But wouldn't that defeat the original purpose of the OP- to take some shots at MDA? You really don't want a logical perspective to get in the way of a good rant, do you?

Reaching any conclusions about MDA's ability to turn the Knicks around after 30 games with a crew that clearly lacks the players to compete against the best teams is a waste of time at this point- almost as foolish as deciding that Gallinari is "el busto" without giving him a chance to play a season or two.

Nobody is reaching any conclusions. This excuse that D'Antoni doesn't have the players to do anything is total BS. To win a championship or be a contender? Yeah, no ****. Nobody is expecting that or using that as the barometer to which to judge D'Antoni. But I don't care who is on the team right now, a good coach should be able to teach fundamentals on both sides of the ball, coach effort and develop players. Whether the team wins a single game over the next 2 years, if none of that happens at a satisfactory level, the next 2 seasons will have been a waste and D'Antoni should be replaced.

And it's not "El Busto", it's Il Busto.
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12/29/2008  11:22 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by TMS:


if you're gonna report on something, give the correct statement & context of that statement.

But wouldn't that defeat the original purpose of the OP- to take some shots at MDA? You really don't want a logical perspective to get in the way of a good rant, do you?

Reaching any conclusions about MDA's ability to turn the Knicks around after 30 games with a crew that clearly lacks the players to compete against the best teams is a waste of time at this point- almost as foolish as deciding that Gallinari is "el busto" without giving him a chance to play a season or two.

i wonder what Phoenix fans were saying about MDA's ability to coach his first season there?

Yeah, little did they know how many championships he would win for them.

Yup- he won the same number of championships as Jerry Sloan has. Why Utah hasn't run him out of town is just I guess stupidity.
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12/29/2008  11:30 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Paladin55:
Posted by TMS:


if you're gonna report on something, give the correct statement & context of that statement.

But wouldn't that defeat the original purpose of the OP- to take some shots at MDA? You really don't want a logical perspective to get in the way of a good rant, do you?

Reaching any conclusions about MDA's ability to turn the Knicks around after 30 games with a crew that clearly lacks the players to compete against the best teams is a waste of time at this point- almost as foolish as deciding that Gallinari is "el busto" without giving him a chance to play a season or two.

i wonder what Phoenix fans were saying about MDA's ability to coach his first season there?

Yeah, little did they know how many championships he would win for them.

come on, u know what i'm talking about... do u think the Phoenix fans thought he was a bad coach when he left for NY just because he didn't win a championship? i highly doubt it. did u think Pat Riley was a bad coach when he left NY?

I think Phoenix fans thought that D'Antoni was a limited coach who couldn't compete at the highest level of the sport and get them past the Western Conference Finals.

I thought Riley was an ******* when he left NY but I also thought he was a Hall of Fame coach. Now what does that have to do with D'Antoni, who isn't anywhere close to Riley as a coach?
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