Harrington's going thru a rough patch just like every player does......

Posted by Elite:

a younger tim thomas???? oh god u cant be serious... get the hell out of here

What are the lifetime stats? They nearly mirror each other--hard to argue with facts

Posted by Elite:

Harrington has played much better defense, he is just a much better player. Not only would I take Harrington's good games over TT's good games... But i'd take his bad games over TT's bad games. During AH bad games he still is out there causing havoc giving effort even tho he is missing shots he is always a threat. I cant believe I am even defending this.... It really is about as a crazy comparison as ive seen here... Tim Thomas and Al Harrington??? Have u taken any note of Al Harringtons pre game preperation? How hard the dude works?? Tim Thomas??? Again... ARe you serious???

What ever way you want to cut it--they are two similar player of the same size with the same game and numbers. You are talking like Al Harrington is Michael Jordan and Tim Thomas is Jake Voshkul. They have similar numbers over 10 years!

Posted by King1:

The guy that has hit the wall is Chandler. He is getting 8 points a game and shooting 30% from the field in the last 5.

He slammed into it at 40 MPH. He needs to also concentrate on getting better % shots and rebounding. Too many players settle for long jump shots in this system--great if you are hitting them--and then the other side of the spectrum.

We have three consistent players Nate Lee and Duhon. They really do bring it every game--that should be the core and they could all be signed to long term reasonable contracts but we will face turbulence with that following the season.

I can't keep up. Isn't it better for our players to play awful? That way we don't have to worry about losing them in free agency for nothing?

It's amazing to me how some people on this site react to every little thing that happens. Some go up and down like the Stock Market, depending on the result of the most recent game. Others can place a negative spin on anything that occurs. Others were able to turn Isiah into a coaching genius who was about to unleash upon the NBA a magical hybrid unstoppable offense. Whatever happened to the level headed, even keeled, New Yorker? Yes I laughed at that question too.

Since I spent the first 7 years of my life on the West Coast(sorry elite for injecting another story into this topic), I consider myself an expert on rebuilding. We are rebuilding. When you rebuild you lose games. You lose games because you don't have the players you want. You also lose games because you have young players that are still learning. Sometimes they look like world beaters and other times they look like losers. It will be this way for a little while. The good news is our front office understands we are rebuilding and is making moves accordingly. We are in December. Will we get another draft pick? Maybe, maybe not. What I do know is that it's too early to be devastatingly sad that we won't get one. And ridiculous to rehash trades of guys that led us to 23 wins or were obviously delusional. And insane to worry about the future of a player everytime he has a good week or bad week.

Martin/Andrew do you guys have statistics on how many UK posters die of heart attacks on a daily basis? The stress level here is out of control.

Posted by franco12:

Posted by Bonn1997:

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Posted by nykshaknbake:

I don't see how you can really bash the Crawful trade. Anything you complain about Harrington, Craw does worse. And has a longer contract. A draft pick? Why stop there? I'm disappointed we couldn't land LBJ with Craw + our King James + filler.

No- my preference would have been trading Crawford to a contending team like a New Orleans or San Antonio, getting back a lesser player than Harrington, but a draft pick, perhaps in 2010 when we don't have one.

Harrington's a better player than Craw and has a better contract. Any draft pick we could get for Crawford will be inferior to the draft picks we could get for Harrington. It's just gonna take patience but Walsh was right to jump immediately on the opportunity to get Harrington for Jamal.
Edited: I just saw your next reply. I think it's clear that Walsh has a grand plan and isn't just making random trades like Isiah and Layden did. I'll trust him to figure out whether trading or keeping Harrington will fit better with that grand plan.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-22-2008 08:06 AM]

Yes I agree Harrington seems better, but if we are truly rebuilding, we should be trading for youth and draft picks, not players that are going to be 30 in 2010 and who have a ton of mileage on them from being in the league so long.

If the question was who would have been a better member of Lebron's supporting cast - I think Crawford.

If the goal was to clear cap room, why not get back a lesser talent than Al & a mid level draft pick?

Dude, you forget that in rebuilding, cap space is as important as youth and draft picks. We didn't have cap space so it was our main goal to create it and we did. Even if we all expected a home-run type of trade, I can settle for a nice double if it advances the players. Would've been perfect to get cap space AND draft picks, but remember who we were trading, remember Isiah's terrible job with trades and you will be shocked that we still could unload those salaries.

It was just step one. There is more to come.

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by franco12:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by franco12:

Posted by nykshaknbake:

I don't see how you can really bash the Crawful trade. Anything you complain about Harrington, Craw does worse. And has a longer contract. A draft pick? Why stop there? I'm disappointed we couldn't land LBJ with Craw + our King James + filler.

No- my preference would have been trading Crawford to a contending team like a New Orleans or San Antonio, getting back a lesser player than Harrington, but a draft pick, perhaps in 2010 when we don't have one.

Harrington's a better player than Craw and has a better contract. Any draft pick we could get for Crawford will be inferior to the draft picks we could get for Harrington. It's just gonna take patience but Walsh was right to jump immediately on the opportunity to get Harrington for Jamal.
Edited: I just saw your next reply. I think it's clear that Walsh has a grand plan and isn't just making random trades like Isiah and Layden did. I'll trust him to figure out whether trading or keeping Harrington will fit better with that grand plan.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-22-2008 08:06 AM]

Yes I agree Harrington seems better, but if we are truly rebuilding, we should be trading for youth and draft picks, not players that are going to be 30 in 2010 and who have a ton of mileage on them from being in the league so long.

If the question was who would have been a better member of Lebron's supporting cast - I think Crawford.

If the goal was to clear cap room, why not get back a lesser talent than Al & a mid level draft pick?

Also, who tells you there was a possible deal like that?

Trade checker

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by franco12:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by franco12:

Posted by nykshaknbake:

I don't see how you can really bash the Crawful trade. Anything you complain about Harrington, Craw does worse. And has a longer contract. A draft pick? Why stop there? I'm disappointed we couldn't land LBJ with Craw + our King James + filler.

No- my preference would have been trading Crawford to a contending team like a New Orleans or San Antonio, getting back a lesser player than Harrington, but a draft pick, perhaps in 2010 when we don't have one.

Harrington's a better player than Craw and has a better contract. Any draft pick we could get for Crawford will be inferior to the draft picks we could get for Harrington. It's just gonna take patience but Walsh was right to jump immediately on the opportunity to get Harrington for Jamal.
Edited: I just saw your next reply. I think it's clear that Walsh has a grand plan and isn't just making random trades like Isiah and Layden did. I'll trust him to figure out whether trading or keeping Harrington will fit better with that grand plan.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-22-2008 08:06 AM]

Yes I agree Harrington seems better, but if we are truly rebuilding, we should be trading for youth and draft picks, not players that are going to be 30 in 2010 and who have a ton of mileage on them from being in the league so long.

If the question was who would have been a better member of Lebron's supporting cast - I think Crawford.

If the goal was to clear cap room, why not get back a lesser talent than Al & a mid level draft pick?

Also, who tells you there was a possible deal like that?

That gets the line of the day award and it's still morning.

Since I spent the first 7 years of my life on the West Coast I consider myself an expert on rebuilding.

WTF does a 7 yr old know? Seriously dude. You are the most arrogant poster around.

bip has giant extremities???

guess we know what to get him for christmas.

Posted by Marv:

bip has giant extremities???

guess we know what to get him for christmas.

I lived on the West Coast so I consider myself an expert on the "Bro" and I admit it's the perfect gift.