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Bippity10
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12/18/2008  3:30 PM
You have to have great players to win a title so I can't penalize a guy for winning multiple titles with great players.
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12/18/2008  3:37 PM
people usually use that term and don't know the meaning of the word "gimmick". I can live with speedball, hey, if that is what jax thinks, then fine, but gimmick is wrong.

Gimmick:"A device employed to cheat, deceive, or trick, especially a mechanism for the secret and dishonest control of gambling apparatus".

Now some teams play gimmick zone defenses that are designed to deceive or trick.. The wildcat formation in the NFL is a gimmick. but pushing the ball, moving the ball and trying to get up more shots than your oppponent is called basketball. There is nothing in there that is meant to deceive or trick the opponent, unless there is a hidden bonus at the end of the game for amount of threes taken. What about Fratello and his SLoooooow ball? is that a gimmick? it is just the reverse of what D'antoni does....
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12/18/2008  3:44 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

You have to have great players to win a title so I can't penalize a guy for winning multiple titles with great players.

He didnt just have "great" players, he had carve-their-faces-on Mt.-Rushmore level players. No hate, he's good but I dont want to hear about the greatness of Phil when he had Jordan, Kobe, and Shaq riding shotgun for all his rings.
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Bippity10
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12/18/2008  3:46 PM
There is no set way to win a title. All basketball systems can win titles. This is nonsense. If you don't think that D'Antoni is a good enough coach to win a title than say so. But to say a running style doesn't win a title then you are an idiot. Great players will make it work for them.
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12/18/2008  4:26 PM
Phil Jackson is great. But he will never be called courageous in his coaching moves. Go to a team that stinks and build them up? Thats not his game. He's an opportunist. Good at what he does, and I respect that.
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12/18/2008  4:57 PM
Posted by islesfan:

It's nothing new. It's a style that can be effective in the regular season when teams can't prepare for it but in the playoffs it's a whole different story.

Yeah it was a gimmick all the way up to the Western Conf. Finals!!! You really need to give it up. You can't call something a gimmick and only successful in the regular season when it allows a team to get to WCF twice. So few teams get to that point and since the competition is at it's highest at that level, you can't bash any team for losing in that series.

I think the biggest issue isn't the style of play, but the development of the roster. We need to make sure that the roster has the talent level to not only compete for, but win a title. The Lakers won with a mostly offensive focus. The 49'ers in football did the same thing. It's not to say that defense isn't important, but remember it's only half of the game. You still need to be able to outscore your opponents.

The more we add to our shooting prowess the harder it is for teams to stop us. That's clear when we have good shooting. Now we need to continue to add to the equation and round out our roster to fill some holes. We don't have a Kobe/Lebron type player, so that's what 2010 is all about. We don't have an Amare/Camby type player and perhaps the draft or a trade can solve that. It's not all about the system tho.
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12/18/2008  5:38 PM
First of all the LA Times has always been #2 or less, to the NY Times, so hopefully that explains a little were they are coming from, Secondly we gave their team a good run for their money, so that scares them as well. I didn't get to watch the game because of the Blackout rules, but from what I heard there were a number on untimely and questionable calls against the Knicks during the course of the game.
That may be an issue on whether this team lsot or not, but what I do know there have been a few embarassing losses to the Lakers that to this day I get angry about how many fouls and FT's the Lakers took in some of those games. I mean 45 to 50 FT attempts with practically the entire Knick almost fouling out, it was horrendous the amount of calls that went against the Knicks, it was almost every possession that Lakers' had on offense, it's a nightmare.
Anyways my point is that the Knicks played the Lakers right down to the wire and that scared them, so the LA Times to save face come out with this BS about the Knicks' being a "gimmick team", well not the Knicks have to show them that they can beat them and beat them good the next time they play the Lakers.
So screw the LA Times since they are second rate or worse to the NY TImes always have been an always will be, hell I am in LA and I don't even like to read the LA Times, I read the NY Times, hehe
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12/18/2008  5:45 PM
I always thought the triangle offense was a gimmick. It predicates on having the best player in basketball to be successful. If you don't have that your basically a average or below average team.

Where exactly is the triangle offese without Jordan, Shaq and Kobe.
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12/18/2008  5:51 PM
triange offense=gimmick
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12/18/2008  9:03 PM
I can see why, any time you have a team that 50% of there shots are 3s, it seems like street ball. But the thing is 80% of the shot attemps are really wide open shots, so to say were a gimmeck is coming from a person who either looks at the stat sheet or catches very little knick games to begin with.
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12/18/2008  9:04 PM
It's not a gimmick when you have nine rings...
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12/18/2008  9:21 PM
Posted by holfresh:

It's not a gimmick when you have nine rings...

It's not even his offense. Tex Winter came up with the concept.
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12/18/2008  9:57 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by holfresh:

It's not a gimmick when you have nine rings...

It's not even his offense. Tex Winter came up with the concept.

How many teams has Mr. Winter lead to Championships???
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12/18/2008  10:40 PM
Posted by holfresh:

It's not a gimmick when you have nine rings...

Yeah but he always had the best players in the league. Thats why he won the championships. I like to see what he would do with the current Knicks. What championship is he gonna win coaching this. Besides everytime he hasn't had the best player in the league he didn't win a championship. When have the Knicks had the best player in the game.
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12/18/2008  11:07 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by holfresh:

It's not a gimmick when you have nine rings...

It's not even his offense. Tex Winter came up with the concept.

How many teams has Mr. Winter lead to Championships???

I'm pretty sure Phil had Tex with him for all of his championships- so in addition to saying Phil hasn't won anything without the two best players in the league on his team, we can add Tex to his requirements.
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12/18/2008  11:42 PM
Yeah, the Great Zen Master got knocked out of the playoffs twice by the Suns playing the same speedball didn't he? So i can see how he'd be all trying to defend his powerhouse team coming within a coupla calls going the other way and losing to us. And what better way to do that than call us a gimmick team?
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12/19/2008  1:38 AM
My point is that is hard to knock a guy with nne rings on his style of play...If you want to look at it in such stark terms then it's Zen dude 9, MDA 0.....Also in the last 30 years of watching hoops speedballl hasn't won.. MDA has
to prove his critics wrong doesn't he....
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12/19/2008  1:58 AM
Posted by holfresh:

My point is that is hard to knock a guy with nne rings on his style of play...If you want to look at it in such stark terms then it's Zen dude 9, MDA 0.....Also in the last 30 years of watching hoops speedballl hasn't won.. MDA has
to prove his critics wrong doesn't he....


I see what you are saying, i don't know if its 100% fair comparison tho. I mean if MDA had someone like Jordan or Kobe and it was still 9 to 0 then yes. Hopefully we can get James here and prove the whole" speedball don't win" theory wrong , you know what i mean
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12/19/2008  4:25 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by holfresh:

It's not a gimmick when you have nine rings...

It's not even his offense. Tex Winter came up with the concept.

How many teams has Mr. Winter lead to Championships???

Hey, I'm just stating fact. Tex is older than dirt if I recall and has never been an NBA head coach.
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12/19/2008  8:37 AM
Didn't mike winning 6 rings make mike into mike?

Its not like Jordan was winning bling before or with another team.

Shaq was in his prime, but was a liability and at games end with foul shooting problems, and was not a go to guy.

And Kobe was still seen as an immature kid. IT wasn't like Kobe was a champion type player before. Again, Jax made him.

I think Jax does not get his due because we see his players as champs, but these guys were not winners before.

Riles walked onto a team that was already in place. Magic was a NCAA champ, Worthy was a star in the making and also an NCAA champ team, and Kareem was mvp already! Jordan was a scoring machine who could not trust anyone and pippen was GOOD, but not great. He came from a small program out of college.

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