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I have to wonder around the league about the value of Zach Randolph
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BRIGGS
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12/17/2008  10:28 PM
This post really wasnt about what the Knicks couldve shouldve recived for Randolph--more like the rest of the NBA teams that had opportunity[i have to believe that there were more than 1 team that was intersted] teams put so much value on young up and coming players---this guy is 26 and an allstar caliber player who has a post game that seems to be becoming a rarity in the NBA. If you were in charge of a team and your job ultimately comes down to bottom line results--wouldnt this player become very attractive for a first round pick and some ending contracts? How many teams really haev the ability to get better players than Zach in FA this year or next year--most FAs stay with their own team and draft picks are hit miss a lot of times. I wouldve thought more teams wouldve been interested in upping the ante after watching the Knicks get out to almost 7-3 with Zach 20-10.
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12/17/2008  11:05 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This post really wasnt about what the Knicks couldve shouldve recived for Randolph--more like the rest of the NBA teams that had opportunity[i have to believe that there were more than 1 team that was intersted] teams put so much value on young up and coming players---this guy is 26 and an allstar caliber player who has a post game that seems to be becoming a rarity in the NBA. If you were in charge of a team and your job ultimately comes down to bottom line results--wouldnt this player become very attractive for a first round pick and some ending contracts? How many teams really haev the ability to get better players than Zach in FA this year or next year--most FAs stay with their own team and draft picks are hit miss a lot of times. I wouldve thought more teams wouldve been interested in upping the ante after watching the Knicks get out to almost 7-3 with Zach 20-10.

I couldnt agree more, man. I remember when we were both defending Walsh against the UK lynch mob over the rejected Clippers trade where all they wanted to give was a 2nd round pick.

He's a 6 '10 big in his prime that can light it up. He should be a commodity, what teams couldnt use that?
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12/18/2008  1:39 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This post really wasnt about what the Knicks couldve shouldve recived for Randolph--more like the rest of the NBA teams that had opportunity[i have to believe that there were more than 1 team that was intersted] teams put so much value on young up and coming players---this guy is 26 and an allstar caliber player who has a post game that seems to be becoming a rarity in the NBA. If you were in charge of a team and your job ultimately comes down to bottom line results--wouldnt this player become very attractive for a first round pick and some ending contracts? How many teams really haev the ability to get better players than Zach in FA this year or next year--most FAs stay with their own team and draft picks are hit miss a lot of times. I wouldve thought more teams wouldve been interested in upping the ante after watching the Knicks get out to almost 7-3 with Zach 20-10.

There is 13 plus million in Salary to consider. (I think his salary is going up btw). I think we can get a more team oriented player for that money. He definitely puts up numbers, I just don't see him making others around him better. YET, maybe as he matures he will start to change but I think, looking at his value in trades thus far, we at least, weren't willing to wait. (That and he really doesn't fit this style, as we'd all rather have a big man who can defend...

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12/18/2008  3:34 AM
Zach had a pretty good offensive game today putting up 30 & 8, but the Clips blew a 4 pt. lead w/25 seconds left in regulation when Eric Gordon fouled Ben Gordon on a 3 pt. shot that resulted in a 4 pt. play to tie... the Bulls won it in OT.

the guy i'd like to have gotten from the Clips is Camby tho... look at his crazy statline tonight:

19 pts. / 27 rebounds (10 offensive!) / 4 blocked shots

[Edited by - TMS on 12-18-2008 12:39 AM]
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12/18/2008  4:47 AM
Walsh took his time on the Zach trade, exploring many offers over several months. I highly doubt another team would have given up a better package.
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12/18/2008  9:40 AM
I just wish we got Camby instead of Mobley/Thomas
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12/18/2008  11:23 AM
Posted by Elite:

I just wish we got Camby instead of Mobley/Thomas

would u trade D Lee & Malik for Camby right now if u could?
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12/18/2008  11:30 AM
I don't know about Elite, but I wouldn't take Camby- no way. Regardless of how he is playing (27 boards last night), he is still 35 or so. He can't have that much left in the tank, man. So, no, no way.

On the other hand, maybe for the cap space? Still, I think we can cash in for so much more with Lee.
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12/18/2008  11:32 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Elite:

I just wish we got Camby instead of Mobley/Thomas

would u trade D Lee & Malik for Camby right now if u could?

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12/18/2008  11:34 AM
Posted by Knicksfansince94:

I don't know about Elite, but I wouldn't take Camby- no way. Regardless of how he is playing (27 boards last night), he is still 35 or so. He can't have that much left in the tank, man. So, no, no way.

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12/18/2008  11:39 AM
Posted by Knicksfansince94:

I don't know about Elite, but I wouldn't take Camby- no way. Regardless of how he is playing (27 boards last night), he is still 35 or so. He can't have that much left in the tank, man. So, no, no way.

On the other hand, maybe for the cap space? Still, I think we can cash in for so much more with Lee.

personally i would only trade D Lee for a high lottery pick, but it's very tempting... Camby puts up better numbers all around, he's the best shotblocker out there, can guard guys on the perimeter & in the paint, & would fit this system perfectly... add him to this team & we're playoff bound w/o question... his contract expires after next season so ur options on him remain wide open til next year's trading deadline... come to think of it, i think i might actually make that trade to be honest... maybe LA would throw Mardy back to us, we could use some depth at the G position & he's definitely better than Robersuck.
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12/18/2008  11:47 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Knicksfansince94:

I don't know about Elite, but I wouldn't take Camby- no way. Regardless of how he is playing (27 boards last night), he is still 35 or so. He can't have that much left in the tank, man. So, no, no way.

On the other hand, maybe for the cap space? Still, I think we can cash in for so much more with Lee.

personally i would only trade D Lee for a high lottery pick, but it's very tempting... Camby puts up better numbers all around, he's the best shotblocker out there, can guard guys on the perimeter & in the paint, & would fit this system perfectly... add him to this team & we're playoff bound w/o question... his contract expires after next season so ur options on him remain wide open til next year's trading deadline... come to think of it, i think i might actually make that trade to be honest... maybe LA would throw Mardy back to us, we could use some depth at the G position & he's definitely better than Robersuck.

Why would you trade somebody who is just barely hitting the prime of his career, for someone that is leaving it?
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12/18/2008  11:52 AM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Knicksfansince94:

I don't know about Elite, but I wouldn't take Camby- no way. Regardless of how he is playing (27 boards last night), he is still 35 or so. He can't have that much left in the tank, man. So, no, no way.

On the other hand, maybe for the cap space? Still, I think we can cash in for so much more with Lee.

personally i would only trade D Lee for a high lottery pick, but it's very tempting... Camby puts up better numbers all around, he's the best shotblocker out there, can guard guys on the perimeter & in the paint, & would fit this system perfectly... add him to this team & we're playoff bound w/o question... his contract expires after next season so ur options on him remain wide open til next year's trading deadline... come to think of it, i think i might actually make that trade to be honest... maybe LA would throw Mardy back to us, we could use some depth at the G position & he's definitely better than Robersuck.

Why would you trade somebody who is just barely hitting the prime of his career, for someone that is leaving it?

because i think D Lee is gone from this team after this season via trade regardless... like i said i would much prefer to trade him for a high lottery pick if i can but u can't deny that Camby's just simply a much better player than D Lee is... ur talking about a 1st team All NBA defender here who would change the outlook of this team this year & next w/o question for the better... if u guys are concerned about having this team be playing winning basketball for the next 2 years to appeal to potential FA's, then it's a trade u probably should look to make... plus it helps the cap situation in 2010 besides.
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12/18/2008  1:02 PM
Sure. Trade Lee. Sign Camby. And watch him sit on the IR for 20-30 games over the next two seasons. Why don't we sign Zo Mourning while we're at it? That's what I'd like to see, a team full of broken-down vets at the tail end of their careers.

Did watching Zbo and Crawfulord teach you nothing about trading for stats?

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12/18/2008  1:27 PM
LOL @ u comparing Camby's stats to empty production... watch him play a few games w.the Clips & tell me if he doesn't have a positive impact.
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12/18/2008  2:09 PM
David Lee does NOT give you empty production.

Give me Camby (RIGHT NOW) over Lee though. Just for now. I'll take Lee back when Camby is done though.
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12/18/2008  2:19 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

David Lee does NOT give you empty production.

Give me Camby (RIGHT NOW) over Lee though. Just for now. I'll take Lee back when Camby is done though.

when did i say D Lee gives empty production? i was referring to his Jamal & Zach stats reference.
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12/18/2008  2:48 PM
Again, Zach would have the value you claim IF his attitude wasn't garbage, if he wasn't in legal trouble almost every year or if he was an inch or two taller. None of these are true, which is why we were able to get him in the first place. I think Zach can make a big impact on teams, but there's other factors, and Zach is generally perceived as both high reward and high risk. Teams only pay top $$ in trade when there's high reward with low risk.
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