Not to be confused with those rat bastid Knicks

Briggs - what is a "pure" Knick?

Posted by misterearl:

Not to be confused with those rat bastid Knicks

Briggs - what is a "pure" Knick?

I'm sure he means "homegrown" (i.e. they've never worn another uni in their pro career), but you knew that

If Walsh can wave his magic wand and make the "Knicks I won't Miss", "The Rat Bastid Knicks" and the "Comic Relief Knicks" disappear - we might have something.

I think we see Curry and JJ gone eventually and Lee, Nate and Duhon all resigned.

Posted by King1:

Someone help me out. All I ever see on this board is Lee is a horrible offensive player on this board with no skill. Wilson Chandler is an all star in the making and is a offensive dynamo. They are both averaging 14.3 points per game and Lee is shooting 55% to Wilson 43. Wilson shoots 31% from the three which is below average. Wilson needs someone to get him shots most of the time. Since Zach left Lee is getting 17 points a game or even more. What other players in the league with no offensive skills is doing that. I would much rather know every night I am getting 14 points on 10 shots than getting 8 points or 28 from Chandler. I know the argument is going to be Chandler is a second year player. Lee averaged a double-double his second year.

I am sorry but you are in denial as much as I like Lee. Chandler now needs someone to get him shots. What the hell are you watching, in most cases Chandler is forced to take his man off the dribble to create his own shots. Lee can't take anyone off the dribble. Lee is limited in his outside shots. You don't include the fact that Chandler is asked to take 3 pointers by his coach and his teammates. How many has Lee taken this year? Or in his career so far? Lee is a hustle player with a good motor but while you are throwing roses at Lee for his defense of Bynum and Shaq, you left out the fact that D'Antoni doesn't even pretend to mess around with the fact that Chandler is his best defender. The guy now guards the best offensive player night in and night out. From D Wade, Pierce, KG and Kobe and everyone in between. No pick and rolls and no big scoring from Lee. By definition that is a product of needing someone else. Barkley was dead on about Lee, he finishes nicely but he is getting the ball in the middle of the lane. That's great. Hell Eddy Curry can put up 40 points if he had Duhon to pick and roll with.

Posted by TMS:

i think Lee is our best finisher at the basket by far... his ability to use both hands equally well & his amazing springs gives him the ability to get up quickly off the court w/o having to pause to gather himself & give defenders a chance to block his putback attempts... his midrange jumper is still very shaky but he's been knocking them down better as the season goes along, & IMO he's a terrific pick & roll offensive player because he takes terrific angles cutting into the lane, sets good picks & has awesome hands to catch passes that are thrown to him & the ability to finish like i touched on... he's not as polished offensively as Chandler or Big Al but he brings those other intangibles that add a nice element to this team offensively.

That's why pick and roll offenses by the big man is very deceptive. Tyson Chandler went from an inept offensive player in Chicago to a double/double guy himself in New Orleans. Let see what changed. Oh that Chris Paul guy. The world gets a lot easier if you aren't asked to do to much. Don't worry about posting up or taking your man off the dribble.

Posted by TMS:

just because u'r big doesn't mean u can play well in a pick & roll offensive set... u really think Jared Jefferies would be as effective as D Lee cutting to the lane & finishing off the pick & roll w/Duhon, CP3, Stockton or any other PG? i highly doubt it... otherwise Felton Spencer woulda been an Allstar.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-17-2008 6:11 PM]

I glad you brought up Jeffries because he has look better on offense, why because he was running pick and roll with Duhon. No not effective as Lee but the fact that Jeffries is able to score at the rim is the product of pick and roll. Check on Spencer career away from Utah. Take a look at Malone early career points and the knock on him was that he was a product of pick and roll. Teams began to play against the pick and roll which forced Malone to develop a very consistent outside jumper. Pick and roll makes the world easy for guys who can't naturally score on their own. I am not getting on Lee because that's his role in this offense but I am not fooled by it.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 12-17-2008 9:38 PM]

Posted by King1:

Tyson Chandler is getting 8 points a game vs Lee 14 points a game. I am trying to remember when JJ has caught the ball didnt walk and finished a pick and roll. Last night Lee scored most of his points on jumpers and working in the post.

David West also benefits from Chris Paul pick and roll. Also, you won't find Bryon Scott teaching 7 seconds or less offense. He uses the majority of the shot clock to set up his half court offense. Check out Jeffries 1st game this season where he was able to be effective in the pick and roll. I hate Jeffries but I can give him credit for that game.

I'm starting to think keeping all four and one prime time UFA and a mid-level talent that played center would be nice... like LBJ + Camby (or a younger Camby-like alternative)

Man , this is really a tough one. Like you guys said each one guy brings something unique so neither is redundunt. I am thinking whoever will be willing to take a paycut for the sake of making the team better is who i'd want to keep the most.