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2010 - Scrap it all for 2 big names or keep most intact and only go for the 1 difference maker??
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nyk4ever
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12/17/2008  8:29 AM
Hey Finest.. sorry I didn't get to post sooner, been so busy with work and all.

I wouldn't mind the idea of signing Lee, Nate and whoever longterm, but I'm just not sure it would be enough if we brought in a LeBron type to actually win a championship - we'd have to score big in this years draft with a big man for that to work out, in my opinion. I love Lee, but he's the best big man we have right now and I don't think you are winning a championship with Lee as your best big man. I could see Lee being one of the starting big men on a championship team, but I think he's best suited to come off the bench. He'd have to be starting next to a real good center for that to work I believe.

Nate, he can work, but as a 6th man. I don't want to pay him anymore than a 6th man.

For these reasons is why I would go after the LeBron/Bosh combo if that is at all feasible, or the Wade/Bosh combo.

As I said though, that can all change if we luck out and get a top big man in the draft somehow someway, then I would be more inclined to sign Lee and Nate back.
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12/17/2008  9:20 AM
Forget Lebron

Add a 6'11 center to this young mix. I don't care whether it;s the best big man in the draft or a free agent. The Knicks, under D'Antoni, are already exhibiting a toughness that you don't want to trade away for the sake of conversation - or just looking smarter than the next guy.

Walsh must decide whether the improvement on the floor is something to build on - or tear down. You cannot do both. As a deliberate front office man, Walsh is looking at the position of center as the most critical upgrade.

With Jeffries problemmatic leg (and game) Walsh must be looking at center options to provide some relief and desperately needed size.

2010 is a long, long. long way away. By that time Knicks General Manager Chris Mullin will have inherited a compelling band of brothers.

It will be his call.



[Edited by - misterearl on 12-17-2008 09:22 AM]
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12/17/2008  9:44 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Forget Lebron

Add a 6'11 center to this young mix. I don't care whether it;s the best big man in the draft or a free agent. The Knicks, under D'Antoni, are already exhibiting a toughness that you don't want to trade away for the sake of conversation - or just looking smarter than the next guy.

Walsh must decide whether the improvement on the floor is something to build on - or tear down. You cannot do both. As a deliberate front office man, Walsh is looking at the position of center as the most critical upgrade.

With Jeffries problemmatic leg (and game) Walsh must be looking at center options to provide some relief and desperately needed size.

2010 is a long, long. long way away. By that time Knicks General Manager Chris Mullin will have inherited a compelling band of brothers.

It will be his call.



[Edited by - misterearl on 12-17-2008 09:22 AM]

It bothers me that I have enjoyed your recent posting.
I just hope that people will like me
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12/17/2008  9:53 AM
bippity - it's an acquired taste.

It bothers me that Nate is not a foot taller but whadyagunnado?

Don't hate the poster - hate the fact we don't have Marcus Camby to guard the rack
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12/17/2008  10:09 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by misterearl:

Forget Lebron

Add a 6'11 center to this young mix. I don't care whether it;s the best big man in the draft or a free agent. The Knicks, under D'Antoni, are already exhibiting a toughness that you don't want to trade away for the sake of conversation - or just looking smarter than the next guy.

Walsh must decide whether the improvement on the floor is something to build on - or tear down. You cannot do both. As a deliberate front office man, Walsh is looking at the position of center as the most critical upgrade.

With Jeffries problemmatic leg (and game) Walsh must be looking at center options to provide some relief and desperately needed size.

2010 is a long, long. long way away. By that time Knicks General Manager Chris Mullin will have inherited a compelling band of brothers.

It will be his call.



[Edited by - misterearl on 12-17-2008 09:22 AM]

It bothers me that I have enjoyed your recent posting.

Dont you're taste buds change every 7 years?

Don't worry Bip, this is the same way

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12/17/2008  10:40 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by misterearl:

Forget Lebron

Add a 6'11 center to this young mix. I don't care whether it;s the best big man in the draft or a free agent. The Knicks, under D'Antoni, are already exhibiting a toughness that you don't want to trade away for the sake of conversation - or just looking smarter than the next guy.

Walsh must decide whether the improvement on the floor is something to build on - or tear down. You cannot do both. As a deliberate front office man, Walsh is looking at the position of center as the most critical upgrade.

With Jeffries problemmatic leg (and game) Walsh must be looking at center options to provide some relief and desperately needed size.

2010 is a long, long. long way away. By that time Knicks General Manager Chris Mullin will have inherited a compelling band of brothers.

It will be his call.



[Edited by - misterearl on 12-17-2008 09:22 AM]

It bothers me that I have enjoyed your recent posting.

Dont you're taste buds change every 7 years?

Don't worry Bip, this is the same way


So are you saying that I'm going to like his posting for the next 7 years?...........I'd rather die.
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12/17/2008  10:51 AM
bippity - LOL

yo, hold UP... whachoo think this is, some freakin' popularity contest?
Last time I checked, I didn't see any grand prize advertised for the poster with the biggest brain either. It is just a place to trade opinion - and avoid Marc Berman and Mitch Lawrence.

You think I give a ratt's azz whether you "like" my random ramblings or ruminations over my beloved basketball team?

Get real son. (Go Knicks)





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12/17/2008  10:57 AM
Posted by misterearl:

bippity - LOL

yo, hold UP... whachoo think this is, some freakin' popularity contest?
Last time I checked, I didn't see any grand prize advertised for the poster with the biggest brain either. It is just a place to trade opinion - and avoid Marc Berman and Mitch Lawrence.

You think I give a ratt's azz whether you "like" my random ramblings or ruminations over my beloved basketball team?

Get real son. (Go Knicks)



Phew!! this is more like it. I hated this post.

On a side note: We really should have a prize for the poster with the biggest brain. I would dominate that aworde
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12/17/2008  10:58 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Forget Lebron

Add a 6'11 center to this young mix. I don't care whether it;s the best big man in the draft or a free agent. The Knicks, under D'Antoni, are already exhibiting a toughness that you don't want to trade away for the sake of conversation - or just looking smarter than the next guy.

Walsh must decide whether the improvement on the floor is something to build on - or tear down. You cannot do both. As a deliberate front office man, Walsh is looking at the position of center as the most critical upgrade.

With Jeffries problemmatic leg (and game) Walsh must be looking at center options to provide some relief and desperately needed size.

2010 is a long, long. long way away. By that time Knicks General Manager Chris Mullin will have inherited a compelling band of brothers.

It will be his call.



[Edited by - misterearl on 12-17-2008 09:22 AM]


Unbelievably, I'm with you earl. We have to stop with the saviour principle.
It's great that we can be a player in the Lebron sweepstakes, but its far from certain.
All I've wanted was a bunch of guys that play hard and effectively with reasonable contracts
that affords the GM flexibility in making moves that make sense. For too long we've been
stuck with "immovable" contracts. Finally, we're in a place where other GMs won't laugh
or hang up the phone when our GM calls.

As you say 2010 is a LONG way away. I, for one, am not going to sit here wasting my time
for the next TWO YEARS having my expectations up, hoping and praying that we land Lebron.
Hell, he might blow out a knee, a la Bernard King before then.
I'm hoping that the next trade gets us a little better, and the one after that, the same,
and enjoy some good basketball.
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12/17/2008  11:04 AM
I think the team is being evaluated. I think Donnie and Mike made that clear in the offseason. They are trying to build a team that can win today while also evaluating thier future. It's not an easy thing. We would hate to lose some of these guys. As the season goes on and the team improves Donnie will have to decide if letting some valuable pieces go in order to secure a couple big name free-agents is worth it. Or if one leader is enough to pull this group to the next level. As Earl says it's a long way off and anything can happen. You may get lucky and acquire the next big star center/PF in the draft or free agency or trade. Someone could go down to serious injury. Gallinari could be a star. Gallinari could be a bumb who retires young. Guys may want to leave even though we may want to sign them. We may trade someone at the wrong time and shatter team confidence. Some core players could be traded for a great player who inspires like Al and Duhon have. The young guys could become an inspiration by battling and winning. They may carry their confidence into next year and we could become the destination of choice for all free-agents. TT could realize his potential and carry us to multiple titles. Eddie Curry could do the same. Anythign can happen in 2 years.
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12/17/2008  11:11 AM
Panos - the beauty of Donnie Walsh's master stroke with Randolph and Crawford is that he not only made the Knicks a more cohesive team on the court, he changed the attitude. Nate no longer needs to worry about getting a towel in the face from Zach. No more listening to Crawford's articulately rehearsed answers that contradict his play.

Knicks "Saviors" have included Spencer Haywood, Bob McAdoo, George McGinnis (with penalties for tampering), Allan Houston ("$100M are you crazy?") and even Paul Westphal.
I'm not wasting one second waiting to see or hear what Lebron will do in two years and guess what - neither is he.

If there is anything we know about the Knicks is that in two years ANYTHING can happen.

That is why we love them so.
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12/17/2008  11:12 AM
Dammit bippity, did you and I just say the same thing?

dammit. Stay away from me.
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12/17/2008  12:05 PM
It's sickening
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12/17/2008  12:12 PM
Poor guys







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12/17/2008  1:25 PM
Sheesh

(Is the coast clear?)

(whispering to everyone else but bippity) psst.. okay, here's how it could go:

1. Draft "Crap Shoot" Pick of The Week: 6'10 245 Cole Aldrich (.58 from the field 14/10 and a juicy 2.7 blocks per game) looks handsome enough. Kansas has great basketball tradition.

2. "Bring me the head of Keith Butler!" Walsh signs Summer League project Keith Butler, a 7-1, 255 from DePaul and assigns Herb Williams as his personal mental fitness guru.

(Butler sat out 2005 after transferring from Temple where he was a three-year starter and ranked among the Atlantic 10 Conference leaders in blocked shots each season. In his 92-game collegiate career, Butler averaged 4.2 points, 5.2 rebounds and 1.6 blocks)

3. Bonus points: Danilo Gallinari heals fully and has a Summer League to get his confidence. He slides between 2 and 3 spots gracefully and gives D'Antoni another crayon to play with.

Forget Lebron

[Edited by - misterearl on 12-17-2008 1:25 PM]
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12/17/2008  1:32 PM
^ Earl, let's not forget LeBron. Knicks got some players but (for the most part) you need a super star to get you to the trophy.
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12/17/2008  2:01 PM
Two Years Is a Long Time To Be Engaged To Anybody

martin - Lebron not only brings the added uber-hype (which will be a huge distraction) fueled by Madison Avenue, but he brings the EXPECTATION of an instant championship. In New York, the instant he falls short of that goal in any way (on or off the court) it is a qualified disaster. Sure, the place will be sold out but if you think tickets were pricey during the Riley era - you ain't seen nothin' to what it will cost to see Wise in orange and blue.

I want a parade down Broadway as much as the next dude, but there are other, more calculated, routes that Walsh can pursue.

Is Lebron really worth all the additional drama, pressure and uncertain deference from the other four guys?

Besides, if Lebron ain't thinking about NY - I ain't thinking about him

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12/17/2008  2:05 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Two Years Is a Long Time To Be Engaged To Anybody

martin - Lebron not only brings the added uber-hype (which will be a huge distraction) fueled by Madison Avenue, but he brings the EXPECTATION of an instant championship. In New York, the instant he falls short of that goal in any way (on or off the court) it is a qualified disaster. Sure, the place will be sold out but if you think tickets were pricey during the Riley era - you ain't seen nothin' to what it will cost to see Wise in orange and blue.

I want a parade down Broadway as much as the next dude, but there are other, more calculated, routes that Walsh can pursue.

Is Lebron really worth all the additional drama, pressure and uncertain deference from the other four guys?

Besides, if Lebron ain't thinking about NY - I ain't thinking about him

That's OK too. Walsh is doing all the thinking for the both of us.
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12/17/2008  3:12 PM
Well we have seen first hand Walsh evaluation of talent. His last 7 drafts he made the call. Gallinari, Granger, David Harrison, no pick in the best draft ever, Fred Jones, no draft pick in 2001 and Primor Brezec. Are we supposed to have all this faith that Walsh is a great evaluator of talent?
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12/17/2008  3:26 PM
Posted by King1:

Well we have seen first hand Walsh evaluation of talent. His last 7 drafts he made the call. Gallinari, Granger, David Harrison, no pick in the best draft ever, Fred Jones, no draft pick in 2001 and Primor Brezec. Are we supposed to have all this faith that Walsh is a great evaluator of talent?

Who did he pass on in those drafts? I'm serious, I have no idea and I don't think you can judge all his picks without the rest of the context. Who did he pass on? What draft position did he have? What were his roster needs at the time? Not saying the man is perfect, just saying that your criticism lacks a little substance.
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