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King1
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12/13/2008  5:44 PM
I think if the Knicks could get Garcia they should but it wont happen. I would guess Chicago, Portland, Denver, Cha
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12/13/2008  5:45 PM
charlotte are teams that would be very interested in Lee. I would also throw Phoenix in the mix but trading Diaw they have nothing to offer
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12/13/2008  6:11 PM
Posted by King1:

For you to trade a 14-10 guy that doesnt needs shots for a unproven playeers for is bad business. Walsh always has waited on things and this one is going to bite him in the butt. It is great to salary dump a Zach for nothing but when you salary dump a guy you cpould have signed for 7-8 million and get nothing in return is not the way to build a team

you are assuming Walsh is going to salary dump Lee for nothing? That's absurd.
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12/13/2008  6:13 PM
You know what trade does work, but this hinges on Eddy Curry playing. Eddy Curry and J Jeffries to Memphis for Darko Milicic and Marko Jaric. We get back 7.6 mil on Jaric's contract in 2010-11 but we move out 18.2 mil.

I think Marco could thrive in MDA's system and we might be able to move him in 2010, who knows. He had 8 pts and 4 assists in Minn last year. And Darko gives us at least ONE shot blocker. And both are persona non grata in Memphis.
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12/13/2008  6:23 PM
You mention Darko- that's a player that I would love to see play for us, under D'Antoni. He is a shot blocker like we haven't seen since the Camby days. Under D'Antoni, he can get his offensive confidence back. He can be a piece to our championship puzzle. This kid is only 23 or 24, which is one or two years younger than PEjr, all while providing something that we haven't hand in a decade and something that PE would never provide. Hype this guy up. Keep him from going home. We need, want, crave Darko. D'Antoni: get his career back, put some life into him, because I know it would work out.

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12/13/2008  6:37 PM
Lee & Curry for Brad Miller & SAC's 1st round pick top 3 protected... i'd make that deal.
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12/13/2008  6:39 PM
Martin what do you think you can get for Lee in a trade. You can get a late first, take on salary or a guy like Kleiza that will be a RFA also
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12/13/2008  6:59 PM
Posted by King1:

Martin what do you think you can get for Lee in a trade. You can get a late first, take on salary or a guy like Kleiza that will be a RFA also

No idea what you can get for Lee.

On one hand you are arguing that Lee is a double-double starter and then you say above that he should be traded for essentially a first rounder (if you consider Kleiza is on the same contract as Lee and assume he not be resigned or be lost by Walsh).
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12/13/2008  7:02 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by King1:

Martin what do you think you can get for Lee in a trade. You can get a late first, take on salary or a guy like Kleiza that will be a RFA also

No idea what you can get for Lee.

On one hand you are arguing that Lee is a double-double starter and then you say above that he should be traded for essentially a first rounder (if you consider Kleiza is on the same contract as Lee and assume he not be resigned or be lost by Walsh).

they almost got the number 5 overall pick in the draft for lee last year, before he was showing he could be a starter or put up 14ppg. they can get a top ten pick for him at the draft.

i know king is worried about his boy's financial security, but i'm sure lee will be fine.
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12/13/2008  10:30 PM
I want something awesome for Lee. And I want to trade him.

I am confident that Walsh can get us a great deal! A shot blocking center would be on top of my wish list!
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12/14/2008  1:49 PM
I like the sound of a Memphis deal, but they wouldn't take curry and Jeffries. Maybe one of them and Malik.
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12/14/2008  2:01 PM
Malik Rose and Nate Robinson to Minnesota for Mike Miller and a 2nd rd pick

or

Malik Rose and that cash exemption to Minnesota for Rashad McCants and Brian Cardinal

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12/14/2008  2:41 PM
Why trade Lee? What he does is not easy to replace. He rebounds and throws quick outlet passes! This is what makes the MDA machine go.

Im not saying he is a superstar, but you need guys like this.

Varajao on Cavs is that kind of player. Rodman, etc.
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12/14/2008  2:50 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Why trade Lee? What he does is not easy to replace. He rebounds and throws quick outlet passes! This is what makes the MDA machine go.

Im not saying he is a superstar, but you need guys like this.

Varajao on Cavs is that kind of player. Rodman, etc.


Completely off topic... but Nalod spelled backwards is Dolan... hahaha. That is too funny, I guess the implication is that James Dolan is ass backwards?
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12/14/2008  4:12 PM
I'll give you a trade. I read Denver is looking for another big man. They're already committed to close to 64 mil in contracts for 2010-11. SO they're not in the FA hunt.

So...... Eddy Curry for Steven Hunter and Chucky Atkins. We get a shot blocker and a serviceable PG. Denver McDonalds never go out of business. Everyone wins.
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12/14/2008  4:26 PM
Read a little blurb in this morning's Newsday that multiple sorces have come out and said that the Nuggets have reached out to Donnie and offered Linas Kleiza for Lee and Donnie's refused.
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12/14/2008  4:39 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Lee and Jeffries for Bobby Jackson and Donte Greene works. Greene makes next to nothing for this year and the next three years and could be a decent piece to have around when LeBron and Bosh come over.

Regarding a trade with Sacramento, we're not getting Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, Kevin Martin or Beno Udrih, their starting PG. I doubt we could get Donte Greene (they dealt Ron Artest to get this kid) and I don't want John Salmons or Quincy Douby. For me that leaves an Eddy Curry for Brad Miller swap (unlikely) or Francisco Garcia and 'The Landlord' Shelden Williams for David Lee trade possibility that actually makes a lot of sense.

Garcia just re-uped to a modest 4 yr. $23.2 mil. dollar deal starting next year (lowest yr. happens to be 2010/11 at only $5.5 million btw) with a team option for a 5th yr. at $6.4 million. He's a young soon-to-be 27 year old (DOB: 12/31/81) veteran that has EVERYTHING you'd want in a 2 guard - he can shoot, handle and pass it well, has enough versatility to play the 1, 2 & the 3 well and has good height at 6'7" with long arms that really helps make him a factor on the defensive end at times. He'd be THE PERFECT Mike D'Antoni role player. Ironically, Garcia, who's from the Bronx, had his best game against D'Antoni's Suns back in 11/2007 filling in for a then injuried Mike Bibby at the point. Playing the MDA uptempo style in that game he torched the Suns for 31 pts. in 35 minutes. The following month, he lit Phoenix up agains for 30 pts... As for Shelden Williams, you bring him in with the idea that he could possibly regain the role he served at Duke not too long ago where he was a fierce, intimidating presence underneath the hoop on both ends of the court. He might never be a star but there's no reason in my mind why he can't be a factor in this league a-la Jason Maxiell/Paul Millsap or better yet Dale Davis/Antonio Davis back in the day with an increased role and more responsibility. Has more height and bulk than Lee that would make him a better candidate to play the big man enforcer role that this team currently lacks (may not be as talented or mobile but he's built more to play the center position than David Lee is). He'll be up for a contract soon, but in all likelyhood, he should get less than what Jason Maxiell just got (4 yrs., $20 mil.) because the PT & the numbers just aren't there to back him up right now. And if he doesn't work out, you cut him. No harm, no foul. Like I've been saying, there will be a nice assortment of PF types in the 2nd round alone next summer. Plus, taken on it's own, Garcia and Lee are fairly even value-wise in my estimation anyway. That's how highly I think of Garcia.

For all those living in la-la land out there that think we're getting a lottery pick or a proven all-star for David Lee, dream on. I can't see that - not when the rest of the league knows damn well that we're still trying to clear cap space & that we might not be willing to bring Lee back at his price. If that's the case, you gotta hope we'd be able to find a sensible trade like this - Garcia/Williams is excellent value for David Lee. I'm looking forward to watching both players tonight - Garcia's back from the calf injury and playing well - he just had 21 pts. against the Lakers in the Kings' surprising 113-101 victory over LA on 12/09...


[Edited by - finestrg on 12-13-2008 4:43 PM]


I'm all over Francisco Garcia in this system --- I say D-Lee for Thompson and Garcia. That's a fair deal.
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12/14/2008  4:46 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Why trade Lee? What he does is not easy to replace. He rebounds and throws quick outlet passes! This is what makes the MDA machine go.

Im not saying he is a superstar, but you need guys like this.

Varajao on Cavs is that kind of player. Rodman, etc.

I totally completely super agree Nalod.
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12/14/2008  4:48 PM
C'mon now. Not easy to do? To rebound and throw outlet passes? There's a lost of guys who aren't even in the league who can do that. I know Lee is a good role player and he is a great rebounder but there is no way he deserves to get the money he will command.
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12/14/2008  4:57 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

C'mon now. Not easy to do? To rebound and throw outlet passes? There's a lost of guys who aren't even in the league who can do that. I know Lee is a good role player and he is a great rebounder but there is no way he deserves to get the money he will command.

How come no one else is doing it? Why is this guy one of the best rebounders in the league when he's not injured or buried? Why is he putting up monster rebounding numbers and no one else is on the team? Why does he have zero plays run for him yet still scores in double figures? Why is he one of the best offensive rebounders in the game? Why did he win MVP of the rookie-sophomore game a few years ago?

It's so weird to me how many people on this board want to trade away 14 pts, 10 rbds, 2 assts, a great guy, a hustle player, and a leader in the locker room and on the floor. I am fairly certain he will accept a 6 year 60 million dollar deal that starts at the lowest number possible starting in 2010. Possibly only 7.5 against the cap then. Still allowing us to sign 2 guys to Maxes, if Curry and Chandler are gone. But this guy is a winner plain and simple. To move him just as a salary dump or for some scrubs, (like Garcia), is just ridiculous to me.
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