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12/12/2008  3:00 PM
I hate it so much when I see an oposing player shoot and miss and you see the best positioned knick for a rebound is TT. You expect him to jump and try hard but he just stays there and watches the ball go out of bounds or an oposing player come out of nowhere to grab it. I hate it so much because he just has to want it. But that's just how he is and since he is a rental I don't care much. I hope he will get traded at some point to a team wanting bench depth. If not, it doesn't matter. But I do want him to have less and less minutes as the roster improves.
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12/12/2008  3:32 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Rookie:
Posted by kam77:

Not to mention the guys making excuses for Tim.

-you cant expect everyone to have the Kevin Garnett type hunger and passion for basketball (Elite)

- Tim is just a different kind of cat (Misterearl)

And those who were just born yesterday

-Can you site any credible evidence as to his laziness and lack of effort? (Rookie)

Some people just like to stir the pot for no good reason.


Did you say something rook?

I mean you're asking for evidence. Thats an insult to me. Friggin look at the guy when he plays. He doesn't play hard.


Yeah, i suppose we should have gotten Lebron or Kobe for Randolf and Collins
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12/12/2008  4:25 PM
i was talking about eddy curry when i was talkin abotu the garnett comparison.... but TT does not play hard often i never said he did.. my argument was not that he played hard but just that you have to accept him as the player he is at this point in his career hes not gunna change
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12/12/2008  4:46 PM
Posted by Rookie:


Yeah, i suppose we should have gotten Lebron or Kobe for Randolf and Collins

How about the Clipper trade where we would've gotten straight cap relief and a trade exception? Donnie was hung up on "getting a player" back. Well... this is what we got. I would've taken the trade exception. That alone could've brought back some draft picks.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/12/2008  4:48 PM
TT works harder than eddy curry at least

That's the exact low standards I'm talking about.
I don't think you will find much on this site that will deny tim loafs every once in a while, nor will you find posters who say Tim tries and works hard all the time.

Martin, it's not once in awhile. It's ALL the time. Everybody has a lazy moment now and then and that's human nature. TT is not everybody. Pay attention to him when he's getting back on defense on the weak or strong side. Watch him direct his teammates to pick up his man because he's not hustling back and watch how that alone can make the defense collapse. Watch when he finally DOES get back, lose his focus. It happens almost all the time. I can count on my left hand, the number of times I've seen him SPRINT. It's why he hasn't gotton so many minutes so far. And the sad thing is that I pay attention to that the most, because it is so glaring to me.
do you enjoy watching the team? if the answer is yes, then everything else doesn't really matter (standards, 2010 plan, salary cap, coaching, etc). if the answer is no, then it's time to take a break or move on.

DJ, I enjoy watching the team A LOT more this season. They look ugly at times, but I think they've done great considering the circumstances. However, I can't ignore lack of effort, and so long as TT is on the court, I'm gonna bitch about it.
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12/12/2008  4:52 PM
One question should end all of this Tim Thomas Lazy stuff.
Are you at work right now but posting on the knicks message board????

I don't like that he doesn't play every play like it's his last but who in the NBA does?? Not many. Back to the question if you are not working very hard at your job every minute of the day don't judge anyone else for not doing what you do every day.
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12/12/2008  4:56 PM
Posted by kam77:
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Yeah, i suppose we should have gotten Lebron or Kobe for Randolf and Collins

How about the Clipper trade where we would've gotten straight cap relief and a trade exception? Donnie was hung up on "getting a player" back. Well... this is what we got. I would've taken the trade exception. That alone could've brought back some draft picks.

Can you blame him for not wanting to totally suck until 2010. I mean come on, we've looked competitive against some decent teams. A little consistency and some more wins will come. TT isn't the best, but he ain't the worst either. I watched a Phoenix game the other night and you didn't see Stoudemire hustling it down court. There was one possesion where the other team had a fast break and missed the lay-up. They re-set and played a 5 on 3 as Nash and Stoudemire never even came into the picture or crossed the half court line. Phoenix eventually lost that game by a bucket. It's hard to tell a millionare what to do I guess. Either he wants it real bad or he doesn't. Looks like MDA is threatening him with more minutes
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12/12/2008  4:59 PM
We should all blame him. That exception could've been worth draft picks. Those draft picks could've helped move Curry or Jeffries.

We could've helped our 2010 position dramatically but we chose to play for 2008 instead.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/12/2008  5:50 PM
It had been reported after the inital Clipper trade fell through and the Memphis trade fell through that Walsh was more than open to talk about the Memphis trade but REFUSED to talk about the Clipper deal - getting very upset - saying something like "Mike Dunleavey is my friend and I wont talk about it."

After some time it came out that the original trade did indeed have the clippers wanting us to send 3M to cover some of Zach's deferred payments and a 1st round pick to compensate for that as well.

What had then been reported, although never largely, and I wish I had a link to both the LA area and NY area articles was: The Clippers eventually pulled off their demand for the 1st round pick - yet - somehow - Walsh was never informed.

Now, what "was never informed" means I don't know. Did Grunwald get a call but never talk to Donnie? Where was the miscommunication?

Regardless, we could have had the trade exception and 2nd round pick for Zachass and 3M cash.

It didn't happen. We now got TT instead.

Now, some need a Shandon Contracterson to hate, and I understand that, but Timmy has done what's asked of him, he loves to be a Knick, he's playing within the team concept, and he's filling in as a player that is helping us remain competative.

Now, when he came out of High School, he was supposed to be in the potential of a Kevin Garnett. Well, guess what, he never was, and never will be but people still crap on him for never being that. He is who he is not what people want him to be. Everyone has their mental deficiencies and Tim has his.

Bottom line is he's playing well for Tim Thomas mind you not this insane 10+ year old vision of what everyone thinks he SHOULD be - he is in the 2010 plan, and in the meantime he's helping the team out.

What the uproar is I'll never know.

For the record, Zach and Crawford are two of the most overrated inefficient and1 selfish ballhogging lowIQ non-team-oriented idiots I've ever seen play in a Knick uniform.

GOOD RIDDANCE.

I'm quite fine with Harrington, Tim Thomas, the emergence of Duhon and Lee in the wake of the trades that jettisoned those two idiot chuckers, and our newfound 2010 potential future.

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12/12/2008  6:32 PM
Posted by Rookie:

Can you site any credible evidence as to his laziness and lack of effort?

watching him play is enough evidence.
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12/12/2008  6:34 PM
Posted by misterearl:

You don't like Tim Thomas - we get it.

You want to talk standards? When was the last time you heard a growing cheer for the pass that led to the assist, as it was in The Garden "back in the day"?

The standards have not changed.

The basketball IQ of the NY fans (and beat writers) has dropped.

yet another example of your subtle little digs at other posters who don't necessarily agree w/ur point of view... keep playing the innocent act whenever u'r called out for posts like these earl.
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12/12/2008  6:52 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Rookie:

Can you site any credible evidence as to his laziness and lack of effort?

watching him play is enough evidence.

I can remember the early seventies watching Yankees games with my Grandfather. It wouldn't take long before he'd throw his hands up in the air and walk out of the room yelling "BUMS, THEY'RE ALL BUMS!!!" He just couldn't watch them play, but he would always listen to the games on the radio. He would tell me stories of how in his day, ballplayers played for the love of the game. I guess you could say that the nature of professional sports died with the advent of the multi million dollar contract.
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12/12/2008  7:00 PM
i will always root for Tiny Tim because he's wearing the Knicks' uniform no matter how much i can't stand the way he approaches the game.
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12/12/2008  7:18 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by misterearl:

You don't like Tim Thomas - we get it.

You want to talk standards? When was the last time you heard a growing cheer for the pass that led to the assist, as it was in The Garden "back in the day"?

The standards have not changed.

The basketball IQ of the NY fans (and beat writers) has dropped.

yet another example of your subtle little digs at other posters who don't necessarily agree w/ur point of view... keep playing the innocent act whenever u'r called out for posts like these earl.

TMS - Where on earth do you see a dig at another poster?

If you can't handle an adult conversation without whining, please don't waste my time with trying to twist my words.

I don't need to agree with you and you are not required to agree with me. Grow up.

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12/12/2008  7:25 PM
Posted by misterearl:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by misterearl:

You don't like Tim Thomas - we get it.

You want to talk standards? When was the last time you heard a growing cheer for the pass that led to the assist, as it was in The Garden "back in the day"?

The standards have not changed.

The basketball IQ of the NY fans (and beat writers) has dropped.

yet another example of your subtle little digs at other posters who don't necessarily agree w/ur point of view... keep playing the innocent act whenever u'r called out for posts like these earl.

TMS - Where on earth do you see a dig at another poster?

If you can't handle an adult conversation without whining, please don't waste my time with trying to twist my words.

I don't need to agree with you and you are not required to agree with me. Grow up.

i'll grow up as soon as you stop taking cheap pot shots at other fans who don't agree w/ur point of view... thanks.
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12/12/2008  7:27 PM
*pulls up chair, eats popcorn*

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12/12/2008  7:32 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by misterearl:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by misterearl:

You don't like Tim Thomas - we get it.

You want to talk standards? When was the last time you heard a growing cheer for the pass that led to the assist, as it was in The Garden "back in the day"?

The standards have not changed.

The basketball IQ of the NY fans (and beat writers) has dropped.

yet another example of your subtle little digs at other posters who don't necessarily agree w/ur point of view... keep playing the innocent act whenever u'r called out for posts like these earl.

TMS - Where on earth do you see a dig at another poster?

If you can't handle an adult conversation without whining, please don't waste my time with trying to twist my words.

I don't need to agree with you and you are not required to agree with me. Grow up.

i'll grow up as soon as you stop taking cheap pot shots at other fans who don't agree w/ur point of view... thanks.

Pot calling the kettle black?

Ah, forget it.
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12/12/2008  7:38 PM
GK, i treat others' posts the way they treat mine... & u're the last person on this forum who should be talkin' on this topic so i would suggest u quit while u'r ahead.
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12/12/2008  7:40 PM
"mommy, mommy he hit me!"

GKFv2 - quick question, think back to the times that you and I don't agree, would you consider any single response of mine as a "cheap pot shot"?

If so, it was purely intentional.

Thank you for not being a crybaby.

Oh yeah, Go Knicks

[Edited by - misterearl on 12-12-2008 7:42 PM]
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12/12/2008  7:43 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

We used to celebrate the blue collar workers who busted their arses. We'd give guys like Jefferies a standing ovation, not because of his lack of skill level, but because he's doing everything he possibly can and we appreciated little things like that. Even Chris Duhon, who's so limited yet is playing above his head, hardly gets noticed by the garden crowd b/c he does nothing special in a particular play. We used to love a guy like that.

We used to frown on guys like John Wallace who had such a great offensive package, yet didn't do crap. He'd occasionally post up and make a nice move, or hit a three, and we'd like it, but we'd expect more out of a pro ball player on our team. We wouldn't dare dream of making excuses for a guy like that.

Yet now we have Tim Thomas, a decade later. After 7 full seasons of losing, and not only losing, but getting KILLED and getting worse. Now we're starting to regrow and mend our wounds, but we got Tim Thomas, who's basically the equivalent of John Wallace. Perhaps the laziest basketball player in the league is Tiny Tim, aka Fugazy. 4 years ago, we booed him for his lack of effort. NOW, he's the same exact player, and we're celebrating him b/c he hit's a few 3s and makes a nice post up move every now and then. And what's the excuse for him? It's not in his personality to be a hardworking basketball player.

We're not the same fans we once were. How sad.

u couldn't have said it any better... apparently lack of effort is something to be readily accepted now... seemed like it was a big problem when talking about other players in the past... times have changed i guess.
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