Posted by fishmike:

I dont know man.. your has more factual information but I think I presented the data better.

Moving Curry and Skinny is paramount. Iy you can accomplish that you can resign Lee, Nate and Duhon and still offer two players the max.

Posted by fishmike:

^^thats about right... I think we trade Nate or dont resign him in favor of Duhon.

The shot at 2 max guys is very tough. What you need is one marque guy and another that wants to be here because its NY, etc etc

Posted by martin:

Posted by fishmike:

^^thats about right... I think we trade Nate or dont resign him in favor of Duhon.

The shot at 2 max guys is very tough. What you need is one marque guy and another that wants to be here because its NY, etc etc

I like Nate a lot but think he will prob have to go too. And that means the '09 first rounder gotta be a decent backup PG or a very good SG.

Posted by martin:

Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by martin:

Posted by fishmike:

^^thats about right... I think we trade Nate or dont resign him in favor of Duhon.

The shot at 2 max guys is very tough. What you need is one marque guy and another that wants to be here because its NY, etc etc

I like Nate a lot but think he will prob have to go too. And that means the '09 first rounder gotta be a decent backup PG or a very good SG.

I think the Duhon situation depends entirely on who we draft in 09. If you get Rubio or Brazoban, maybe you let Duhon go? Duhon has an interesting situation though.

Duhon will qualify for an Early Bird exception during the summer of 2010. Basically, he would count as 7.84m against the cap for calculation purposes before signing any FAs unless we renounce our rights, but after signing our free agents, the Knicks could sign him to a contract for 5 years up to the max also. So, assuming Duhon's percieved value is over 7.84m, the Knicks use the Early Bird to keep him after signing LBJ and Bosh, as long as they have cap space over $7.84m.

The math gets tricky for Lee and Nate because they would have full Bird rights if they were FAs with the club in 2010. There is no real loophole to keep those guys as exceptions to the cap, unless they renounced their bird rights this year and then qualified for the Early Bird exception in 2010. A guy like Walsh probably is aware of this, it would be interesting if Lee's agent pointed this out to him.

not sure I understand that last bit.

If Lee and Nate renounced their bird rights this year... what does that mean? What has to happen and what type of 1 year deals do they have to have in place? And if they do renounce and sign 1 year deals, does this mean there is NOT a hold on the cap and we can sign 2 max deals and THEN sign Nate and Lee to whatever we want regardless of the cap?

I am not sure that it makes sense ;)
All I was trying to indicate was that the early bird option isn't available to Lee and Nate because they will have full bird rights and that the early bird exception is a bit more cap friendly than the bird exception is when calculating holds against the cap. So an exception that will allow us to retain Lee and Nate during FA will not be as good as Duhon's, even if we signed them to the qualifying offer.

Posted by TMS:

we need to dump Curry or Fishlips' contract before 2010 & we can't just sign D Lee & Nate to extensions w/o thought of how it will effect our chances of signing 2 bignames in 2010... everything else will take care of itself, but we need to keep being proactive & making moves to give ourselves flexibility in 2010... that should be the main focus right now along w/drafting the right prospect this year.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

we need to dump Curry or Fishlips' contract before 2010 & we can't just sign D Lee & Nate to extensions w/o thought of how it will effect our chances of signing 2 bignames in 2010... everything else will take care of itself, but we need to keep being proactive & making moves to give ourselves flexibility in 2010... that should be the main focus right now along w/drafting the right prospect this year.

Fish has outlined the possibility of Curry getting a medical exemption. I'm really hoping that's what Walsh has in mind. Otherwise, I can't understand why he'd keep Eddy away from the team. It would make no sense. What better way to kill his trade value? Was this all part of an INEGNIOUS strategy by Walsh? Keep Eddy away from the team. The team, especially Zach will play well. Trade Zach while his value is high. Then Curry comes off the cap once we get a medical exemption.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-09-2008 6:43 PM]

i think the attitude Curry displayed coming into this season was 1 of ambivalence & contentment... he came in way outta shape & didn't show MDA he was gonna work hard to get into shape at all... i don't have a problem w/MDA keeping him away from the team... u can't have guys like that around when everyone else is busting their asses in practice & in games... at least Big Turd's good for some comic relief & keeps these guys laughing & loose.

if we can get a medical exception for Curry, great, but it wouldn't take his contract off our books... it would only give us the ability to sign or trade for someone at half his salary & add on to our payroll.