Posted by knicksbb10:

It's too bad Atlanta matched up the Jason Terry deal. It was a bit too late. If he was still a restricted free agent and we got Mutombo, we would 've package Ward/Thomas for jason Terry.

All that is irrelevant right now. Nick VE is good but i think picking him up would be risky based on his recent various injuries he's been sustaining lately. He's also over 30 years of age. That trade might come back to haunt us. I say we give Frank Williams a chance to blossom.

It so funny how few weeks ago, fake ass knicks fans talking alot of junk about the knicks being a lottery team after the season. These fake ass knicks fans don't know anything about patience or realizing the knicks were just waiting for the right move @ the right time. Soon as knicks trade Sprewell, fake-ass knicks fans assumed the season is Done!! Well now, take a good look @ the knicks now!!! From the most undersized team to one of the biggest team/lineup in the goddamn league. So far, Chaney and LAyden addressed their important needs: Size, Rebounding, Length and Youth.

I dont know where you are getting this "biggest frontcourt in the league" Shaq is bigger than Deke and KT put together...add in a gimpy knee Dyess and you still cant touch Shaq or Duncan. Yes the team improved but they are not winning the championship. They will be more interesting to watch - thats all Layden and Dolan have done. They did address the problems you listed...but have they fixed them? That remains to be seen. There are still a lot of ? marks surrounding this team. I wouldnt point the finger at fans who are pissed spree was shipped out - Layden got lucky with Lampe and Deke - neither of whom are guranteed to offer anything this year. Everyone in Knicks world wants to see them perform well but I wouldnt shoot my mouth off about how good this team is until they take the court and show people.

[Edited by - oasisbu on 10/11/2003 11:43:16]

Oasis then how can you pencil in LA, with Kobe in Limbo and Malone and Payton never playing on same team before. And Duncan having only a few players from last yr championship squad. Jersey doesn't know if ZO can play a whole season yet.

Wow lots of optimism from you guys. I was getting ready to attack the pessimists. I guess now ill have to be one.

The only player thats been good in recent years that the knicks have is Allen Houston. He put up really good stats last year. However, i think that many fans still have the right to complain that he's not steppin' up. 40pts in consecutive games is good, but there's no motivation or spirit.

KVH and Mutombo are coming off their worst years. Theres a reason why KVH was bounced around so much. Mutombo? While he says that taking that year off was like getting 2 years back to his game, i think its more like losing 1 year off his game. I really hope he can still put up 10 boards and some blocks cause if he does any less, then we got ripped.

Lampe is developing into a Houston/Sprewell - lotta points, not much of anything else. Of course he's a rookie and he could be a good rebounder in 2-3 years (when KT and Mutombo are probably gone). Sweetney's not bad. Doesnt get too many points, but that can be compensated with guys who only get points: Houston, Lampe, and KVH (since he's getting pushed out of inside).

Dice? Thats the key. However, even if he does come back its not like we have an awesome coach that can instantly bring cohesiveness to the team. Dude, where's my Knicks? I dunno. Houston, Ward, and Thomas. And you guys want to trade two of those guys. No way. Ward, maybe. But Thomas might be the most underrated player in the East.

3rd best in conference? You guys are delusional. Rangers and Knicks are very very similar. Older overpaid teams that dont have the athletsicm and speed it takes to compete for high playoff positioning.

After evaluating a lot of pre season hoop, I believe we were headed for a top 5 lottery position

which we NEED!

Deke will improve the team to the point where we are again back end lottery unless enough eastern teams have injuries to catipult us ahead.


Come on we stink this is not a good team this is not a durable team this is not a well managed team


did anyone watch today's game with their eyes open?

Only pre-season right--no alarms that weve been blown out 3-3

No alarms on our transition D and PUTRID shooting with 0 penetration.

i tellyou what this team needs

they need to get a Geoff petrie in here and completely blow this crp up and start over. we couldve done this already but we keep band aiding to death.

you know who looked like the best Knicks today Travis Knight Matt caroll and KVH

did anyone notice the immense erosion in spoon? eisley reverting backto 2001? Thomas looking like he's not handling his weight loss well?

the best we looked was in the second Q when doleac Lampe and Van horn were all in.there was some nice chemistry and plenty of mismatches.

i think this is the way to go, we must try to keep 3 6-10+ guys in as much as possible

the rooks give sweetney a pass for today he came into today averageing 10 points 5 reb on 60% shooting and ran into KG foul trouble and his game looked awful that will happen as it did to lampe.wouldlike to see chaney to get lampe inside much more 1/2 his shots et c....

briggs, of course we are going to get blown out if our top three players did not play. especially against the t-wolves who only sat out was spree and olowankandi. so basically we had the mvp garnett, all-star wally world and good point guard cassel. against van horn, thomas and matt carroll??? if you read what i said, i said in the best case scenerio. like dice playing at the level he was two years ago and healthy for 90% of the season as well as a very healthy roster. in the east, i think being third seed in this type of scenerio is not far fetched. the only way we are lottery is if dice comes back in february or march, deke gets hurt again and houston limps through the season ( which are all very possible scenerios). deke is the key right now. with him we have a decent lower seed playoff team without dice. with dice, yeah, we should be up in the upper seeds in the east.

Posted by knicksbb10:

Size, Rebounding, Length and Youth.

Yeah, I see the size in Deke, but he aint got the rebounding or youth anymore. And you know KVH is not going to go up for the boards. AD is still a huge question mark.

Yes, I want this team to succeed but you're putting your hopes on a 37-year old center who's best years are behind him and who's coming off seasons where he was plauged with SERIOUS injuries. If Layden walks out of this one with this neck, I'd be surprised b/c this has Dice written all over it.

Can history repeat itself? It's likely. But at least we didn't give up a draft pick for this one.

Posted by NYK8:

Hey Hardcore Haterade,where u at? i wanna know if u still think we have a chance for the top 5 draft pick.

I think we have a huge chance for a top 5 pick, period.

yah betta chill wit the chronic,knicks will make the final 3 playoff spots.

its onlyt he preseason, it was dekes first game, houston hasnt played yet and the rookies are still learning and playing alot of minutes. Lampe is 18 years old and hes been in this country for less than a year give him a break. kobe wasnt that great his rookie year and look how bad Yao looked 15-20 games of his career. Of course i would want the knicks to be looking better in the preseason but i dont think anyone should panic about how they are playing. It seems like people are almost expecting Lampe to carry the team alittle this year.

hope milos is doing well!

Posted by OasisBU:

I dont expect much from Lampe this year...I dont expect much from Lebron either. My point is, even with this kid, the addition of a center, sweetney, kvh - this team is not on its way to building a championship caliber team. Thats what I want to see in NY and they need to make some moves towards that instead of patching up the holes and making the last seed of the playoffs.

I do think this is how such a team starts rebuilding. If we patched it up, why carry Frank and 2-3 rookies, and matt carroll as we are trying to do. I think Othella gets bought out.

See my note (a tale of...) for my theory. Make a run, if you suck, accelerate the rebuild. IF not, perhaps the team has legs. Gotta try if you have the vets, payroll. Pipeline is filling, there will be a future. Sweet, lampe, milos, all have real nice upside. Not Melo, but we not have that pick. Lampe is exactly what he should be, strong in the perimeter, weak on the boards and on the defense. What else from a jr euro league player. We have him for 4 years, made a commitment. This is new. Sweet is a player to be buried on a championship potential team as we did in the past with late 1st rounders or 2nd rounders. I doubt the team would commit assets to this pipeline if it could just as easily patch up with more bloated vets.

Keep your fingers crossed this is true, and no reverting back to the ill thought process days that got us here!