Jamal Crawford is a bad player, plain and simple. There's a reason no team he has ever played for has been in the playoffs. He is Allen Iverson lite, and since AI is one of the most overated players of all time, I'll have to say Jamal is Overated-lite.

Anyone who misses him, who wanted him play here, who thought we should keep because he would help us "win", I would have to say is being foolish.

It's definitely too early, but we all knew Crawford was an awful defender and often was a chucker on offense. I don't miss him and I'm not surprised that the Warriors are mediocre with him.

He's got a lot of skills, but unless someone keeps him in check, his skills cause more problems than they solve. It's like some people I've worked with in the past: You're initially impressed because they know things and have skills that a lot of other candidates don't. Then you start working with them and realize that their knowledge and skills are mostly surface level and they actually only fully grasped 20% of the concept. They then rely so heavily on the 20% that they do know and are good at that they actually cause more damage than good because they use it inappropriately.

Unfortunately I believe this is the case with Jamal. The only time we ever had a coach try to put Jamal in line, we fired him. Thus, with Jamal is what you see, an exciting sparkplug, but ultimately, a very flawed NBA player.

Posted by fishmike:

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NYK.HTM

look at the +/- for on the court off the court. Knicks were - with Crawford off or on, but got worse when he sat. Of all the guys they seem to play the worst when Lee sits. Harrington and Thomas have not helped them at all when on the court.

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809GSW.HTM
something to the original Crawford analysis. GS has been AWFUL, a whopping -18 when Crawford is on the court vs. -2 when he sits.

Wow

yeah, i've actually seen a few GSW games since the trade... Crawford is getting beaten like a rag doll on the pick and roll and that just starts a domino collapse of GSW's entire defense. i think there's a lot more wrong with GSW than Crawford, but at least until they make some adjustments he's made them the worst defensive team in the league.

he was a better fit here, but i think when we have Nate healthy again and can run a normal 8 man rotation we will see some improved defense.

The east was such a joke when AI did that. They'd probably be a 2nd round team now.

Well I've never been a big fan of his game but I wouldn't call him a career loser either.

Stockton was a great, great PG but he was not a better player than AI IMHO, & last time i checked hasn't won any championships either... playing alongside 1 of the greatest scorers of alltime his entire career gives him a distinct advantage... yeah, Stockton played a big role in making Malone what he was, but compared 1 on 1, i would say AI is still a better player... AI has those scoring titles & MVP award under his belt & was a 3 time All NBA 1st team selection... AI is the 3rd alltime scoring average leader in the history of the NBA behind only Wilt & MJ, what other little man could even approach that playing in a league where being short is a distinct disadvantage?

AI got to the Finals in '01 & he didn't have a Karl Malone to help him get there.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-08-2008 4:33 PM]

i agree w/alot of the points u just made... i just find the "loser" tags being applied to AI pretty ridiculous.

Posted by knicks1248:

The fuuniest game of the year was when miami beat GSW after being down by 5 with 12 seconds to go and GS had the ball, my god it was like the bad news bears of basketball...

If anyone saw that game, you saw when JC took a ridiculous ill-advised shot with like 15 secs on the clock up 7 with under a minute to go in OT. The game should have never even went into OT and the led the entire OT and loss....The game reminded me of so many bad loses we had the last 3 season. So maybe he is a career loser cause the seen had to be all to familiar to him

if u'd watched that game u would've seen Jamal scoring 40 on D Wade & the Heat... if u think they lost the game because of him ur kidding urself.

Posted by Bippity10:

I actually still like Jamal. There is room for every type of player in the NBA. The problem is that if you use jamal as a focal point of your team and do not surround him with great players that can minimize his faults than he can hurt you. To me, as much as I like the guy, he is still a role player to me. 15 years ago when defense was a must, his role would have been that of a high scoring role player off the bench.

Am I wrong in saying like a Dennis Johnson type of a role?

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Bippity10:

I actually still like Jamal. There is room for every type of player in the NBA. The problem is that if you use jamal as a focal point of your team and do not surround him with great players that can minimize his faults than he can hurt you. To me, as much as I like the guy, he is still a role player to me. 15 years ago when defense was a must, his role would have been that of a high scoring role player off the bench.

Am I wrong in saying like a Dennis Johnson type of a role?

I think you mean Vinnie Johnson.

DJ was a tough as nails defender, with solid shot selection, leadership and orchestaration skills.

Ah yes, I did, thanks Blue. I was thinking of "The Microwave"