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12/7/2008  10:48 PM
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I like my PG's with the ability to hit an open jumper.So I take duhon..

Thats it right there.

but once Rondo DOES develop that jumper, it'll be over.

so will be his career, because with his form and having never been able to make jumpers, even since college, by time he develops one, he will be damn near retirement...

Pretty much... Rondo has some great handle, but the reason he has great handle is because he has HUGE hands. His hands are so big they mess up his shot. It could damn well take him a lifetime to figure out how to properly shoot with those hands...
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12/7/2008  11:37 PM
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Posted by tkf:
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I like my PG's with the ability to hit an open jumper.So I take duhon..

Thats it right there.

but once Rondo DOES develop that jumper, it'll be over.

so will be his career, because with his form and having never been able to make jumpers, even since college, by time he develops one, he will be damn near retirement...

payton developed a respectable outside shot and so has tony parker.

payton and parker already had respectable outside shots, which later developed into really good outside shots...
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12/7/2008  11:45 PM
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Wow Rondo is way better than Duhon. If Rondo had a jumpshot he would be an allstar


Thats like saying if duhon could finish stronger he would be an all star..to ify either way.
But I also want my pg to be able to come down and be able to knocked down a 3 at any given moment.

Duhon is shooting 40% from the field and is averaging just under 3 turnovers a game (and Crawford sucks?). Rondo is shooting 53% from the field and just over 2 turnovers per game. Rondo's job is to facilitate the offense and play defense. Duhon's role on the Knicks is to do the same but to do alot more offensively. If Rondo was on the Knicks, this would not be a discussion. I remember when everybody thought Duhon was garbage. Now he is top 5 PG in the league. Delusional? I believe so. Oh and as for Rondo shooting it is a lot better this year.


you are using % to mislead the shooting argument. Lee shoots 56% from the field, I guess he is a better shooter than rashard lewis who shoots 41%? come on, rondo passes up 15 foot jumpers, drives in and looks for pierce, allen or KG. IF this guy were on the knicks, he would not average 7.7 assists because on plays like the pick and roll, no one would leave the roll man with rondo shooting bricks and we don't have a KG to catch his wild lobs either... I was never really a duhon fan, but we did know he could hit the three and was not that bad from outside. Rondo is a brick mason, he shoots worse from outside than jason kidd did in his early years..
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12/8/2008  4:26 AM
Rondo every day of the week

Duhon has been spectacular though but Rondo would be an allstar with Mike D as coach
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12/8/2008  7:55 AM
Posted by McK1:

lol. duhon can't hold a candle to rondo.

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12/8/2008  8:37 AM
Posted by tkf:
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Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by tkf:

I like my PG's with the ability to hit an open jumper.So I take duhon..

Thats it right there.

but once Rondo DOES develop that jumper, it'll be over.

so will be his career, because with his form and having never been able to make jumpers, even since college, by time he develops one, he will be damn near retirement...

payton developed a respectable outside shot and so has tony parker.

payton and parker already had respectable outside shots, which later developed into really good outside shots...

nonsense. early on in their careers they were garbage from outside. this is documented and supported by statistical data.

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12/8/2008  9:44 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by tkf:

I like my PG's with the ability to hit an open jumper.So I take duhon..

Thats it right there.

but once Rondo DOES develop that jumper, it'll be over.

so will be his career, because with his form and having never been able to make jumpers, even since college, by time he develops one, he will be damn near retirement...

payton developed a respectable outside shot and so has tony parker.

payton and parker already had respectable outside shots, which later developed into really good outside shots...

nonsense. early on in their careers they were garbage from outside. this is documented and supported by statistical data.

Stop reading into statistics and watch the games. By your claim, I assume you didn't see Payton play at Oregon State. He was in the running for player of the year in the nation. He wasn't Mark Price, but he could make the jumper if open. Rondo was pathetic at Kentucky, form, confidence, release, etc and he still is.
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12/8/2008  9:50 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by tkf:

I like my PG's with the ability to hit an open jumper.So I take duhon..

Thats it right there.

but once Rondo DOES develop that jumper, it'll be over.

so will be his career, because with his form and having never been able to make jumpers, even since college, by time he develops one, he will be damn near retirement...

payton developed a respectable outside shot and so has tony parker.

payton and parker already had respectable outside shots, which later developed into really good outside shots...

nonsense. early on in their careers they were garbage from outside. this is documented and supported by statistical data.


well I doument and support with my eyes... parker and payton were miles ahead of rondo with their outside shooting.... miles...

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12/8/2008  9:51 AM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by tkf:

I like my PG's with the ability to hit an open jumper.So I take duhon..

Thats it right there.

but once Rondo DOES develop that jumper, it'll be over.

so will be his career, because with his form and having never been able to make jumpers, even since college, by time he develops one, he will be damn near retirement...

payton developed a respectable outside shot and so has tony parker.

payton and parker already had respectable outside shots, which later developed into really good outside shots...

nonsense. early on in their careers they were garbage from outside. this is documented and supported by statistical data.

Stop reading into statistics and watch the games. By your claim, I assume you didn't see Payton play at Oregon State. He was in the running for player of the year in the nation. He wasn't Mark Price, but he could make the jumper if open. Rondo was pathetic at Kentucky, form, confidence, release, etc and he still is.

exactly, I followed payton at Oregon state, he could make that open shot, parker when he first came into the league had an inconsistent outside shot, it has gotten a lot better for sure, almost automatic, but both guys were miles ahead of the bricks rondo tosses up.. actually rondo passes up 15 foot jumpers on the regular...
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12/8/2008  9:56 AM
rondo can make a jumper if open.

payton was a great college player but he wa still garbage from outside coming into the league. there is a legitimate reason thru payton's first 4 seasons he attempted 103 3's combined:

13, 23, 34, 54

and made 22 total.

in season 5 attempts from 3 jump to 232 but he still only made 70.
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12/8/2008  10:14 AM
people really disrespect the pressure rondo is under.

1st and foremost winning starts with the pg. not only that and he is playing with 3 of this generations best whom are all at the stage in their career where they are playing strictly for titles.

comparing him to a duhon whom is in a low expectation, no pressure sitch and in an offense that inflates numbers dramatically is shameful
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12/8/2008  12:29 PM
Posted by McK1:

rondo can make a jumper if open.

payton was a great college player but he wa still garbage from outside coming into the league. there is a legitimate reason thru payton's first 4 seasons he attempted 103 3's combined:

13, 23, 34, 54

and made 22 total.

in season 5 attempts from 3 jump to 232 but he still only made 70.

rondo can't make a jumper if open and he turns down more open shots than he takes..

to say that paytons jumper was garbage just shows that you never saw him play in college or early in his career. He wasn't reggie miller, but you would never leave payton open.. NEVER.. rondo is left open for a reason, and he still won't shoot..
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12/8/2008  12:31 PM
Posted by McK1:

people really disrespect the pressure rondo is under.

1st and foremost winning starts with the pg. not only that and he is playing with 3 of this generations best whom are all at the stage in their career where they are playing strictly for titles.

comparing him to a duhon whom is in a low expectation, no pressure sitch and in an offense that inflates numbers dramatically is shameful

Low expectations for duhon? In NYC...LOL. please, if duhon got off to a bad start he would get executed in the garden. Duhon is under just as much pressure to do well in a new offense, with new players and in a city that has the most impatient fans in the world....

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12/8/2008  1:17 PM
Posted by McK1:

people really disrespect the pressure rondo is under.

1st and foremost winning starts with the pg. not only that and he is playing with 3 of this generations best whom are all at the stage in their career where they are playing strictly for titles.

comparing him to a duhon whom is in a low expectation, no pressure sitch and in an offense that inflates numbers dramatically is shameful

rondo is very good, but he is helped out by the fact that pierce can completely create his own shot when needed which takes a lot of pressure off him in crunch time situations. i don't think he has a ton of pressure as a playmaker, or at least, he doesn't carry the full load with pierce owning the wing. i mean, he plays with 3 superstars, that makes his job easier. he is very good tho.

but i agree that d'antoni offense is known to inflate numbers so comparing the numbers in such vastly different systems is silly.
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12/8/2008  5:34 PM
Posted by tkf:
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people really disrespect the pressure rondo is under.

1st and foremost winning starts with the pg. not only that and he is playing with 3 of this generations best whom are all at the stage in their career where they are playing strictly for titles.

comparing him to a duhon whom is in a low expectation, no pressure sitch and in an offense that inflates numbers dramatically is shameful

Low expectations for duhon? In NYC...LOL. please, if duhon got off to a bad start he would get executed in the garden. Duhon is under just as much pressure to do well in a new offense, with new players and in a city that has the most impatient fans in the world....

2yr mle deal on a team not expected to win many games equals low expectations
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12/8/2008  5:36 PM
Posted by tkf:

you would never leave payton open.. NEVER

detroit left him open a lot in the 04 finals

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12/8/2008  6:07 PM
Posted by McK1:
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people really disrespect the pressure rondo is under.

1st and foremost winning starts with the pg. not only that and he is playing with 3 of this generations best whom are all at the stage in their career where they are playing strictly for titles.

comparing him to a duhon whom is in a low expectation, no pressure sitch and in an offense that inflates numbers dramatically is shameful

Low expectations for duhon? In NYC...LOL. please, if duhon got off to a bad start he would get executed in the garden. Duhon is under just as much pressure to do well in a new offense, with new players and in a city that has the most impatient fans in the world....

2yr mle deal on a team not expected to win many games equals low expectations

IMO playing alongside 3 Allstars on the deepest & most talented team in the NBA & being left open on just about every possession on the perimeter when u don't have the ball = low pressure

Duhon's been doing a great job coming into his first fulltime starting role in the NBA's biggest media market & establishing himself as a leader right off the bat... to discount that as being under no pressure is ridiculous.
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12/8/2008  6:19 PM
I think Rondo is a better athlete which allows him to do certain things better - defense, getting to the hole, pushing the ball (things Duhon can do as well btw, just not as good) but as far as being an overall floor general, orchestrating, contributing with a reliable jumpshot, Duhon has the edge in my book. Interesting comparison...

[Edited by - finestrg on 12-08-2008 6:22 PM]
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12/8/2008  7:47 PM
Posted by Finestrg:

I think Rondo is a better athlete which allows him to do certain things better - defense, getting to the hole, pushing the ball (things Duhon can do as well btw, just not as good) but as far as being an overall floor general, orchestrating, contributing with a reliable jumpshot, Duhon has the edge in my book. Interesting comparison...

[Edited by - finestrg on 12-08-2008 6:22 PM]
Yeah Duhon is the better floor general and he's getting better and better. IMO DUHON!!! I mean come on man. Rondo is in a PERFECT freakin situation. While teams are completely distracted guarding the big 3 he's able to use his athletic ability to cause havoc. He IMO is not even on the same planet as Duhon BB IQ wise and skill wise. Rondo is a FAR better athlete and he's using that well, but if not for that edge he'd be exposed for his weak BB IQ and leadership skills.

If you go back to the crap that was said about Duhon before the season It's amazing that he's even in a discussion like this. His strong play is a testament to MDA's great coaching and Duhon's work ethic, cuz he's worked for every bit of success he's had this year. Don't even bring up the recent high Turnovers he had, cuz that's an aberration. He's been so good that I would have him as my pick for most improved player award. He's been VERY good IMO. Duhon is making the most of his talent, which is the complete reverse of what most highly talented players do with their gifts. How many low level guys do you watch make more of their talents than he has this year? Rondo is getting better but really it's not as much of a challenge to do that when you're on the best team in the East, if not the league. Duhon is doing it with almost no help and no real backup recently.

I'm really impressed with Duhon and MDA this year. They've shown me a lot in terms of their positive impact on this team. MDA did the same thing for Nash, who has more talent than Duhon, but still we see Duhon's improvement looks as drastic if not more than Nash's improvement. Duhon is the best PG we've had in a long time from a purist standpoint. He runs the team, defends and makes mostly good decisions. Imagine how he'd do with a more balanced team?
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12/8/2008  7:55 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Finestrg:

I think Rondo is a better athlete which allows him to do certain things better - defense, getting to the hole, pushing the ball (things Duhon can do as well btw, just not as good) but as far as being an overall floor general, orchestrating, contributing with a reliable jumpshot, Duhon has the edge in my book. Interesting comparison...

[Edited by - finestrg on 12-08-2008 6:22 PM]
Yeah Duhon is the better floor general and he's getting better and better. IMO DUHON!!! I mean come on man. Rondo is in a PERFECT freakin situation. While teams are completely distracted guarding the big 3 he's able to use his athletic ability to cause havoc. He IMO is not even on the same planet as Duhon BB IQ wise and skill wise. Rondo is a FAR better athlete and he's using that well, but if not for that edge he'd be exposed for his weak BB IQ and leadership skills.

If you go back to the crap that was said about Duhon before the season It's amazing that he's even in a discussion like this. His strong play is a testament to MDA's great coaching and Duhon's work ethic, cuz he's worked for every bit of success he's had this year. Don't even bring up the recent high Turnovers he had, cuz that's an aberration. He's been so good that I would have him as my pick for most improved player award. He's been VERY good IMO. Duhon is making the most of his talent, which is the complete reverse of what most highly talented players do with their gifts. How many low level guys do you watch make more of their talents than he has this year? Rondo is getting better but really it's not as much of a challenge to do that when you're on the best team in the East, if not the league. Duhon is doing it with almost no help and no real backup recently.

I'm really impressed with Duhon and MDA this year. They've shown me a lot in terms of their positive impact on this team. MDA did the same thing for Nash, who has more talent than Duhon, but still we see Duhon's improvement looks as drastic if not more than Nash's improvement. Duhon is the best PG we've had in a long time from a purist standpoint. He runs the team, defends and makes mostly good decisions. Imagine how he'd do with a more balanced team?

Yeah, I can't think of anybody else...
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