Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Fishmike--what is the plan if it becomes obvious that Curry is going to be here and we have to let Nate and Lee walk and remounce Duhon and harrington with only 1 draft pick[by the way they pretty much stink at drafting no confidence there. We will pick a Spanish boy who shoots the ball like a linedrive who will be broken down in three nBA weeks even if we have pick 1.

Fishmike--what is the plan if it becomes obvious that Curry is going to be here

Lets deal with this in two parts. I mean whats the reasoning behind that? Do you not believe that he can be traded, at some point for a shorter deal at the absolute worst? Or are you concerned that DW would prefer to keep Curry here instead of pursuing Lebron, Amare, Dirk, etc? Please elaborate.

Second part: If this about building the best team possible AND going after a max FA Curry doesnt affect that. I have outlined before we could resign Lee to 5 years and $50mm, Nate to 5 years and $40mm, get stuck with JJSkinny and Curry still being here, add an extra first rounder in 09 AND STILL BE $20MM UNDER THE CAP IN 2010. So there is no pressure to panic.

Why do you insist we have to let Lee or Nate walk? This makes no sense and you have provided no reasoning behind this. Neither has King. Show me the team with cap space thats going to give Lee more than $50mm. Its a non-issue.

remounce Duhon and harrington with only 1 draft pick[by the way they pretty much stink at drafting no confidence there. We will pick a Spanish boy who shoots the ball like a linedrive who will be broken down in three nBA weeks even if we have pick 1

As I outlined before the only scenario where we would have to renounce Duhon is if DW is unable to trade either JJSkinny or Curry (not both). If either of them goes then we can easily resign Lee, Nate AND Duhon. If both go we can resign all 3, AND offer 2 FAs MAX CONTRACTS.

Do the math. We are fine.

I believe your panic is a bit premature... especially on harping on Rubio. Lets be fair. You get a bit emotional about picks and players we need to add. Often your insight is spot on. Othertimes not so much. But there is certainly volume and I think most appreciate it because we look at guys we probably wouldnt normally. That being said

RELAX

---> The first is why would Curry still be here? Why? Right now he has a nasty injury for a man of his size a poor work ethic and a ticker that has been questionable. No team can insure him. You're right--if he plays like he did 2 years ago he can still be traded --but if he cant get close to that level--it would take a high lottery pick to get rid of him.

And of course there is a very solid chance he can still be a Knick in 2010--right now I would lean that we cannot get rid of him unless part 2 of the previous comment happened and that would STINK--it would be horrible if we HAD to give up a high lottery pick to get rid of him--terrible horrible--I dont want to think about it.

To me every cat on this roster is on the market--that is the way I would do it.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 12-04-2008 3:56 PM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Fishmike--what is the plan if it becomes obvious that Curry is going to be here and we have to let Nate and Lee walk and remounce Duhon and harrington with only 1 draft pick[by the way they pretty much stink at drafting no confidence there. We will pick a Spanish boy who shoots the ball like a linedrive who will be broken down in three nBA weeks even if we have pick 1.

Fishmike--what is the plan if it becomes obvious that Curry is going to be here

Lets deal with this in two parts. I mean whats the reasoning behind that? Do you not believe that he can be traded, at some point for a shorter deal at the absolute worst? Or are you concerned that DW would prefer to keep Curry here instead of pursuing Lebron, Amare, Dirk, etc? Please elaborate.

Second part: If this about building the best team possible AND going after a max FA Curry doesnt affect that. I have outlined before we could resign Lee to 5 years and $50mm, Nate to 5 years and $40mm, get stuck with JJSkinny and Curry still being here, add an extra first rounder in 09 AND STILL BE $20MM UNDER THE CAP IN 2010. So there is no pressure to panic.

Why do you insist we have to let Lee or Nate walk? This makes no sense and you have provided no reasoning behind this. Neither has King. Show me the team with cap space thats going to give Lee more than $50mm. Its a non-issue.

remounce Duhon and harrington with only 1 draft pick[by the way they pretty much stink at drafting no confidence there. We will pick a Spanish boy who shoots the ball like a linedrive who will be broken down in three nBA weeks even if we have pick 1

As I outlined before the only scenario where we would have to renounce Duhon is if DW is unable to trade either JJSkinny or Curry (not both). If either of them goes then we can easily resign Lee, Nate AND Duhon. If both go we can resign all 3, AND offer 2 FAs MAX CONTRACTS.

Do the math. We are fine.

I believe your panic is a bit premature... especially on harping on Rubio. Lets be fair. You get a bit emotional about picks and players we need to add. Often your insight is spot on. Othertimes not so much. But there is certainly volume and I think most appreciate it because we look at guys we probably wouldnt normally. That being said

RELAX

---> The first is why would Curry still be here? Why? Right now he has a nasty injury for a man of his size a poor work ethic and a ticker that has been questionable. No team can insure him. You're right--if he plays like he did 2 years ago he can still be traded --but if he cant get close to that level--it would take a high lottery pick to get rid of him.

And of course there is a very solid chance he can still be a Knick in 2010--right now I would lean that we cannot get rid of him unless part 2 of the previous comment happened and that would STINK--it would be horrible if we HAD to give up a high lottery pick to get rid of him--terrible horrible--I dont want to think about it.

To me every cat on this roster is on the market--that is the way I would do it.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 12-04-2008 3:56 PM]

Maybe Walsh agrees 100% with you. Maybe he agrees with every sentence, word, and letter you've written. You don't know.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Fishmike--what is the plan if it becomes obvious that Curry is going to be here and we have to let Nate and Lee walk and remounce Duhon and harrington with only 1 draft pick[by the way they pretty much stink at drafting no confidence there. We will pick a Spanish boy who shoots the ball like a linedrive who will be broken down in three nBA weeks even if we have pick 1.

Fishmike--what is the plan if it becomes obvious that Curry is going to be here

Lets deal with this in two parts. I mean whats the reasoning behind that? Do you not believe that he can be traded, at some point for a shorter deal at the absolute worst? Or are you concerned that DW would prefer to keep Curry here instead of pursuing Lebron, Amare, Dirk, etc? Please elaborate.

Second part: If this about building the best team possible AND going after a max FA Curry doesnt affect that. I have outlined before we could resign Lee to 5 years and $50mm, Nate to 5 years and $40mm, get stuck with JJSkinny and Curry still being here, add an extra first rounder in 09 AND STILL BE $20MM UNDER THE CAP IN 2010. So there is no pressure to panic.

Why do you insist we have to let Lee or Nate walk? This makes no sense and you have provided no reasoning behind this. Neither has King. Show me the team with cap space thats going to give Lee more than $50mm. Its a non-issue.

remounce Duhon and harrington with only 1 draft pick[by the way they pretty much stink at drafting no confidence there. We will pick a Spanish boy who shoots the ball like a linedrive who will be broken down in three nBA weeks even if we have pick 1

As I outlined before the only scenario where we would have to renounce Duhon is if DW is unable to trade either JJSkinny or Curry (not both). If either of them goes then we can easily resign Lee, Nate AND Duhon. If both go we can resign all 3, AND offer 2 FAs MAX CONTRACTS.

Do the math. We are fine.

I believe your panic is a bit premature... especially on harping on Rubio. Lets be fair. You get a bit emotional about picks and players we need to add. Often your insight is spot on. Othertimes not so much. But there is certainly volume and I think most appreciate it because we look at guys we probably wouldnt normally. That being said

RELAX

---> The first is why would Curry still be here? Why? Right now he has a nasty injury for a man of his size a poor work ethic and a ticker that has been questionable. No team can insure him. You're right--if he plays like he did 2 years ago he can still be traded --but if he cant get close to that level--it would take a high lottery pick to get rid of him.

And of course there is a very solid chance he can still be a Knick in 2010--right now I would lean that we cannot get rid of him unless part 2 of the previous comment happened and that would STINK--it would be horrible if we HAD to give up a high lottery pick to get rid of him--terrible horrible--I dont want to think about it.

To me every cat on this roster is on the market--that is the way I would do it.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 12-04-2008 3:56 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

---> But either way I have gone into GREAT detail to demonstrate that Curry's status has minimal impact on our team, whether he stays or goes.

Status 11,276,584 am I missing something? It takes two years for someone medically to come off the books so Curry would not qualify anyway.

Yes, but only because you don't want to see it

Posted by BRIGGS:

---> But either way I have gone into GREAT detail to demonstrate that Curry's status has minimal impact on our team, whether he stays or goes.

Status 11,276,584 am I missing something? It takes two years for someone medically to come off the books so Curry would not qualify anyway.

It take one year of non play... if Curry never gets in a game this year and retires his 2010 salary is off the books. Even if it isnt off the books we are still way under the cap AFTER we resign Lee and Nate. Duhon would be lost unless we could trade JJ at some point

If Curry plays he gets traded. If he doesnt he's off the books. This is a non issue in Dec2008. The drama here is like worrying about getting the girl pregnant when your friend request on myspace has yet to acknowledged.

Chill man... least of our worries right now.