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oohah
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12/4/2008  11:01 AM
Why is it so hard for people to imagine that a heart condition that he had from the beginning and signed a waiver to play through it has gotten worse in a way that its recommended not to play anymore and the Knicks may be doing something positive here? Have we bought all the media crap so much that we always think the Knicks have something sinister behind the scenes going on? I mean, its easier to think that the Knicks are doing Mobley a dirty one instead of helping him and making sure he is healthy?

I don't see how it is media crap. The media doesn't figure into this for me. I generally don't believe anything that comes from the media until I know it is true and I formulate my own opinion.

We know that Mobley was traded for as a salary dump.
We know that Moley's heart condition was not a secret.
Now we know that if Mobley has to retire it saves the Knicks millions.

Add that up and it looks pretty unsavory to me. I care about the Knicks, and I really don't care about Mobley as a player, but I do believe in treating human beings with some basic modicum of respect.

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12/4/2008  11:04 AM
How are they toying with his career? I completely doubt they even thought about the heart condition when the trade occured because Mobley looked like he was ready to play at the time of the press conference and even when he attended that one game. This was all detected by his physical and it wasn't until then that Walsh considered getting a little extra (Which we don't know if he actually try to do that) but he didn't.

Now he CAN'T play. After the Rangers had that one guy die from the heart problem, there is no way in hell that they are going to allow something like that to happen again. They are taking no chances. I think they'd rather be the worst team in the league with no draft pick than let Mobley die on their count.
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12/4/2008  11:06 AM
Posted by oohah:
Why is it so hard for people to imagine that a heart condition that he had from the beginning and signed a waiver to play through it has gotten worse in a way that its recommended not to play anymore and the Knicks may be doing something positive here? Have we bought all the media crap so much that we always think the Knicks have something sinister behind the scenes going on? I mean, its easier to think that the Knicks are doing Mobley a dirty one instead of helping him and making sure he is healthy?

I don't see how it is media crap. The media doesn't figure into this for me. I generally don't believe anything that comes from the media until I know it is true and I formulate my own opinion.

We know that Mobley was traded for as a salary dump.
We know that Moley's heart condition was not a secret.
Now we know that if Mobley has to retire it saves the Knicks millions.

Add that up and it looks pretty unsavory to me. I care about the Knicks, and I really don't care about Mobley as a player, but I do believe in treating human beings with some basic modicum of respect.

oohah

Did you not read what "Knicksfan" and "Briggs" said?
You are just assuming right now. None of us know what is up and do you really think management would risk further injuries by doing this?

BTW, I'm in agreement with you regarding how to treat players, I just don't think our motive here is sinister.

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12/4/2008  12:12 PM
Did you not read what "Knicksfan" and "Briggs" said?

Please explain further. Are they inside authorities or am I allowed my own take?
You are just assuming right now. None of us know what is up and do you really think management would risk further injuries by doing this?

BTW, I'm in agreement with you regarding how to treat players, I just don't think our motive here is sinister.

EMS

I just listed out above what we know about the situation and drew my conclusion from that. Did you not read my 3 point list?

Sinister is not really the word for it. Callous is more like it. I think that not seeing the motive here is money-related seems short sighted. Mobley was playing this season. Now all of a sudden he is medically ineligible to play, and just coincidentally it save the Knicks 75% of his contract?

Nobody knows for sure, but it looks unseemly to me.

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12/4/2008  12:16 PM
Posted by oohah:
Did you not read what "Knicksfan" and "Briggs" said?

Please explain further. Are they inside authorities or am I allowed my own take?
You are just assuming right now. None of us know what is up and do you really think management would risk further injuries by doing this?

BTW, I'm in agreement with you regarding how to treat players, I just don't think our motive here is sinister.

EMS

I just listed out above what we know about the situation and drew my conclusion from that. Did you not read my 3 point list?

Sinister is not really the word for it. Callous is more like it. I think that not seeing the motive here is money-related seems short sighted. Mobley was playing this season. Now all of a sudden he is medically ineligible to play, and just coincidentally it save the Knicks 75% of his contract?

Nobody knows for sure, but it looks unseemly to me.

oohah

He hasn't been declared medically ineligible to play, yet. But, given that he has seen a half dozen specialists, its not looking good. You don't go to that many unless something might be wrong.
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12/4/2008  12:22 PM
Posted by oohah:
Did you not read what "Knicksfan" and "Briggs" said?

Please explain further. Are they inside authorities or am I allowed my own take?
You are just assuming right now. None of us know what is up and do you really think management would risk further injuries by doing this?

BTW, I'm in agreement with you regarding how to treat players, I just don't think our motive here is sinister.

EMS

I just listed out above what we know about the situation and drew my conclusion from that. Did you not read my 3 point list?

Sinister is not really the word for it. Callous is more like it. I think that not seeing the motive here is money-related seems short sighted. Mobley was playing this season. Now all of a sudden he is medically ineligible to play, and just coincidentally it save the Knicks 75% of his contract?

Nobody knows for sure, but it looks unseemly to me.

oohah

There's no way Donnie would be doing this for money. He was playing fine in LA, so it was probably a non issue until he took his physical.

And there's no way the Knicks will let him play anyway until he's cleared in many ways, after what happened with the Rangers.
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12/4/2008  12:25 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by oohah:
Did you not read what "Knicksfan" and "Briggs" said?

Please explain further. Are they inside authorities or am I allowed my own take?
You are just assuming right now. None of us know what is up and do you really think management would risk further injuries by doing this?

BTW, I'm in agreement with you regarding how to treat players, I just don't think our motive here is sinister.

EMS

I just listed out above what we know about the situation and drew my conclusion from that. Did you not read my 3 point list?

Sinister is not really the word for it. Callous is more like it. I think that not seeing the motive here is money-related seems short sighted. Mobley was playing this season. Now all of a sudden he is medically ineligible to play, and just coincidentally it save the Knicks 75% of his contract?

Nobody knows for sure, but it looks unseemly to me.

oohah

He hasn't been declared medically ineligible to play, yet. But, given that he has seen a half dozen specialists, its not looking good. You don't go to that many unless something might be wrong.

Hasn't Gallinari seen around that many?
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12/4/2008  12:26 PM
Posted by oohah:


We know that Mobley was traded for as a salary dump.
We know that Moley's heart condition was not a secret.
Now we know that if Mobley has to retire it saves the Knicks millions.

1. But we also know Walsh traded for players he believed could help us compete in the present.
2. But we don't know if the condition has aggravated to the point its really dangerous to keep playing.
3. And now we also know that Mobley is more worried about his health than basketball, which is understandable and could save his life.

Bonus: We also know he would be insured, so he would get his money.

The point is, for all we know both Mobley and the Knicks want to know exactly what he has in his heart and if he can continue playing or not. If the condition wasn't serious and he still wanted to play, he could simply waive responsibility from the Knicks. It would still help the Knicks as they get a capable SG and still have the cap room in 2010, so there is no reason to believe this is some kind of orchestrated Knicks plan.

But if you want to believe that theory and keep thinking there is some kind of dark plan taking place, you are in your right.
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12/4/2008  12:40 PM
To me, this just seems like what happens to a lot of regular people. Mobley probably wouldn't have thought about it because he probably wouldn't have had an in-depth physical at any point recently except for this trade. Mobley is at the tail end of his career and has to start thinking about his post-NBA life. He's going to get a lot of burn from D'Antoni, has to adjust to the stresses of living and working in New York, and he knows he's just a "means to an end" for this franchise. So why would Mobley want kill himself for this team, pardon the pun, especially in the current climate?

Walsh & MSG aren't taking heart conditions lightly any more, like folks has mentioned about the teenager from the Rangers. You aren't going to see any more Eddy Curry-type trades anymore... Curry has a "heart" problem in both senses of the word. If a player starts to feel like he is physically vulnerable, it's definitely going to affect his play. Plus, they sure need the extra roster spot.

And think of how this forum would be crying bloody murder if Zach was still here and got seriously injured. People would be screaming because Walsh lost out on trading Randolph when he was at his market high.
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12/4/2008  12:48 PM
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maybe walsh got a little something for cat under the table if he retires. insurance picks up 80% of that tag, cat's proly gonna retire in 2 yrs anyway, he'll be 35. why not? win win. everybody's happy AND healthy.

medical tests don't lie and insurance companies just dont roll over and pay millions

not saying he does'nt have a heart condition, but he could sign a waiver like he did last time. maybe donnie said "no no now cat you don't have to do that. it's your health we're dealing w/here. plus I think I can convince jimmie d to hook you up w/a cool mil AND we can put you up in a quaint little 3acre estate upstate while you collect yo dough".

If this is the case (that Mobley's heart is no worse), Walsh has 2 options: Have Mobley sign the waiver again or sign a D-Leaguer or trade the injury exception for a 2-guard. Which would you do?

i'd have him sign another waiver if he really wants to roll the dice on his life. mobley's a good player. but i'd rather he retire. works better for both parties.
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12/4/2008  12:51 PM
Posted by franco12:


He hasn't been declared medically ineligible to play, yet. But, given that he has seen a half dozen specialists, its not looking good. You don't go to that many unless something might be wrong.

Just like Gallo.
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12/4/2008  12:57 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by franco12:


He hasn't been declared medically ineligible to play, yet. But, given that he has seen a half dozen specialists, its not looking good. You don't go to that many unless something might be wrong.

Just like Gallo.

The point is?

Come on, now we are gonna compare back injury of a 20 year old to heart condition of a 33 year old? What's the point of mentioning Gallo here? Gimme a break
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12/4/2008  12:59 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by franco12:


He hasn't been declared medically ineligible to play, yet. But, given that he has seen a half dozen specialists, its not looking good. You don't go to that many unless something might be wrong.

Just like Gallo.

how so? possibly needing back surgery, and possibly dropping dead of a heart attack are two different things altogether.
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12/4/2008  1:03 PM
Gallo's been to a half a dozen back specialists. Something might be wrong.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 12-04-2008 13:03]
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12/4/2008  1:05 PM
The Knicks aren't doing Cat dirty. He's genuinely concerned about his health and is going to get as many opinions as he can before he makes a decision. This has nothing to do with Donnie trying to get over or the Knicks in general. He's got a heart condition, not a sore ankle. Of course both he and the Knicks are scared. Stop acting like you're playing GM in NBA 2K9 or something.

Instead of thinking the Knicks just have to be in the wrong all the time, how can you be so sure the Clips doctors told Cat the entire truth or even knew the entire truth about his condition before he signed the waiver? Just a thought.
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12/4/2008  1:08 PM
Maybe Cat is worried about Cat.
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12/4/2008  1:13 PM
Mobley loves the game... if he can go he would be playing. This sounds like legit discovery to make sure everyone is doing the right thing.

DW isnt Isiah. He is old school and does stuff by the book.
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12/4/2008  1:13 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Mobley loves the game... if he can go he would be playing. This sounds like legit discovery to make sure everyone is doing the right thing.

DW isnt Isiah. He is old school and does stuff by the book.

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12/4/2008  2:16 PM
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Posted by oohah:


We know that Mobley was traded for as a salary dump.
We know that Moley's heart condition was not a secret.
Now we know that if Mobley has to retire it saves the Knicks millions.

1. But we also know Walsh traded for players he believed could help us compete in the present.
2. But we don't know if the condition has aggravated to the point its really dangerous to keep playing.
3. And now we also know that Mobley is more worried about his health than basketball, which is understandable and could save his life.

Bonus: We also know he would be insured, so he would get his money.

The point is, for all we know both Mobley and the Knicks want to know exactly what he has in his heart and if he can continue playing or not. If the condition wasn't serious and he still wanted to play, he could simply waive responsibility from the Knicks. It would still help the Knicks as they get a capable SG and still have the cap room in 2010, so there is no reason to believe this is some kind of orchestrated Knicks plan.

But if you want to believe that theory and keep thinking there is some kind of dark plan taking place, you are in your right.

This whole "dark plan" business is your characterization and yours alone.

However, if you refer to my second point, that Mobley's apparently serious heart condition was very likely known before the Knicks traded for him, you have to ask yourself why they decided he would be worth acquiring?

Did they acquire Mobley just hoping that his pre-existing heart condition which he signed a waiver to play through in Houston was not really serious? Does that really make sense?

Or did they know that he could be medically retired if they could validate his condition as serious enough of a risk? If they really wanted a player to play they could have invalidated the trade no? This isn't the first time something like this has happened in the NBA. I'd have to think about it but I believe that it has already happened this season or late last season.

So it isn't about a "dark plan", it is about looking at the chain of events from a common sense perspective. Other than that, I don't know anything about Walsh' personal character, and you do not either.

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12/4/2008  2:30 PM
Wouldn't Mobley be chirping if he were being sleazed out of the league?
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