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12/3/2008  12:24 PM
I agree with Rookies take on some of these move

But, at this stage, I have to Walsh a B+ overall.

I think on Marbury, they've handled things well. Very little he could do if Dolan didn't want to give him all his money to walk, and I actually agree that if Marbury wants his freedom and he doesn't want to play here, he doesn't get all his cash.

Roberson was a horrible move- signing the guy off of 15 minutes of summer league practice?

Gallo has to be an incomplete, but I feel like the teacher is ready to give an F out on the project!

Crawford- I still feel like we should have gotten a first rounder for him from somewhere. Granted, we wouldn't have gotten a player back like Harrington, but what do we need him for, we need to rebuild.

The Zach trade probably should get an A. Lets be honest, no one thought he could be moved, and if Cutino was playing, this would be looking better than it is.

And what is up with the C of James? He's heading for a medical exemption here early 2009.

Lee is hard to judge. I don't think giving him an extension would necessarialy make him easier to trade.
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12/3/2008  12:35 PM
The draft and Roberson are the only two things you can actually be upset about, the Marbury situation his not been handled well, but Walsh was holding out hope that he could move him.

Roberson doesn't do one thing well, agreed.

The draft could end up being a disaster because Lopez looks like he could possibly be an All-Star on the defensive side of the ball and one of the better centers in the NBA. Gordon could blossom into a nice player, as could Bayless.

So you have one thing to complain about instead of

1. Jamal Crawford
2. Zach and Eddy
3. Sexual Law suits
4. Marbury threatening the coach
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12/3/2008  12:42 PM
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Marbury - I'll give him an 'F' on this one as it should have been handled before the season started which would have opened up a roster spot for a young bench player, preferably a Guard

Roberson - I'll give him an 'F' on this one as this guy is not an NBA player and never will be. What a waste of a guaranteed contract and a desperately needed roster spot.

Gallinari - I'll give him an 'F' on this one as this is looking to be a bust. There were better players available, ones that would fit our needs now and for the future. What a waste of a first round draft pick. Seeing him sitting on the bench makes me sick. He should have been sent to the 'D' league to free a roster spot.

Balkman - I'll give him an 'D' for this one. As of today we have gotten absolutely nothing out of this trade. We sent him, and cash, to the Nuggets for two players that we cut. Hopefully we'll get something of value from the 2nd round draft pick in 2010 which is the only reason I'm not giving him an 'F' for this salary dump.

Crawford - I'll give him a 'B' for this trade. Harrington is my kind of player - he has range, he can create and he plays defense - and he helps our salary cap situation for the 2010 season. I would have given Walsh an for this move had he not done the Randolf/Collins deal on the same day. He also should have gotten at least a second round pick on this trade.

Randolf - I'll give a 'D' for this trade. While I'm glad we were able to move Randolf's contract, we could have gotten more for such a productive player than what we got. There was no reason to rush on this. Also, the timing was very bad and left us short of healthy bodies. A little patience and we could have gotten more than Tim Thomas in this deal. I would have walked on this one. Hopefully Mobley won't drop dead on the court and can become a productive addition. I still give him a 'D' on this as I would have waited for a better deal that would have included a draft pick since it doesn't look as if we are interested in any contract that extends pasts 2010.

Curry - I'll give a 'C' on this one. If anybody deserved harsh treatment, it was Curry. Hopefully Coach and GM are on the same page on this one - PLAY HIM/TRADE HIM. If MDA doesn't give him minutes, I'll change this grade to an 'F' for another wasted trading chip for a GOOD player who fits this system.

James - I'll give a 'C' on this one. Hopefully this will be resolved this mont. If it drags on, I'll change this grade to an 'F'.

Lee - I would give him a 'C' on this one. He still is what he was last year. They probably could have given him a new contract which could help his trade value. As it stands, I'm not sure what his status on this team is. Is he part of the future or a trade chip to unload another player. Will he expire and move on or force us to give him more to keep him than we would have had to if we had resolved this in October. His inaction on this one might come back to bite him in the arse, in which case I'll change this grade to an 'F'.

Nate - I'll give this one an 'F' as we are short on guards and he should be kept. If we had re-signed him in Octoberwe could control the situation instead of having another team set his value.






I don't think your way off at all. I think you hit the nail on the head or close to it. Can someone saliently explain what he is so wrong about? JC ok for harrington because they are the same inconsistent player but Al can get some rebounds and bang and we don't have to deal with JC's trying to get an extension. Randolph IMHO--why did we do this now? Only injury would drop his value--he's a GOOD player who caused no problems once IT was removed. He was our best player---getting TT for Randolph is awful with nothing else. On top of it we got taken with Mobley.

Roberson scks there were many better options. Honestly I would cut Roberson today if it was me. Gallinari--no F but certainly how can anyone feel good about it? We couldve had/used a 7 footer which are much harder to get. Balkman trade--not good. We couldve used balkman--but we'll have to wait and see if that 2nd round pick has any value.

The handling of Lee and Nate money wise--not good--the market will set their value
and their value has skyrocketed

I don't see a plan where we will ahev any real semblence of a team 2 tears from now. If Lebron is winning or close to a championhip--do you think he will start over at ground zero?

Has Walsh helped the Knicks current roster with some moves to clear up a roster spot or 2 to bring in some reinforcements while we were short? No


I give him high marks on Duhon and Mike Dantoni and a reasonable on the JC trade. Everything else has been bad management.
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12/3/2008  12:43 PM
Posted by martin:
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^I give an 'F' on this post.

Exhibit A - The Jason Kidd trade is paying major dividends for the Nets. This is a great example of how to handle a situation where your star guard becomes a sideshow distraction. They also turned their 2008 draft picks they recieved in shooting this deal into gold. They became stronger through good management. Can you compare Thorn to Walsh?

Did you just compare Marbury to Kidd? Walsh is supposed to trade f'ing Marbury? The dude that didn't play last year cause of ankle problems? That took a flight home after being demoted? That publically fought with every Knicks coach he has had? For real?

if he is un-tradable and he isn't going to play, then why is he still on the team? Is he an asset or a detriment to the team? it's as simple as that. Making things overly complicated and sticking to proceedure hasn't exactly yielded any benefit now has it. It's a contrast in styles. There are people who are always ahead of the curve (proactive) like Thorn was and has been. If you are happy with the way things are going, then great. Maybe you can explain to me why you are happy with the way things are going.

I'll add more later cause I gotta split.

Let me start with a question: With the roster he inherited, what MORE could you do? We have a plan in place and got rid of 2 players who definitely could NOT be a part of a championship winning - or on the track for that - considering their production types. We are now in line 2 sign a top line free agent in 2 years. Shelving Marbury, Big Game and Curry and brining in MDA has almost gotten us to .500 and the culture has shifted. We compete every game even when we have 7 healthy bodies and our 7th guy is a YMCA scrub. We got a really good PG for $6M and only for 2 years.

Has he handled the Marbury situation to perfection? No. Has it really been detrimental to the team? We are nearly .500 and none of the playing guys are complaining.

Well, in terms of the inherited roster MDA did a great job of raising the value of Randolf and Crawford. Walsh let them go without getting a single draft pick in return. To make matters worse, he traded for a player with a heart condition when our roster is already painfully thin.

He had a high first round pick (6) in the 2008 draft and selected Gallinari, when you could of had either a legitimate 7'0" center (Lopez) which we sorely need especially since James won't play (medical exemption), Curry doesn't fit the run and gun system and Randolf wasn't in the future plan because of his contract. We could of also selected a guard like Jerryd Bayless since Marburry wasn't in the future plan and they weren't planning on re-signing Nate either. Did we really need another forward?

Roberson doesn't look like the best addition to this team either.

Balkman was worth more than a future second round pick.

Lee and Nate could have been given reasonable contracts which might even have increased their trade value. If we sign them as free agents, it'll likely cost us more than when their stock was low. Also, with a little faith that his coach could raise their value, they would be great trading chips with reasonable contracts. What is anyone going to give us now for a one year rental on either one of these guys?
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12/3/2008  12:45 PM
Why get worked up over Roberson and Gallinari? Roberson was not supposed to get this much playing time and is making a very small salary. Signings of 11th and 12th men on the roster should not carry much weight when rating a GM. If it does, then you are probably overreacting.

As for Gallinari. Very frustrating. But giving this one any greater/worse than an incomplete is pretty silly. 19 year olds go to college all the time. Many young kids do nothing for their first two-three years and then shine enough during senior year to get drafted. They then go on to have long successful careers. College coaches don't give up on those 19 year olds that don't shine right away, so why do that to a 19 year old NBA rookie. I'm pretending the guy doesn't exist. From time to time I will pray for a quick back recovery. But I can't judge Walsh on this pick yet. To be honest, it's ridiculous to do so.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-12-2008 12:46 PM]
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12/3/2008  1:01 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Why get worked up over Roberson and Gallinari? Roberson was not supposed to get this much playing time and is making a very small salary. Signings of 11th and 12th men on the roster should not carry much weight when rating a GM. If it does, then you are probably overreacting.

As for Gallinari. Very frustrating. But giving this one any greater/worse than an incomplete is pretty silly. 19 year olds go to college all the time. Many young kids do nothing for their first two-three years and then shine enough during senior year to get drafted. They then go on to have long successful careers. College coaches don't give up on those 19 year olds that don't shine right away, so why do that to a 19 year old NBA rookie. I'm pretending the guy doesn't exist. From time to time I will pray for a quick back recovery. But I can't judge Walsh on this pick yet. To be honest, it's ridiculous to do so.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-12-2008 12:46 PM]

When I ask myself two questions:

(1) was he the best player available.

(2) did he fill our biggest need for the future.

it doesn't seem so ridiculous to criticize this pick in light of the fact that he was neither the best available, or filled our greatest need.

In regards to Roberson - Is this guy really worthy of a guaranteed contract?
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12/3/2008  1:02 PM
Posted by martin:

^I give an 'F' on this post.

Yeah... maybe a needs improvement?
Walsh has systematically changed the culture of the Knicks, made a gameplan for the future development of the club and has stuck to it. Best case scenario in the last month would be if Marbury played some minutes for the Knicks, showed some trade value and ended up off the roster via trade for contracts expiring before 2010. The fact that Marbury was entirely insulted and wouldn't cooperate with that plan in not unexpected or understandable... but if the guy wants to play, he should have suited up and played. If they are hung up over $3m, it is pretty silly, but I am not sure most fans care at this point whether the Marbury saga continue. This team is not built to win now, it is to be exciting with an eye towards 2010.
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12/3/2008  1:08 PM
Walsh has done just about everything perfectly. My only gripes are Roberson and Danillo(only because of his health issue).
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12/3/2008  1:21 PM
Can we send the rookie to the "D" league?
Besides the fact I disagree with almost everything you said at least learn the rules. Sending Gallo to the d league does not open a roster spot. You have 15 spots, thats all. 3 are inactive, if he is in the d league then you have 2 inactive.
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12/3/2008  1:26 PM
We were never, nor would we ever have been, offered a #1 pick for Crawford or Randolph. You have to GIVE AWAY #1 picks if you want other teams to absorb your long-term deals, not the other way around.

[Edited by - kam77 on 12-03-2008 1:26 PM]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/3/2008  1:27 PM
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Marbury - I'll give him an 'F' on this one as it should have been handled before the season started which would have opened up a roster spot for a young bench player, preferably a Guard

Roberson - I'll give him an 'F' on this one as this guy is not an NBA player and never will be. What a waste of a guaranteed contract and a desperately needed roster spot.

Gallinari - I'll give him an 'F' on this one as this is looking to be a bust. There were better players available, ones that would fit our needs now and for the future. What a waste of a first round draft pick. Seeing him sitting on the bench makes me sick. He should have been sent to the 'D' league to free a roster spot.

Balkman - I'll give him an 'D' for this one. As of today we have gotten absolutely nothing out of this trade. We sent him, and cash, to the Nuggets for two players that we cut. Hopefully we'll get something of value from the 2nd round draft pick in 2010 which is the only reason I'm not giving him an 'F' for this salary dump.

Crawford - I'll give him a 'B' for this trade. Harrington is my kind of player - he has range, he can create and he plays defense - and he helps our salary cap situation for the 2010 season. I would have given Walsh an for this move had he not done the Randolf/Collins deal on the same day. He also should have gotten at least a second round pick on this trade.

Randolf - I'll give a 'D' for this trade. While I'm glad we were able to move Randolf's contract, we could have gotten more for such a productive player than what we got. There was no reason to rush on this. Also, the timing was very bad and left us short of healthy bodies. A little patience and we could have gotten more than Tim Thomas in this deal. I would have walked on this one. Hopefully Mobley won't drop dead on the court and can become a productive addition. I still give him a 'D' on this as I would have waited for a better deal that would have included a draft pick since it doesn't look as if we are interested in any contract that extends pasts 2010.

Curry - I'll give a 'C' on this one. If anybody deserved harsh treatment, it was Curry. Hopefully Coach and GM are on the same page on this one - PLAY HIM/TRADE HIM. If MDA doesn't give him minutes, I'll change this grade to an 'F' for another wasted trading chip for a GOOD player who fits this system.

James - I'll give a 'C' on this one. Hopefully this will be resolved this mont. If it drags on, I'll change this grade to an 'F'.

Lee - I would give him a 'C' on this one. He still is what he was last year. They probably could have given him a new contract which could help his trade value. As it stands, I'm not sure what his status on this team is. Is he part of the future or a trade chip to unload another player. Will he expire and move on or force us to give him more to keep him than we would have had to if we had resolved this in October. His inaction on this one might come back to bite him in the arse, in which case I'll change this grade to an 'F'.

Nate - I'll give this one an 'F' as we are short on guards and he should be kept. If we had re-signed him in Octoberwe could control the situation instead of having another team set his value.

Opinion is opinion. And as any opinion it is valid.
My problem with this all ratings is that we are looking back after things already get into clear. How we were looking before when the decisions were made?
Do you really think that Walsh (or any GM for this matter) has a crystal ball to see the future?
Another problem I have with the motion that everything WILL go our way. Zack and Jamal would stay healthy and hot, Steph will start bolling, Eddy will lose weight, etc.
I think Walsh did the safest possible guessing and he was right about 70%.
You can try to be perfect gambler (like Isiah) and where you will end up?






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12/3/2008  1:28 PM
Lets wait until at least the trade deadline to judge Walsh. I think he's made some bad moves and some good ones. But he's still an incomplete until we see more.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/3/2008  1:38 PM
I know he was only here for a little bit, but it is Randolph. I mean, if this was a middle school paper you couldn't get any higher than a C just because of that.
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Posted by kam77:

Lets wait until at least the trade deadline to judge Walsh. I think he's made some bad moves and some good ones. But he's still an incomplete until we see more.

It's frustrating that we could of won that game last night, controlled it for three quarters but let it slip away at the end. That would have been a good win for us. How can we compete against teams with fresh legs. Their second teams kills us. That loss really sucked. Sorry if I'm a little pissed off today, but that would have looked good in the win column. Our guys deserved a win. They played hard and lost only because of things that are out of their control.
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Why get worked up over Roberson and Gallinari? Roberson was not supposed to get this much playing time and is making a very small salary. Signings of 11th and 12th men on the roster should not carry much weight when rating a GM. If it does, then you are probably overreacting.

As for Gallinari. Very frustrating. But giving this one any greater/worse than an incomplete is pretty silly. 19 year olds go to college all the time. Many young kids do nothing for their first two-three years and then shine enough during senior year to get drafted. They then go on to have long successful careers. College coaches don't give up on those 19 year olds that don't shine right away, so why do that to a 19 year old NBA rookie. I'm pretending the guy doesn't exist. From time to time I will pray for a quick back recovery. But I can't judge Walsh on this pick yet. To be honest, it's ridiculous to do so.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-12-2008 12:46 PM]

When I ask myself two questions:

(1) was he the best player available.

(2) did he fill our biggest need for the future.

it doesn't seem so ridiculous to criticize this pick in light of the fact that he was neither the best available, or filled our greatest need.

In regards to Roberson - Is this guy really worthy of a guaranteed contract?

Definitely okay to question the pick if you wanted someone else. Definitely okay to have doubts about Gallinari. But I think sometimes you have to take a step back from your own personal doubts and opinions and not state them as fact. In your assessment of Gallinari you are assuming he is a bust when in reality his career is just getting started. Again, okay to question. Okay to say I would have picked someone else. I just personally think it's silly to make a final judgement on that one. Giving a grade of F for any rookie in this draft is ridiculous. Again, how many 19 year olds in college give you nothing for 2 years and then become top draft picks? Happens all the time. It happens so often that you would think that everyone would learn from it by now.

I do disagree with the idea of drafting based on current need. Good teams do that. Teams looking to take it to the next level do that. Teams that won 23 games pick who they think is the best player available. Bad teams picking on need, gets you Channing Frye.
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Why get worked up over Roberson and Gallinari? Roberson was not supposed to get this much playing time and is making a very small salary. Signings of 11th and 12th men on the roster should not carry much weight when rating a GM. If it does, then you are probably overreacting.

As for Gallinari. Very frustrating. But giving this one any greater/worse than an incomplete is pretty silly. 19 year olds go to college all the time. Many young kids do nothing for their first two-three years and then shine enough during senior year to get drafted. They then go on to have long successful careers. College coaches don't give up on those 19 year olds that don't shine right away, so why do that to a 19 year old NBA rookie. I'm pretending the guy doesn't exist. From time to time I will pray for a quick back recovery. But I can't judge Walsh on this pick yet. To be honest, it's ridiculous to do so.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-12-2008 12:46 PM]

When I ask myself two questions:

(1) was he the best player available.

(2) did he fill our biggest need for the future.

it doesn't seem so ridiculous to criticize this pick in light of the fact that he was neither the best available, or filled our greatest need.

In regards to Roberson - Is this guy really worthy of a guaranteed contract?

Definitely okay to question the pick if you wanted someone else. Definitely okay to have doubts about Gallinari. But I think sometimes you have to take a step back from your own personal doubts and opinions and not state them as fact. In your assessment of Gallinari you are assuming he is a bust when in reality his career is just getting started. Again, okay to question. Okay to say I would have picked someone else. I just personally think it's silly to make a final judgement on that one. Giving a grade of F for any rookie in this draft is ridiculous. Again, how many 19 year olds in college give you nothing for 2 years and then become top draft picks? Happens all the time. It happens so often that you would think that everyone would learn from it by now.

I do disagree with the idea of drafting based on current need. Good teams do that. Teams looking to take it to the next level do that. Teams that won 23 games pick who they think is the best player available. Bad teams picking on need, gets you Channing Frye.


Hard to argue that Bip. I'll crawl back into my hole now. See ya groundhogs day twenty ten.
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Why get worked up over Roberson and Gallinari? Roberson was not supposed to get this much playing time and is making a very small salary. Signings of 11th and 12th men on the roster should not carry much weight when rating a GM. If it does, then you are probably overreacting.

As for Gallinari. Very frustrating. But giving this one any greater/worse than an incomplete is pretty silly. 19 year olds go to college all the time. Many young kids do nothing for their first two-three years and then shine enough during senior year to get drafted. They then go on to have long successful careers. College coaches don't give up on those 19 year olds that don't shine right away, so why do that to a 19 year old NBA rookie. I'm pretending the guy doesn't exist. From time to time I will pray for a quick back recovery. But I can't judge Walsh on this pick yet. To be honest, it's ridiculous to do so.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-12-2008 12:46 PM]

When I ask myself two questions:

(1) was he the best player available.

(2) did he fill our biggest need for the future.

it doesn't seem so ridiculous to criticize this pick in light of the fact that he was neither the best available, or filled our greatest need.

In regards to Roberson - Is this guy really worthy of a guaranteed contract?

Definitely okay to question the pick if you wanted someone else. Definitely okay to have doubts about Gallinari. But I think sometimes you have to take a step back from your own personal doubts and opinions and not state them as fact. In your assessment of Gallinari you are assuming he is a bust when in reality his career is just getting started. Again, okay to question. Okay to say I would have picked someone else. I just personally think it's silly to make a final judgement on that one. Giving a grade of F for any rookie in this draft is ridiculous. Again, how many 19 year olds in college give you nothing for 2 years and then become top draft picks? Happens all the time. It happens so often that you would think that everyone would learn from it by now.

I do disagree with the idea of drafting based on current need. Good teams do that. Teams looking to take it to the next level do that. Teams that won 23 games pick who they think is the best player available. Bad teams picking on need, gets you Channing Frye.


Hard to argue that Bip. I'll crawl back into my hole now. See ya groundhogs day twenty ten.

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[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-12-2008 2:51 PM]
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This one's for you Bip
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This one's for you Bip


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